Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

Who do you think Tobi is?

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Sage of Six Paths O.O

    Votes: 14 1.6%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 170 19.6%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 97 11.2%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 177 20.4%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 9 1.0%
  • Shisui Uchiha

    Votes: 17 2.0%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 12 1.4%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 18 2.1%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 39 4.5%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 44 5.1%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 8 0.9%
  • Another Senju

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Tobi (No one we know)

    Votes: 31 3.6%
  • The ramen guy

    Votes: 71 8.2%
  • Someone other than these.

    Votes: 23 2.7%
  • I am done. No theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 48 5.5%

  • Total voters
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Well maybe People really should start to thin about madara beeing alive while nagato & Yahiko formed Akatsuki. This is the only plausible way to make a connection between Obito/Tobi Madara and Nagato.

1.Madara is the master of Tobi ( cuz they know each other, and tobi is able to control kyuubi, and fight with Madaras Fan, alsu using cool Uchiha style Techs)

2. Madara knew Nagato, calling him Brat, who should have revived him.( This making it plausible that he was alive around the Time Nagato/Yahiko.

3. Obito died at age of 13. he is 7 Months older then Kakashi. Obito died at the 3the Shinobi war. This was after the period, so madara was alive and he could have done tobis job, while Tobi/obito got to know this later "as his Student to keep on going the actual plan"

yes this is fanfiction BUT, it solves every Problem around tobi beeing obito, and how Madara knew Nagato, also the Timeline and Age. Tobi just took over Madaras identity after he died, to complete his own Plan, so he betrayed madara. Thats why he fears him.

nuff said~
 
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Yeah I know but I don't understand what you mean by that statement. What "irony" was there.
Lets "pretend" Obito is Tobi, Obito's body isn't whole since half of it was crushed (i'm guessing Zetsu parts replaced the damaged Tobi parts). So it would be ironic if Obito wants to be ONE with everyone..Made whole.
 

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Well maybe People really should start to thin about madara beeing alive while nagato & Yahiko formed Akatsuki. This is the only plausible way to make a connection between Obito/Tobi Madara and Nagato.

1.Madara is the master of Tobi ( cuz they know each other, and tobi is able to control kyuubi, and fight with Madaras Fan, alsu using cool Uchiha style Techs)

2. Madara knew Nagato, calling him Brat, who should have revived him.( This making it plausible that he was alive around the Time Nagato/Yahiko.

3. Obito died at age of 13. he is 7 Months older then Kakashi. Obito died at the 3the Shinobi war. This was after the period, so madara was alive and he could have done tobis job, while Tobi/obito got to know this later "as his Student to keep on going the actual plan"

yes this is fanfiction BUT, it solves every Problem around tobi beeing obito, and how Madara knew Nagato, also the Timeline and Age. Tobi just took over Madaras identity after he died, to complete his own Plan, so he betrayed madara. Thats why he fears him.

nuff said~
Madara states that he unlocked the Rinnegan shortly before he died.

@Lorul2, of course it isn't impossible, but its not high on my personal list on who Tobi is. That's me though and Tobi could have been lying about influencing Yahiko.
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Tobi's credibility comes into question because of the frequency at which he lies.

-He lied about the 9 tails attack straight up, calling it a natural disaster. I have no ****ing idea why he did though because I don't think Sasuke would have cared. Hell, he even tells Sasuke in the same damn conversation that he helped Itachi kill the clan. Wait, I don't remember if he mentions this but Sasuke knew because Itachi told him.

His plan seems to be his originally. Madara seems just to agree with it. We know they are probably collaborating, neither of them are masters of the other, they're just allies. Tobi isn't necessarily scared of Madara, neither was he scared when he saw the coffin. He was merely surprised. He was calm only moments later. He even threatened to kill Kabuto when he knew full and well that Madara was in his possession.

Whether he's an Uchiha or not is the question. In this picture, how could he not be an Uchiha?
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He's got the Uchiha gunbai, the nice ass Uchiha attire, and the Rinnegan/Sharingan mask.

Well actually, his attire doesn't prove a damn thing. When he chose the attire, the only people that knew of his identity at the time were Zetsu and Kabuto. He was playing off the fact that nations thought he was Madara. He had to keep up the act. The coat actually looks very similar to Madara in this pic

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See? Pretty similar. Also, he can't switch between his Sharingan or Rinnegan. Why? He didn't unlock them. Madara unlocked EMS and Rinnegan, so he can switch easily. I'll post my theory after some people post.
 

