funny how Itachi is stronger than most kages of history

[Grammar Nazi]

think about the time it takes to errect susano and then go to stab with totsuka.. by this time gaara can make the distance... also ur assuming that that itachi and gaara are gonna start right next to each other? this would be a stupid assumption...

and just because u doubt sand can block it doesnt mean it cant block it.. but i wont build on this since we dont know much about totsuka blade and its peircing/cutting ability

Yasaka Magama is a long range attack and also the most powerful move in Itachi's arsenal(as he himself said). It should be powerful enough to break Gaara's sand defence.

When Gaara Manipulates his sands to attack Itachi, he has to look at him/focus at him. Even a simple hand gesture can create a crow clone genjutsu. Distance won't be a factor here since Itachi's Genjutsu can work through users vision. (Naruto got caught even when he was hiding behind a tree during the time itachi transplanted the KA to Naruto).

Gaara's only advantage is the fact that he can manipulate sand from right under susanoo so yata mirror and susanoo would be ineffective against Gaara's sand. However, without Shukaku inside of him, Gaara has no chance of escaping genjutsu.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

your thread was actually fair and wasn't fanboish or delusional

However, you can't expect anything less from a ms uchiha.
I mean look at Madara how he can tank all 5 kages at once.

This thread isn't fanboish? I can only laugh to that nonsense.As for MS Madara tanking 5 kages;that's stupidity at it's finest.EMS Madara tank 5 kages with a rinnegan and Hashirama's powers.The majority of the jutsus Madara used were Hashirama's jutsus including the jutsu he used to nearly finish off the kages so comparing Edo Madara to Itachi is stupid.Unless Itachi has Hashirama's abilities which Itachi doesn't have

 

[blazekev90]

I can't believe I am speaking on behalf of the Itachi fanboys but Itachi outclasses Gaara by a nose in the intelligence department. The fact remains- Itachi's brain is his most dangerous weapon.

Itachi's analytical skills are deadly and he could formulate a plan to beat Nagato's CT in a matter of second. The entire fight against Kabuto was all part of his plan for izanami activation. Tobi found him formidable not just for his powers but because of his intelligence.
It would take Itachi only a few seconds to analyze Gaara with his sharingan and after that Yasaka Magatama would do the rest. That is if Gaara can find a counter to Itachi's hand/eye genjutsu.

I don't think Gaara stands any chance at all.

1) let's not let hype overshadow what has been displayed,
2) itachi figured out CT after naruto informed him of his previous encounter with CT.also, everything was getting sucked into a giant ball, didn't know it took a genius to figure that out
3) don't get intelligence confused with knowledge of his clans history/ability. Itachi's intelligence falls onto that. He was aware of that ability, how how was intelligence used in catching Kabuto in Iz???
4) yet Tobi was always two steps ahead of him.

That's an assumption, garra would vert well read/analysis him.

You might want to re-read Garra vs Mizukage if you think his intelligence is anything but superior or at least equal to Itachi's

Also early young Garra who Sasuke said was as sneaky as Kakshi. This was part 1 child Garra

 

[xcoyote]

Yasaka Magama is a long range attack and also the most powerful move in Itachi's arsenal(as he himself said). It should be powerful enough to break Gaara's sand defence.

When Gaara Manipulates his sands to attack Itachi, he has to look at him/focus at him. Even a simple hand gesture can create a crow clone genjutsu. Distance won't be a factor here since Itachi's Genjutsu can work through users vision. (Naruto got caught even when he was hiding behind a tree during the time itachi transplanted the KA to Naruto).

Gaara's only advantage is the fact that he can manipulate sand from right under susanoo so yata mirror and susanoo would be ineffective against Gaara's sand. However, without Shukaku inside of him, Gaara has no chance of escaping genjutsu.

itachis Long range attack considered to be the strongest,can i have a scan that shows its destructive capacity?
I already countered Itachis genjutsu which is Gaaras Third Eye so he can avoid eye contact.
Gaaras Sand blocked Deidara's C3 so its quite durable.

