[Discussion] Fu and Torune better then whole team 7 ???

[UnknowNinjaName]

what do you think about their strategy? did they try their best to defeat tobi?

they just got his arm .... but it looks like that arm was not his it looks more fake then real one...

anyone have some new theorys how he uses that invisiblity power and teleportation...

tobi has weaknesses its when he attacks he can get in trap cuz when he attacks he dosent use invisibility ...

 

[cryhwks]

there is no way these guy's are better then Naruto,Sasuke,Sakura,Kakashi together Naruto in sage mode cant really be hurt because how fast he heals- Sasuke has Susano and his other MS powers- Sakura she can do just about everything Tsunade can do- Kakashi is the next Hokage

 

[twistedlink]

Theyre better than

Kakashi, Yamato, Naruto, Sakura, Kiba, Hinata, Shino all together.

And none of this "Kakashi has really developed since then" rubbish, he's stayed virtually the same since that incident if you consider the time scales pains invasion is only weeks, 2 months max after Itachis death

 

[chopsy16]

Well when fighting team 7 Madara was all in defensive mode.. meaning he was not willing to attack anyone, just avoiding their attacks.. trying to delay them so they won't be able to reach sasuke... he is basically untouchable if he just stays in defensive mode

When he fought Fuu and Torune he was attacking and defending.. so his approach was different.. if you see chapter 475.. he was sucking Torune into his dimensional space when his arm got infected.. was he only in defensive mode Fuu and Torune or entire ROOT wudn't have been able to touch him..

So you cannot compare Team 7 to Fuu & Torune

 

[twistedlink]

Well when fighting team 7 Madara was all in defensive mode.. meaning he was not willing to attack anyone, just avoiding their attacks.. trying to delay them so they won't be able to reach sasuke... he is basically untouchable if he just stays in defensive mode

When he fought Fuu and Torune he was attacking and defending.. so his approach was different.. if you see chapter 475.. he was sucking Torune into his dimensional space when his arm got infected.. was he only in defensive mode Fuu and Torune or entire ROOT wudn't have been able to touch him..

So you cannot compare Team 7 to Fuu & Torune

so when madara attacks he becomes vulnerable.

Thats incredibly gay.

end of.

The whole point of attacking is to put pressure on the enemy, not make yourself vulnerable.

And surely he can switch between offensive and defensive fairly fast?

 

[chopsy16]

so when madara attacks he becomes vulnerable.

Thats incredibly gay.

end of.

The whole point of attacking is to put pressure on the enemy, not make yourself vulnerable.

And surely he can switch between offensive and defensive fairly fast?

Actually i thought Madara was pretty slick.. he got rid of Fuu and Torune in like a minute.. they were no match for him.

 

[twistedlink]

Yeah but he becomes vulnerable.

It sucks, almost every other ninja becomes less vulnerable during attacking.

Its like the 4th hokage said to kakashi when he was young-the chidori leaves him open to attack, so its incomplete and to never use it again.

Same principle, hes leader of akatsuki, madara no less too and is making himself vulnerable during an attack.

 

[Blizzard589]

Yeah but he becomes vulnerable.

It sucks, almost every other ninja becomes less vulnerable during attacking.

Its like the 4th hokage said to kakashi when he was young-the chidori leaves him open to attack, so its incomplete and to never use it again.

Same principle, hes leader of akatsuki, madara no less too and is making himself vulnerable during an attack.

He becomes just as vulnerable as every one else. What, did you want him to be completely invincible? Most ninja are quite vulnerable to being hit at all times (unless they have a bijuu cloak or a lightning armor or a Susanoo or something). Madara is only vulnerable when he is attacking. Thats a lot better off than most. When he attacks he's still putting pressure on them its just he's not invincible anymore.

 

[Jokey]

There is no strategy He is unDefeatef ...

 

[leafeater]

Theyre better than

Kakashi, Yamato, Naruto, Sakura, Kiba, Hinata, Shino all together.

And none of this "Kakashi has really developed since then" rubbish, he's stayed virtually the same since that incident if you consider the time scales pains invasion is only weeks, 2 months max after Itachis death

I'm sorry but there's no way I can agree with this. Sage mode Naruto would wipe the floor with them. Combining all of them? I respect you on the forum, but this statement is too much for me. Kiba, Hinata, and Shino are out of their league. If you take most pairs of Yamato, Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura, then there's no way they lose out to these two. I say this despite how impressive ROOT is.

