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[Darth AniCetuS]

be swung samehada

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i don't see why samehada would complain if it didn't absorb it.

Not what he said:

"first i change my chakra nature so its like an electrical current"

Its still chakra regardless of the nature change.

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Here naruto changes his chakra to the nature of wind but its still chakra.

Itachi's fireball was split in two by the huge wind pressure a large and bulky sword like Samehada would create but while doing so the sword itself comes in direct contact with the fire and that's what Samehada complained about and probably Bee not being concerned about using Samehada like that.

As Kakashi explained you change your chakra nature and then use it to give form to that chakra creating the jutsu.
Now lets take wood release for example, it involves combining both water natured chakra and earth nature chakra to create a the wood element. So once its created where is the chakra?

i think i proved by case that normal ninjutsu contains chakra.

A difference of opinion then cuz I am not convinced by your arguments

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Itachi's fireball was split in two by the huge wind pressure a large and bulky sword like Samehada would create but while doing so the sword itself comes in direct contact with the fire and that's what Samehada complained about and probably Bee not being concerned about using Samehada like that.

Wind inherently is weaker than fire. So it's illogical that a fireball that was shown ripping through earth is somehow cut in half by the mere side effect of of samehada being swung. There was 0 direct contact in either scan.

As Kakashi explained you change your chakra nature and then use it to give form to that chakra creating the jutsu.
Now lets take wood release for example, it involves combining both water natured chakra and earth nature chakra to create a the wood element. So once its created where is the chakra?

No he said he changes its nature so it's like a electric current
Then he says he changes its form into what he wants the already existing chakra to look like/behave.

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He likens a change in form to that of rasengan, and as we know rasengan despite being chakra in a specific form its still chakra.

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I don't know why you think changing the form of chakra stops it from being chakra when it says otherwise.
I don't know why you think changing the nature of chakra stops it from being chakra when it says otherwise.

IDK why you'd go to wood techs as if it already hasn't been explained:

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Combine the two chakra natures to create a new chakra nature then give said nature form. Spatial and elemental recomposition of chakra. At the end of the day its still chakra tho.

A difference of opinion then cuz I am not convinced by your arguments

i guess where at an impasse.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Wind inherently is weaker than fire. So it's illogical that a fireball that was shown ripping through earth is somehow cut in half by the mere side effect of of samehada being swung. There was 0 direct contact in either scan.

Wind style techniques are weaker than fire style but Bee didn't use any wind style technique there did he? Anyway he swung Samehada through the fire which cut the fireball in two and the force of the wind generated from the swing moved them apart.

No he said he changes its nature so it's like a electric current
Then he says he changes its form into what he wants the already existing chakra to look like/behave.

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He likens a change in form to that of rasengan, and as we know rasengan despite being chakra in a specific form its still chakra.

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I don't know why you think changing the form of chakra stops it from being chakra when it says otherwise.
I don't know why you think changing the nature of chakra stops it from being chakra when it says otherwise.

Well again at the end he said he must change his chakra form and again we know to what exactly. So its clearly saying he has to change his chakra's form on top of chakra nature. My understanding is that its only chakra up to the point he applies nature transformation to his chakra but change in form is where it stops being chakra.

IDK why you'd go to wood techs as if it already hasn't been explained:

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Combine the two chakra natures to create a new chakra nature then give said nature form. Spatial and elemental recomposition of chakra. At the end of the day its still chakra tho.

Didn't I say the same things about wood style? I simply brought it up to know your opinion about it.

@Bold That's per your understanding, to me its a combination of earth and water nature chakra to create an entirely new (form)element.

i guess where at an impasse.

I guess we are.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Wind style techniques are weaker than fire style but Bee didn't use any wind style technique there did he? Anyway he swung Samehada through the fire which cut the fireball in two and the force of the wind generated from the swing moved them apart.

wind in it of itself. Not just the techniques.
He swung
samehada absorbed part of it
Then proceeds to complain about it.


If said wind was strong enough to cut it in half then by all means samehada shouldn't complain because the same "wind" that protected them killer b and naruto logically would have protected it as well. if that were the the case. But its not.

Well again at the end he said he must change his chakra form and again we know to what exactly. So its clearly saying he has to change his chakra's form on top of chakra nature. My understanding is that its only chakra up to the point he applies nature transformation to his chakra but change in form is where it stops being chakra.

Thats where your understanding is flawed. Rasengan is a change in form but its still chakra.

Didn't I say the same things about wood style? I simply brought it up to know your opinion about it.

to which i explained its not a new form its a new nature. Then he gives said nature form via spatial recomposition. Yamato says that clearly.

@Bold That's per your understanding, to me its a combination of earth and water nature chakra to create an entirely new (form)element.

above

I guess we are.

Well there's no point continuing.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Wind style techniques are weaker than fire style but Bee didn't use any wind style technique there did he? Anyway he swung Samehada through the fire which cut the fireball in two and the force of the wind generated from the swing moved them apart.



Well again at the end he said he must change his chakra form and again we know to what exactly. So its clearly saying he has to change his chakra's form on top of chakra nature. My understanding is that its only chakra up to the point he applies nature transformation to his chakra but change in form is where it stops being chakra.