 

[Grammar Nazi]

This thread isn't fanboish? I can only laugh to that nonsense.As for MS Madara tanking 5 kages;that's stupidity at it's finest.EMS Madara tank 5 kages with a rinnegan and Hashirama's powers.The majority of the jutsus Madara used were Hashirama's jutsus including the jutsu he used to nearly finish off the kages so comparing Edo Madara to Itachi is stupid.Unless Itachi has Hashirama's abilities which Itachi doesn't have

5 kage were helpless in front of perfect Susanoo and that's EMS Madara's own power.(No hashi power/rinnegan)

 

[Lucidus]

Yasaka Magama is a long range attack and also the most powerful move in Itachi's arsenal(as he himself said). It should be powerful enough to break Gaara's sand defence.

When Gaara Manipulates his sands to attack Itachi, he has to look at him/focus at him. Even a simple hand gesture can create a crow clone genjutsu. Distance won't be a factor here since Itachi's Genjutsu can work through users vision. (Naruto got caught even when he was hiding behind a tree during the time itachi transplanted the KA to Naruto).

Gaara's only advantage is the fact that he can manipulate sand from right under susanoo so yata mirror and susanoo would be ineffective against Gaara's sand. However, without Shukaku inside of him, Gaara has no chance of escaping genjutsu.

yasaka magatam is not a clear win.. one move does not mean u can win.. and there is no guarantee that it can penetrate gaara's sand which even amatersu couldnt burn through... im not saying that gaara can deffinetly win either btw im just saying he has a better chance than the OP originally thought...

also what u said abotu genjutsu u should bare in mind that gaara does not actually have to look at the oponent as shown when he went against Rock lee ... and being at a good distance away noticing small hand gestures arent easy.. i should also point out the use of the 3rd eye is another effective way to avoid it ....

also dont forget gaara's ability to change the battlefeild to a desert.. giving him a clear advantage... burying itachi beneath the sand... susano might help him against this but again like u have said urself gaara's sand cant get to him from underneath..

5 kage were helpless in front of perfect Susanoo and that's EMS Madara's own power.(No hashi power/rinnegan)

u shouldnt compare EMS EDO madara to MS itachi...

Madara would have had a lot more trouble than he did if he wasnt edo .. also itachi doesnt have perfect susano on the same scale as madara nor does he have the chakra

 

[blazekev90]

Yasaka Magama is a long range attack and also the most powerful move in Itachi's arsenal(as he himself said). It should be powerful enough to break Gaara's sand defence.

When Gaara Manipulates his sands to attack Itachi, he has to look at him/focus at him. Even a simple hand gesture can create a crow clone genjutsu. Distance won't be a factor here since Itachi's Genjutsu can work through users vision. (Naruto got caught even when he was hiding behind a tree during the time itachi transplanted the KA to Naruto).

Gaara's only advantage is the fact that he can manipulate sand from right under susanoo so yata mirror and susanoo would be ineffective against Gaara's sand. However, without Shukaku inside of him, Gaara has no chance of escaping genjutsu.

Thoss genjutst are mostly closs range attacks. Also, garra has a third eye which he has been shown to use very effectively at long distance range. He too displayed this against Mizukage, when defening not for himself but for Onoki.

Clearly you underestimate Garra, his intelligence and his abilities

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

The bold part: you don't get it, do you? Tell everybody the ways of countering rasengan or killing minato, if you are so good at explanations. Fine, let minato with his business. Now, give me some explanations on the points i mentioned. Oh, i forgot. You can't do it, can you? Because if you could, you would've given them before writing some random things about minato, who wasn't even the subject of the discussion.
Huh, you say you're no itachi fanboy. Look and analyse this thread a bit and see how you cover itachi on everything and defend him, while trying to throw some "good" arguments at us XD

despite the popular beliefe Minato is not MUCH faster than Itachi who kept up with kcm in fact
and he has to fight without looking into his eyes which makes it even more difficult
also Itachi can use clones and since Minato is not a sensor or a sharingan user he can't make difference

