But u r tho u said in one thread "A revolution is a civil change consisting of multiple people on the same page" taka is a group of ppl and ur saying no that's not right it has to be a village.., but u just said multiple ppl that can range from 3- to however many so please stop hating on sasuke the only flaw u can legitimately can say but u never elaborated on is killing leaders or anyone in order to find peace thats the only flaw in his plan so ur whole post which is full of hateful shit bout sasuke and u comparing him to hurler is stupid as ****
Flaws in Sasuke's Plan
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Darth Uchiha
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Or maybe they'd just talk, smh, honestly, wanna know a fact? Did you know that Britain and America disagree...WITHOUT GOING TO WAR!? Honestly, if he just flat out says "wassup, imma kill u, lolz" yeah, they'd fight so they wouldn't die, otherwise they'd probably just talk, hell, they may let him make his on nation (Orochimaru did, after all).
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Britain and america are the closest allies U_U They disagree on some petty matters not new world order /fail
@bold oh how great, then we gonna have another rain village ruined by the war of 3 great nation. Problem solved? Right?
The **** you made this thread? Just to hate on Sasuke? Cuz you fail to prove any point.
The kages, all of them and the village system have failed in bringing and securing peace.
4 great shinobi wars in life span of hashirama and tsunade combined.
Sasuke has just as much right to **** up as they did, their time is over and naruto cant bring any peace, that just retarded.
The Uchiha were the most revered clan in Konoha after the Senju dispersed. To this day, they're viewed as illustrious, elite, and noble. People only suspected them after the Kyuubi attack, years after Tobirama died. They didn't like the fact that cops, people responsible for protecting the peace, were not there when the village was in danger and they were needed most. The Uchiha also did not help their own case either, considering Orochimaru said one of the main problems with Tobirama placing them in that position is that it caused them to be corrupt and abuse their power, while wishing for even more.
No, they weren't persecuted. There was no ill-treatment going on. In the raw translation, Hashirama states "Tobirama! I told you not to persecute the Uchiha as Hokage!" Hashirama said this after Orochimaru blamed the coup on Tobirama's political methods. However, Tobirama answered and said that all he did was place them in the Police Force to ease both sides. Then, Hashirama let it go. Hashirama said that because he didn't know the system Tobirama put into place as Hokage and he knew Tobirama was suspicious of the clan (since Tobirama was made Hokage after Hashirama's death). Tobirama didn't oppress them. Just kept an eye on them. That's the most that went on, according to the databook. The feeling was mutual as well. The Uchiha were suspicious of him. But there was no direct, physical offenses toward either side.
Danzo is a tyrant. He wanted the threat to be eliminated- that threat being the Uchiha. However, he has nothing to do with Tobirama or this thread really. Danzo did take on Tobirama's political ideologies, yes. However, he took it to the extreme. I'm sure even Tobirama himself would disapprove. And to be fair there, the Uchiha didn't go to talk to Hiruzen and tell him how they felt so that there could be a peaceful solution. They went right to having a coup, disrupting the peace through the resulting conflict, and executing Hiruzen and the elders if things could go their way. Uchiha dictatorship isn't plausible in Konoha, the citizens would probably rebel against the Uchiha even if they succeeded (which they would not, every man, woman, and child Uchiha would all be annihilated anyway as soon as the coup would initiate, they're traitors) and such a system would not last.
Also, the sharingan arm is never confirmed to be from the massacre. In fact, it's implied to not have been. Danzo's arm had been wrapped up years before and Orochimaru was mentioned to have connections with him and helped him. Orochimaru left Konoha some years before the massacre went down.
And, Danzo took the eye, however he does have a slight point. What happens if a Hyuuga looks at the Uchiha and notices their chakra is disturbed? And then, breaks the genjutsu? The plan fails and Shisui wasted his once-a-decade one-shot only for the coup to still happen. He had somewhat of a right to be suspicious of Shisui. KA would work then, but not forever.
Darth Uchiha
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Know what, your last sentence invalidates most of what you said by being blatantly hypocritical.if Sasuke can mess up and likely will mess up, why does he deserve to rule, because the other kage made mistakes, mistales they were working to fix? Never mind, I already know the real reason why, just because you like Sasuke doesn't make him right, or even sane,
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AlphaScythian
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No, you're the one that defends failed system and leaving no room for any improvement or change. Working to fix mistakes? Please if not a war vs common enemy they would be at each others throats again. 5 generations of kages, nothing got fixed, nothing.