Didn't I say the same things about wood style? I simply brought it up to know your opinion about it.

@Bold That's per your understanding, to me its a combination of earth and water nature chakra to create an entirely new (form)element.



I guess we are.

Wouldn't Guy vs kisame prove that jutsu are still Chakra

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

wind in it of itself. Not just the techniques.
He swung
samehada absorbed part of it
Then proceeds to complain about it.

Don't see anything that implies Samehada absorbed anything. Not even any word for the absorb action.

If said wind was strong enough to cut it in half then by all means samehada shouldn't complain the same "wind" that protected them killer b and naruto logically would have protected it as well. if that were the the case. But its not.

Bee to felt hot but not as much as Samehada would've considering he was used to cut through the fireball while Bee and Naruto simply stood behind it. Obviously he complained for being used as kind of a shield.

Thats where your understanding is flawed. Rasengan is a change in form but its still chakra.

I find your's to be flawed, rasengan doesn't involve any change in Nature type and thus the change in form is still pure chakra. Techniques like chidori involves applying nature transformation and the said chakra is converted into that element type when the jutsu materializes.

to which i explained its not a new form its a new nature. Then he gives said nature form via spatial recomposition. Yamato says that clearly.

Which when used in a jutsu creates wood which is not chakra anymore.

Well there's no point continuing.

Yup. We're going in different directions.

Wouldn't Guy vs kisame prove that jutsu are still Chakra

Mind explaining.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Don't see anything that implies Samehada absorbed anything. Not even any word for the absorb action.



Bee to felt hot but not as much as Samehada would've considering he was used to cut through the fireball while Bee and Naruto simply stood behind it. Obviously he complained for being used as kind of a shield.

Be is not talking about himself, but about the blade. Samehada is complaining that the chakra according to b was hot. And we know b can do that because kisame already did it:

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I find your's to be flawed, rasengan doesn't involve any change in Nature type and thus the change in form is still pure chakra. Techniques like chidori involves applying nature transformation and the said chakra is converted into that element type when the jutsu materializes.

but we already cleared up that changing the nature doesn't stop it from being chakra. Yamato flat out calls it wind chakra in scans already posted.

Do you think rasenshuriken isn't chakra? it has a change in nature to wind and a change in form to that of a shuriken.

Which when used in a jutsu creates wood which is not chakra anymore.

but it still is tho.

Yup. We're going in different directions.

clearly.

Wouldn't Guy vs kisame prove that jutsu are still Chakra

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yep yep. It would indeed

Heres another example:

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[Darth AniCetuS]

Be is not talking about himself, but about the blade. Samehada is complaining that the chakra according to b was hot. And we know b can do that because kisame already did it:

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Can do what?

but we already cleared up that changing the nature doesn't stop it from being chakra. Yamato flat out calls it wind chakra in scans already posted.

Never said anything about applying nature transformation to chakra makes it some thing else. Its only after that chakra is used cast the jutsu it takes that element nature's form when it stops being chakra.

Do you think rasenshuriken isn't chakra? it has a change in nature to wind and a change in form to that of a shuriken.

Look, I've already said that there are chakra based techniques when I gave the example of the puppet master's chakra strings and there are even techniques that use chakra along with form manipulation at the same time. All I am trying to say here is that not all jutsu have chakra in them once they are used. And Rasenshuriken is a pure chakra based technique with nature transformation added to it.

but it still is tho.

Its not.

clearly.

Yup.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Can do what?

speak for samehada.



[/QUOTE]Never said anything about applying nature transformation to chakra makes it some thing else. Its only after that chakra is used cast the jutsu it takes that element nature's form when it stops being chakra.[/QUOTE] No it still remains chakra.

Look, I've already said that there are chakra based techniques when I gave the example of the puppet master's chakra strings and there are even techniques that use chakra along with form manipulation at the same time. All I am trying to say here is that not all jutsu have chakra in them once they are used. And Rasenshuriken is a pure chakra based technique with nature transformation added to it.

yes and like rasen shuriken while still using both nature and form it's STILL CHAKRA. Nothing you brought to the table disproves that. You're trying to split hairs but rasenshuriken is merely wind natured chakra given a specific form, same applies to raikiri. Lightning natured chakra given form. And as seen with rasengan(the pinnacle of form manipulation) Changing form does not stop it from being chakra.

Its not.

but it is.

Yup.

ok then stop replying.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

speak for samehada.

Ofc he can. It just doesn't prove anything you've been claiming.

No it still remains chakra.

I respect your opinion but I simply don't agree to them here.

yes and like rasen shuriken while still using both nature and form it's STILL CHAKRA. Nothing you brought to the table disproves that. You're trying to split hairs but rasenshuriken is merely wind natured chakra given a specific form, same applies to raikiri. Lightning natured chakra given form. And as seen with rasengan(the pinnacle of form manipulation) Changing form does not stop it from being chakra.

Have already said the same thing about the rasenshuriken.
@Bold I disagree.

but it is.

To you.

ok then stop replying.

Lol, alright.