-Yamato, Kakashi
-Yamato, Naruto
-Yamato, Sakura
-Kakashi, Naruto
-Kakashi, Sakura
-Naruto, Sakura

I'm not denying the incredibly impressive performance of ROOT so far. In fact, Danzou has weakened Konoha by taking so many of the best of Konoha, and he has not used them in battle to save Konoha, at least against Nagato. Plus that one kid with Danzou is the only Aburame with that fungus parasite, so the rest of the clan loses out. Thus Konoha is weaker.

I understand where you're trying to go. Nice post as usual.

 

[Mighty Curtain Messiah]

It's logical that when you attack you become more vulnerable. because you focus on the attaack.. not on the defence.. so.. yeah. I don't see what's the deal here Twistedlink?

 

[Valkyria]

Well when fighting team 7 Madara was all in defensive mode.. meaning he was not willing to attack anyone, just avoiding their attacks.. trying to delay them so they won't be able to reach sasuke... he is basically untouchable if he just stays in defensive mode

When he fought Fuu and Torune he was attacking and defending.. so his approach was different.. if you see chapter 475.. he was sucking Torune into his dimensional space when his arm got infected.. was he only in defensive mode Fuu and Torune or entire ROOT wudn't have been able to touch him..

So you cannot compare Team 7 to Fuu & Torune

Yeah pretty much this^

Team 7+ would have made the same deduction if Madara was taking them seriously.

 

[twistedlink]

It's logical that when you attack you become more vulnerable. because you focus on the attaack.. not on the defence.. so.. yeah. I don't see what's the deal here Twistedlink?

When Kisame went fuse mode and started attackng Bee, was he more or less vulnerable?

Put it this way when Kisame was simply defending he got skimmed with a pencil bullet and got knocked down and blasted.

As soon as he started attacking-Bee had to start moving.

Its why the phrase "The best form of defence is offense"

Anyone who plays chess will understand that.

Defensive moves in chess are also known as Last resort moves, being pushed back, getting less ground.

Attacks are not supposed to make you vulnerable, if they do, then the attack is incomplete or is compensated by complete ownage.

Again, as Minato told Kakashi, kakashis attack leaves him vulnerable-therefore he shouldn't use it until he perfects it so he no longer becomes vulnerable while using it.

Gaara while attacking deidara did not become more vulnerable
Pain attacking Jiraiya did not become more vulnerable

Almost all attacks in the Naruto series are to get the upper hand in a fight, tobi is backwards, as soon as he starts fighting he becomes a punching bag.

Sure he won, and he did it seriously fast, but id personally prefer there to be a trick to his see-through jutsu than it turning on when defending and turning off when attacking.

A boxer who keeps is hands by his head the entire fight is destined to lose
A boxer who defends correctly and only attacks when defence is not required is destined to win.


I'm not coming out with any new fangled weirdness here.

The phrase "offence is the best form of defence" didn't come from nowhere, it is apparent in almost all martial arts, sports, war strategies, and games.

 

[Dtoxxdasavvyone]

Fu and Torrune are formiddable but against team 7 it would be their deaths.

Team 7 consists of Kakashi or Yamato as squad leader accompanied by Naruto, Sakura, and Sai. The advantage is in the numbers and the fact that 7 has fought along with eachother just as much as Fu and Torrune so their team work would be just as flawless. Not anly that but Sai might have knowledge of their skills and that could be another advantage. Two shinobi against the likes of sqaud 7 with either leader would spell disaster for the opposition, 7 is a strong sqaud that's not hard to determine and for the Fu and Torrun to be able to win they would have to have another member at least to have a little bit of a chance. Your talking about Sage mode Naruto Kakashi of the MS and Sakura the supreme medical Genius under the tutiledge of the most prestigess medical nin from the leaf in lady Tsunade, and Sai who we have to admitt is rediculously useful for a number of circumstances one of which is the aerial assault he could provide while others were attacking from the ground mid to long range. Its a no brainer main come on. Fu and Torrune are space cadets now no need to bring them up.

 

[Vergil..]

Fu and Torune would give some trouble but if its against the present team seven then they wont have any chance.
i say that kakashi and naruto are able to beat them

 

[Thirdwave]

I'm glad that Maadra took some damage shows that Kishi is keeping things "more realistic" in a sense.
I would have to say that Fu, and Torune would lose to Kakashi, and Naruto ~ Kakashi and Yamato ~ or Yamato, and Naruto.