You think naruto gonna solve shit? He is just like hashirama, he's gonna bow and plead before other kages like hashi did, and just you look hashirama died a fodder death in yet another war he couldnt prevent.
You dont know for sure if sasuke fails or makes a better system at least, but he is the only new approach left and we already know that others failed. So it's his turn now.
@red- No, not so. By this logic, every shinobi on the planet hates every Uchiha- that's how flawed this statement is. Everyone has been out to kill Madara, he's a villain and responsible for a copious amount of deaths and destruction. He's also responsible for the Uchiha/Senju conflict not ending sooner. As Izuna died, Hashirama once again offered him a treaty. He rejected it and the conflict continued because he wished to listen to Izuna about never trusting any of the Senju. Tobirama had a right to kill such a man.
@orange- He said it once and that was because Orochimaru was trying to play games and advocate for the Uchiha because Sasuke was there. Then, Tobirama clarified and he let it go. Making them the Police Force was meant to ease the tension on both sides. It failed miserably, obviously. But that was the intent.
Also, yes they were living in the outskirts of the village- in a large compound. When you see Sasuke's house, ironically enough it's more spacious and has more amenities than where both Naruto and Sakura live. How terrible. It makes sense they were living on the outskirts, given their position. They were the Police Force and kept the prison up. Prisons are always in remote areas in both fiction and real life. This isn't any different.
Police are respected in some areas and others not. Orochimaru stated the Uchiha became corrupt and abused power. They choose what their reputation is. The Uchiha themselves looked at themselves and the emblem with pride. Others did not because they'd be jerks. Thus, little respect. That's normal. Tobirama cannot predict the future either, he'd have no way of knowing how exactly the Uchiha would react and how people would view them as a result of those actions.
@green- Tobirama didn't tell Danzo to complete any of those Root objectives. Tobirama was long dead and thought Hiruzen was the one running the show. He didn't know Danzo would be pulling the strings. Not his fault.
@lime green- No, Orochimaru just stated his political policies caused trouble, which they did considering the Uchiha got butthurt over them. Nothing more and nothing less.
@bold- Please keep the discussion on-topic and don't let your personal affairs cloud your interpretation of this manga. No, the Uchiha aren't comparable to blacks nor the Senju whites. The story is what it is. The Senju are descendants of Ashura. The Uchiha descendants of Indra who tend to hate and were all manipulated for years bar 3 of them. That's all Kishimoto wrote.
Edit: This is my last comment in this thread, I'm done discussing this topic. I've made my case clear enough and I have to leave. U_U
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Darth Uchiha
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I know that his way of thinking created the existing system in the first place, and sure as hell can't end it. I'm sick of people saying that understanding people and actually having some f*cking human decency is a bad thing. What kind of twisted mindset is that? The only person to ever try Naruto'sway was Hashirama, he failed because no one followed his ideals.honestly, it's fascinating to me, this prevailing mindset that diplomacy is evil and that murder solves everything.
AlphaScythian
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You ****ing wrong again. It was nardo's way of thinking that craeted it. It was hashirama's way, madara just accepted it and others copied.
Dont you get tired of being wrong?
Im tired of proving each and any "argument" you bring up wrong.
I'll be goin, do you homework before next fail thread, i dont wanna know of what fascinates you we all know that diplomacy doesnt work w/o power, they live together. You seem to be some idealistic kid sprouting childish nonsense.
Darth Uchiha
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Um, no, dummy, this began when Indra started the Curse of Hatred, read the damn manga. Honestly, imagine what the real world would be like if it was run by people like you, with the mind set that diplomacy and human decency were evil, and that murder solved every problem, pretty f*cked up, right? I'm not an idealistic kid spouting nonsense, unlike you, I've had severe bouts of depression, I know people can be real pieces of shit, but I also know that most people are good inside and only need to be shown that. When you take man as he is he can only get worse, when you take man as he should be he becomes exponentially better, if you believe people are bad that is what they will be, if you believe that people can be and should be good they will strive for that, that's why the world loves characters like Superman. I've seen the crap in the world, but refuse to let cynicism fog my view of the world.