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Im not necessarily an obito theorist, as my vote was for Izuna. The point I was making was that there are dozens of ways that conversation could have gone, but knowing what we know now, hindsight 20/20 makes previous chapters take new significance. When the identity is revealed, the forums will be filled with all the clues of previous chapters, pointing to what would now be obvious clues.

Im surprised no one has mentioned that Tobi has the light purple cloak that Izuna wore, not the near black one Madara had.
 
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Not what I expected int the polls.

1. It's not elder son. The dojutsu that the elder son has is not rinnegan, nor is it sharingan. It is genetically related to both, yet is neither. Look at a picture. I would go as far to say that Kishi designed his dojutsu that way just to rule him out as a subject. Also, there were so many other better opportunities in the past that tobi could have used his plan, like maybe right after a war, when everybody is in chaos. And the elder son believed in might for peace. Tobi's plan for peace is not might, it is a genjutsu. Tobi does not even use might in his fights. He hides behind S/T ninjutsu. The elder son would probably never do that if he stayed true to his morals. Even if he didn't need to use mighty jutsu, he would. Overall, almost impossible.

2. It's most likely not Izuna. If you read the Third data book, it would tell you that Izuna died in battle. So the story for Izuna would make it so that he would have to have come back to life, yet that is one of the main reasons, aside from the timeline, that people hate the Obito idea. So the Izuna concept has less going for it than the Obito concept right now. Also, What allowed him to live into his 90's while madara dies much much earlier? ( this is for the ages, so I'm not just making shit up) for real world people with medicine and technology it is hard for us to live into our 90's. They have some technology, but they are still making their drugs out of herbs. Herbs! Yet he lives this long without even a pinch of physical wear, not even like what the 3rd homage had. And if you are a 90 year old anything, your definitely gonna have some problems. Unless your a tree. Point is, its irrational.

3. It's most logically kagami, but most probably Obito. I understand that it makes kishi a bad writer, but at a certain point we just have to be willing to accept that. Other than this one point he wrote a kick ass manga. but whatevs. Thats just what I think. I don't wanna debate why I think obito or kagami, but I will if i'm called out. Im not taking the time here. I am not just saying this with nothing to back it up. I just don't feel like doing it again, for a fourth time, for just today. Id much rather be challenged on my first 2 points, because thats what fuels me.
 

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Its not Izuna.
Huh? When did I vote for that Izuna option? :|

I did vote for "An unknown Uchiha" lol why you randomly picked up my comment. 20% is from my option + those Ramen guy trolls + People with no Tobi theory xd

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It was a rough gestimation. Obito would be 31 if he were alive. I'mma say Yahiko and Nagato would both be 34-35 years old if they were alive. Yahiko was probably 16-18 years old when they formed akatsuki, making Obito 14-15 years old.[/QUOTE

Yes obito is kakashis age so he will probably be 31, but the age doesnt matter. We got to see a part of tobis face which looked old, but it looks like if its burned or battle scared, which makes it seem old.. Im still almost 100 percent sure is obito, you guys will find out soon enoughs
Izuna was my second guess also, but the fact that kakashi is in this fight, and the moment when tobi told kakashi that he still hasnt learned to keep his mouth shut, while kakashi looking startled as in suspecting who he is are dead giveaways.. I mean Izuna clearly didnt know kakashi, and obito was rivals with kakashi when he was a brat and full of himself, so what else could you guys want as in clues..? Tobis past mask was orange(the color of obitos googles) plus mess around with the words tobi and you get obito(just one o is left)
 
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Criteria For Tobi’s Identity

1) He is from the time of Hashirama Senju, and needs to be someone the Kyuubi would instantly recognize.

He is instantly recognized by the Kyuubi, who as far as we know has been sealed away in an Uzumaki jinchuuriki ever since the battle at the Valley of the End, where Uzumaki Mito sealed it into herself. There are no reports of the Kyuubi having broken free aside from in Yondaime’s time. This means that Tobi is someone the Kyuubi met during the time of Hashirama.

Given the way in which he speaks of past events, he has first-hand knowledge of and was emotionally investment in the Uchiha/Senju conflict.

Izuna fits: Uchiha Izuna was from this time period, and for obvious reasons, was personally and emotionally invested in fighting the Senju.

2) He has to have a credible reason for being pissed off at the Uchiha’s making peace with the Senju, and needs to be personally, emotionally invested in Uchiha Izuna’s eyes being given to Uchiha Madara.

“What kind of monster would hurt his beloved younger brother?! All I ever wanted was to protect the Uchiha clan! […] My younger brother accepted his role and willingly gave his eyes to me….[Tobi clenches his arms in anger]. What happened to the hatred we had for them?! What did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!”