...he can finish Minato off with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu
I'm sure it's not that simple to avoid looking into Itachi's
it will reduce Minato's speed and Itachi will amaterasu him

As if Itachi shows up his totsuka blade; or susanoo at that matter at the first moments of the fights? What is this "totsuka gg" arguement; Gaara infact stands a good chance.

if Gaara starts the match with flying away like a ***** why can't Itachi instant-Totsuka-stab him?
he activated Susanoo in seconds when he faced Kirin

think about the time it takes to errect susano and then go to stab with totsuka.. by this time gaara can make the distance... also ur assuming that that itachi and gaara are gonna start right next to each other? this would be a stupid assumption...

and just because u doubt sand can block it doesnt mean it cant block it.. but i wont build on this since we dont know much about totsuka blade and its peircing/cutting ability

doesn't matter since if Gaara doesn't start the match with making an absolute defence and getting in the air he definatly gets stomped


Gaara's sand never blocked anything >>> Totsuka so saying that Itachi cannot pierce trought it is more assumptionish than stating that it can

 

[xcoyote]

despite the popular beliefe Minato is not MUCH faster than Itachi who kept up with kcm in fact
and he has to fight without looking into his eyes which makes it even more difficult
also Itachi can use clones and since Minato is not a sensor or a sharingan user he can't make difference

...he can finish Minato off with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu
I'm sure it's not that simple to avoid looking into Itachi's
it will reduce Minato's speed and Itachi will amaterasu him

if Gaara starts the match with flying away like a ***** why can't Itachi instant-Totsuka-stab him?
he activated Susanoo in seconds when he faced Kirin


doesn't matter since if Gaara doesn't start the match with making an absolute defence and getting in the air he definatly gets stomped


Gaara's sand never blocked anything >>> Totsuka so saying that Itachi cannot pierce trought it is more assumptionish than stating that it can

blocked Deidara C3 go home now and read dat manga

 

[End of Days]

Yasaka Magama is a long range attack and also the most powerful move in Itachi's arsenal(as he himself said). It should be powerful enough to break Gaara's sand defence.

gaara is not helpless against yasaka magatama, completely blocking it is not necessary, deflecting it from its original path so that it doesnt hit gaara is enough

 

[paratise]

if Gaara starts the match with flying away like a ***** why can't Itachi instant-Totsuka-stab him?
he activated Susanoo in seconds when he faced Kirin

Gaara made sand clouds and saved both Lee and himself in the fight with Kimimaro from bone forest which was pretty fast.
I am just saying it is not Itachi's thing that showing up totsuka blade or susanoo against an opponent at the first call of the fight.

 

[Kurome]

despite the popular beliefe Minato is not MUCH faster than Itachi who kept up with kcm in fact
and he has to fight without looking into his eyes which makes it even more difficult
also Itachi can use clones and since Minato is not a sensor or a sharingan user he can't make difference

...he can finish Minato off with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu
I'm sure it's not that simple to avoid looking into Itachi's
it will reduce Minato's speed and Itachi will amaterasu him

if Gaara starts the match with flying away like a ***** why can't Itachi instant-Totsuka-stab him?
he activated Susanoo in seconds when he faced Kirin


doesn't matter since if Gaara doesn't start the match with making an absolute defence and getting in the air he definatly gets stomped


Gaara's sand never blocked anything >>> Totsuka so saying that Itachi cannot pierce trought it is more assumptionish than stating that it can

Go read the manga now. Minato IS A SENSOR, for crying out loud...:vincent:!

 

[Grammar Nazi]

1) let's not let hype overshadow what has been displayed,
2) itachi figured out CT after naruto informed him of his previous encounter with CT.also, everything was getting sucked into a giant ball, didn't know it took a genius to figure that out
3) don't get intelligence confused with knowledge of his clans history/ability. Itachi's intelligence falls onto that. He was aware of that ability, how how was intelligence used in catching Kabuto in Iz???
4) yet Tobi was always two steps ahead of him.