 

[sasuke uchiha94]

Well when fighting team 7 Madara was all in defensive mode.. meaning he was not willing to attack anyone, just avoiding their attacks.. trying to delay them so they won't be able to reach sasuke... he is basically untouchable if he just stays in defensive mode

When he fought Fuu and Torune he was attacking and defending.. so his approach was different.. if you see chapter 475.. he was sucking Torune into his dimensional space when his arm got infected.. was he only in defensive mode Fuu and Torune or entire ROOT wudn't have been able to touch him..

So you cannot compare Team 7 to Fuu & Torune

I agree

 

[FlashKID124]

Well when fighting team 7 Madara was all in defensive mode.. meaning he was not willing to attack anyone, just avoiding their attacks.. trying to delay them so they won't be able to reach sasuke... he is basically untouchable if he just stays in defensive mode

When he fought Fuu and Torune he was attacking and defending.. so his approach was different.. if you see chapter 475.. he was sucking Torune into his dimensional space when his arm got infected.. was he only in defensive mode Fuu and Torune or entire ROOT wudn't have been able to touch him..

So you cannot compare Team 7 to Fuu & Torune

best response yet

 

[moneyezzz]

yes thy are tha hole team 7 plus more couldnt touch madara

 

[David Walker]

When Kisame went fuse mode and started attackng Bee, was he more or less vulnerable?

Put it this way when Kisame was simply defending he got skimmed with a pencil bullet and got knocked down and blasted.

As soon as he started attacking-Bee had to start moving.

Its why the phrase "The best form of defence is offense"

Anyone who plays chess will understand that.

Defensive moves in chess are also known as Last resort moves, being pushed back, getting less ground.

Attacks are not supposed to make you vulnerable, if they do, then the attack is incomplete or is compensated by complete ownage.

Again, as Minato told Kakashi, kakashis attack leaves him vulnerable-therefore he shouldn't use it until he perfects it so he no longer becomes vulnerable while using it.

Gaara while attacking deidara did not become more vulnerable
Pain attacking Jiraiya did not become more vulnerable

Almost all attacks in the Naruto series are to get the upper hand in a fight, tobi is backwards, as soon as he starts fighting he becomes a punching bag.

Sure he won, and he did it seriously fast, but id personally prefer there to be a trick to his see-through jutsu than it turning on when defending and turning off when attacking.

A boxer who keeps is hands by his head the entire fight is destined to lose
A boxer who defends correctly and only attacks when defence is not required is destined to win.


I'm not coming out with any new fangled weirdness here.

The phrase "offence is the best form of defence" didn't come from nowhere, it is apparent in almost all martial arts, sports, war strategies, and games.

most of that sounds like garbage to me mate. and i think ur going off on one...

with regards to the phrase "attack is the best form off defence"... its for general battle strategy not for the specifics a of a SINGULAR attack/decision.

the theory is based on the concept/ fact that you cannot forever defend. at some point you must attack in some form to gain victory but when you do you leave yourself open ...and btw every attack strategy/technique no matter how close to perfection it is. always leaves u slightly open. you referred to martial arts in ur point. well this is a karate black belt and taekwondo enthusiast telling you otherwise

chess games can be won by defending well. the winning move might be an attacking one. but the game itselfcan be won or lost by the quality of your defence

imo you cant use kisame as a general example of naruto fights due to the specifics of his sword...he attacks with it ... he gains his opp chakra... kinda obv that offense>def with kisame and that hes not going to turtle

also with regards to "As soon as he started attacking-Bee had to start moving." that movement is called defending, its not a bad thing

"Gaara while attacking deidara did not become more vulnerable" .. err...yes he did xd ... in actual fact the whole tactic of deidara was to exploit his attack and get gaara to take in some of his explosives into his protective shell..in this case lots of defending with a single attack > loads of attacks

"Pain attacking Jiraiya did not become more vulnerable " strange i seem to remember the J-man killing of three of them when they attacked him. jiraiya also discovered pains secrets. such as them being linked eyesight and being controlled by some1 else

"A boxer who defends correctly and only attacks when defence is not required is destined to win." - thats precisely what madara has done. attacked when the moment was oportune and defended the rest of the time