Izuna fits: He has ample reason to be pissed off at the Uchiha, even more so than Uchiha Madara; he sacrificed his eyes and possibly his life to give Madara the EMS in order to protect the Uchiha in their fight against the Senju, only to have them go and make peace? Why did he sacrifice his eyes and his life for them, then?!

3) He has a credible reason for claiming that the eyes Nagato had “were [his] to begin with.”

Izuna fits: If we accept the likelihood that Nagato’s eyes used to be Uchiha Madara’s (who is the only person we know which awakened the Rinnegan), then we also accept that Nagato’s eyes originally belonged to Uchiha Izuna’s, as we know that Uchiha Madara’s EMS eyes originally belonged to Izuna. Izuna fits this perfectly; no one else has a better credible reason to claim Nagato’s eyes “were his to begin with” than Izuna.

4) He needs to be a person whom Uchiha Madara will trust with his own life and rebirth.

Madara trusted Tobi to bring him back to life with Nagato’s powers. This is a major deal. Who would the great Uchiha Madara trust with his own life?

If we accept Madara’s statement that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, then this also means that he had only a very short period of time to transplant the Rinnegan into child Nagato. This means that he was 100%, utterly dependent on Tobi to carry out the ‘plan’ he mentioned to Kabuto, which included his resurrection.

Madara also gave Tobi access to the Hashirama-related power which he had nearly died for; an incredible show of trust.

Izuna fits: He is Uchiha Madara’s younger brother, and brotherly ties are a major focal point of this manga. We know that Rinnei Tensei can bring the dead back to life, and we know that Uchiha Madara gained the Rinnegan before dying. It would make sense if he used the Rinnegan to bring back Izuna.

Counter-Argument: Nagato wasn’t able to bring back Jiraiya because he had died too long ago! How could Madara bring back Izuna, who had died even longer ago!

Response: Uchiha Madara planned to use Nagato to bring himself back to life. If we accept that Madara died while Nagato was a child (which is necessary, as Nagato was given the Rinnegan as a child), and that Nagato was expected to ‘grow’ into his power, then this shows Madara thought it was fully possible for Nagato to resurrect him, despite years having passed. Which indicates that it is also fully possible for Madara to resurrect Izuna, despite years having passed.

5) He needs to have a credible grudge against Konoha, and has to have waited a long time for his vengeance against Konoha.
Spoken to Kushina: “Do you have any idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?!”

Izuna fits: His reason for a grudge against Konoha are obvious and profound; he gave his eyes to fight against the Senju who controlled the village, then eventually expelled his brother out from it. If we accept that he died or was maimed back in Hashirama’s days, then he has been waiting a long, long time indeed for his vengeance.

6) Tobi needs to be an Uchiha.

Although not Madara, Tobi still needs to have an Uchiha’s body; he uses the sharingan with expertise not seen outside a native Uchiha, and does not appear to have any problems with his body not being suited for the sharingan.

Izuna fits: Self-explanatory.

7) Tobi has to have a credible reason for being at least partly made out of Zetsu goo, even as far back as the fight with Yondaime.

Izuna somewhat fits: Tobi claims that Uchiha Izuna died in battle after losing his eyes. Knowing that Rinnei Tensi is capable of bringing the dead back, and also knowing that Zetsu goo is based off of Hashirama’s DNA, it’s credible that for Madara to bring Izuna back, he had to use Zetsu goo for whatever reason. Admittedly, more data is required here.

8) He has an old, wrinkly face, despite being partially made out of Zetsu goo.

Izuna fits: If we accept that Izuna was brought back to life with the Rinnegan while Nagato was a child, then at least 30+ years have passed, as we know that Nagato (being Jiraiya’s first disciple) should be as old or older than Minato. If Izuna was brought back in a partially ‘real’ body which aged, and if he had died in his 20’s, then he would now be in his 50’s or 60’s, explaining the wrinkly face. This is also supported by the fact that he indicates if Itachi knew some of his secrets, the Amaterasu would have killed him, indicating that at least part of him was non-Zetsu goo and thus vulnerable to being killed.
This is the most plausible explanation I have seen by far.. I think it is Izuna as well.. if his life time and history isn't enough his very name translates to a fitting role. Izuna refers to a japanese fox spirit, or a weasel.. cunning conniving creatures that would make a fitting name for a master trickster, plotting villain who deems himself a faceless, nameless assailant.

Nice work on outlining it all, I'm quite certain it's Izuna. :D
 
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Yeah, you won't hear from me anymore (0moi) until Tobi is revealed, I'm getting tired of repeating the same stuff over and over again. I'm not going to keep arguing something that should make common sense.

When his identity is revealed, I hope you'll finally put two and two together.
 
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