That's an assumption, garra would vert well read/analysis him.

You might want to re-read Garra vs Mizukage if you think his intelligence is anything but superior or at least equal to Itachi's

Itachi's motto is being analytical and finding the weakness behind any jutsu that would also include Gaara's defence. However, I agree Gaara's intelligent as well albeit not Itachi/Minato level but that's just my opinion.

Anywho battle wise, even ordinary sharingan should help Itachi predict Gaara's sand movements. And that gives Itachi a huge advantage since all of Gaara's offense depends on his sand. Remember all it takes is one fall move and Gaara would be under his genjutsu. Gaara doesn't have genjutsu defences that DSM Kabuto did. I am having hard time imaging Gaara can win this without establishing a single eye contact with Itachi or even Itachi's hands. Third eye takes a lot of time to be made and also Gaara can't move while he uses the third eye.
Gaara might have stood a chance if he still had the Shukaku in him but that's not the case anymore.

Also early young Garra who Sasuke said was as sneaky as Kakshi. This was part 1 child Garra

He said that because Gaara moved behind him without making a sound. That's because Gaara could turn his body into sand particles and move. That wouldn't be very helpful in a battle against a foe with sharingan.

 

[Lucidus]

despite the popular beliefe Minato is not MUCH faster than Itachi who kept up with kcm in fact
and he has to fight without looking into his eyes which makes it even more difficult
also Itachi can use clones and since Minato is not a sensor or a sharingan user he can't make difference

...he can finish Minato off with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu
I'm sure it's not that simple to avoid looking into Itachi's
it will reduce Minato's speed and Itachi will amaterasu him

if Gaara starts the match with flying away like a ***** why can't Itachi instant-Totsuka-stab him?
he activated Susanoo in seconds when he faced Kirin


doesn't matter since if Gaara doesn't start the match with making an absolute defence and getting in the air he definatly gets stomped


Gaara's sand never blocked anything >>> Totsuka so saying that Itachi cannot pierce trought it is more assumptionish than stating that it can

Gaara's sand is the best defence in the manga... totsuka blade hasnt been shown much and everything he has stabbed has been made of flesh pretty much... not that hard to stab through... so saying it can easily penetrate gaara's sand is also an assumption which is why i said i wouldnt build on that fact...

also gaara getting enough distance from itachi isnt that hard ... since his mobility in susano isnt great... not to mention gaara on his sand cloud isnt as slow as people think he has the speed enough to get out of range... but this could also be debatable depending on the starting distance between the 2... its highly unlikely they both start right next to each other...

Also dont even get me started on minato ive already said minato can easily end it in a stalemate if nessersary... his techs are deadly and his sealing jutsu's are the most deadly thing about him... there is much more to minato than we know... also ur saying itachi is as fast as minato ? just because he kept up with KCM .... minato > KCM in speed.... and dont forget FTG which is instant and nothing is faster than instant...

 

[blazekev90]

totsuka blade has NO speed feat. We can't assume it's fast, as the two opponents it has hit had no intentions in avoiding the attack. Unlike Garra, who's sand has proven to be very fast and dense, let alone disposable.

Therefore, hoping the Itachi stabs Garra before he takes flight is rather assumption and quite invalid

 

[Wave.]

It isn't as easy you make it out to be :|

Gaara, Muu, Onoki could give Itachi a run for his money.

 

[Grammar Nazi]

yasaka magatam is not a clear win.. one move does not mean u can win.. and there is no guarantee that it can penetrate gaara's sand which even amatersu couldnt burn through... im not saying that gaara can deffinetly win either btw im just saying he has a better chance than the OP originally thought...

also what u said abotu genjutsu u should bare in mind that gaara does not actually have to look at the oponent as shown when he went against Rock lee ... and being at a good distance away noticing small hand gestures arent easy.. i should also point out the use of the 3rd eye is another effective way to avoid it ....

also dont forget gaara's ability to change the battlefeild to a desert.. giving him a clear advantage... burying itachi beneath the sand... susano might help him against this but again like u have said urself gaara's sand cant get to him from underneath..

Please refer to my previous post.

u shouldnt compare EMS EDO madara to MS itachi...

Madara would have had a lot more trouble than he did if he wasnt edo .. also itachi doesnt have perfect susano on the same scale as madara nor does he have the chakra

If ems user can take on 5 kages, a formidable ms user can at least beat them 1on 1. That was my logic.
Perfect Susanoo had the kages helpless and alive EMS Madara could use it without any problems.

 

[blazekev90]

Itachi's motto is being analytical and finding the weakness behind any jutsu that would also include Gaara's defence. However, I agree Gaara's intelligent as well albeit not Itachi/Minato level but that's just my opinion.

Anywho battle wise, even ordinary sharingan should help Itachi predict Gaara's sand movements. And that gives Itachi a huge advantage. Remember all it takes is one fall move and Gaara would be under his genjutsu. Gaara doesn't have genjutsu defences that DSM Kabuto did. I am having hard time imaging Gaara can win this without establishing a single eye contact with Itachi or even Itachi's hands. Third eye takes a lot of time to be made and also Gaara can't move while he uses the third eye.
Gaara might have stood a chance if he still had the Shukaku in him but that's not the case anymore.



He said that because Gaara moved behind him without making a sound. That's because Gaara could turn his body into sand particles and move. That wouldn't be very helpful in a battle against a foe with sharingan.

Again you say Garra's intelligence isn't on par with Itachi and Minato. Who so?? I'm tired of hype fooling people into what to believe. When have they shown superior intelligence? ???

Yes, i know Itachi analyzes his fights. Has Garra not done the same in every fight???

Being able to predict ones movement and having the means to avoid this are two different things.

Garra jas used sand on Madara and Sasuke, have they predicted
all his attacks? Has he not caught them before?

Genjutsu hasn't been shown to be a long range attack. 95% of the time with intent to kill Garra has his instance set or he uses clones. This has too been shown in the manga. Even Kakshi used a clone on Itachi, he tried putting it in genjutsu and than stated" no wonder you didn't fall to my genjutsu" or something along those lines

 

[Lucidus]

Please refer to my previous post.




If ems user can take on 5 kages, a formidable ms user can at least beat them 1on 1. That was my logic.
Perfect Susanoo had the kages helpless and alive EMS Madara could use it without any problems.

thats quite bad logic to use... no offence intended its just even if they both use the sharingan there abilities are very different .. not to mention 1 if edo so any damage that was done to him he didnt feel anyways and just regenerated...

also i have seen ur last post and u should see my last post aswell

Anyways my initial point was that the kages wouldnt go down as easy as the OP said most battles would go both ways...

and my other point was Gaara would deffinetly not go down easy since he has everything needed to be able to win... of course he might not be able to win every time but there is a good chance he can and the same goes for itachi ...

 

[grizzlyshree]

despite the popular beliefe Minato is not MUCH faster than Itachi who kept up with kcm in fact
and he has to fight without looking into his eyes which makes it even more difficult
also Itachi can use clones and since Minato is not a sensor or a sharingan user he can't make difference

...he can finish Minato off with Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu
I'm sure it's not that simple to avoid looking into Itachi's
it will reduce Minato's speed and Itachi will amaterasu him

if Gaara starts the match with flying away like a ***** why can't Itachi instant-Totsuka-stab him?
he activated Susanoo in seconds when he faced Kirin


doesn't matter since if Gaara doesn't start the match with making an absolute defence and getting in the air he definatly gets stomped


Gaara's sand never blocked anything >>> Totsuka so saying that Itachi cannot pierce trought it is more assumptionish than stating that it can

Minato is hte fastest ninja dude! he is as fast as KCM naruto.