Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

Who do you think Tobi is?

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Sage of Six Paths O.O

    Votes: 14 1.6%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 170 19.6%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 97 11.2%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 177 20.4%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 9 1.0%
  • Shisui Uchiha

    Votes: 17 2.0%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 12 1.4%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 18 2.1%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 39 4.5%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 44 5.1%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 8 0.9%
  • Another Senju

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Tobi (No one we know)

    Votes: 31 3.6%
  • The ramen guy

    Votes: 71 8.2%
  • Someone other than these.

    Votes: 23 2.7%
  • I am done. No theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 48 5.5%

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Re: Tobi is not Obito proof

There a shit ton of these threads on the forum I have not posted on any of them because honestly I do not know who Tobi is and we won't find out till next week hopefully unless Kishi trolls us and switched to the Kage or Sasuke. We will see but I will make the folllowing statements

Tobi can be Obito anyone thinking it is not possible is delusional(again I am not saying that he is Obito just that is possible)
If you remember when Tobi attacked when Kushina was giving birth and released the 9-Tails they showed Kakashi and Gai all young adults not little kids like in the Kakashi Gaiden. So Obito could have developed with help from Madara although again I highly doubt this but it is possible.

He could be Izuna another theory running around but there is not alot of info about Izuna to back any of those claims up. But that doesn't mean Kishi would not go that way.

Just some food for thought I have a feeling we will; find out soon in the next 2 weeks hopefully next week . I hope that he really is nobody that its just some random Shinobi that no one really knows but that wouldn't really make alot of sense as to why he is hiding his face.
 

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THIS IS JUST THE OVERALL
CONCLUSION THAT I CAME TO THE REASON BEHIND THEM ARE IN THE LINK PROVIDED ABOVE.

Madara gained hashis dna durring their battle a fact pointed out in the manga
and developed the rinnegan shortly before his death.some will say that does not explain why he lived so long and on the contrary it does.The members of this clan possessed both incredible longevity and life force.Their longevity can be seen in part through Mito, who lived from long before the founding of Konoha, to well into the term of the Third Hokage's reign. through her longevity and strong life force madaras life was extended due *inheriting the Sage's "body" — life force and physical energy.Having both strands of dna his blood was restored to its original roots and was granted the same longevity and life force and as a result extened his life.Acquiring the senju DNA essentially brought the blood to its purest form which was the uzamaki bloodline.Which led madara to eventually awaken the rinnegan.
As noted beore the uzamaki were also masters of fuininjustu.Now for someone who wants the fox a clan with the abilty to seal the tailed beast were a big threat to tobi/maradaras plan.They were alive before the first world war seeing how hashi has his pic taken with the clan leader.then they magically all die between the first war and third war seems like a coincidence ? I hardly think so.madara then sought out the refugee nagato and placed his eyes in him as storage.Now this theory makes logical sense and its also backed up by the fact that madara states in the manga that he was expecting to be brought back by nagato.Now if he did not live long enough then how did he know of nagato if he died before he was born ?The obvious answer is he did not die.Madara then placed the eyes in Nagato the refugee who was the only person left with the right dna to utilize the eye since he was an UZAMAKI AND HAD THE PURE unadulterated BLOODLINE OF THE SAGE WITHIN HIM.


We know tobi has claimed to be madara and a shell of his former seal.What i am proposing is madara used the rinnegan to create zetsu.The process he used is explained to have initially involved the administration of imagination, and the spiritual energy which forms the basis of Yin chakra to create shape and form from nothingness. Then, through the application of vitality, and the physical energy which forms the basis of Yang chakra, he would breathe life into the prior form.(which is why zetsu is back and white his color scheme is a symbolic representation of yin and yang) THE ZETSU PARTS WERE MERGED WITH OBITOS BODY TO HAVE IT SUSTAINED.I beleive that the body is indeed obito's but the path of madra a bit of his soul resides in him making the shell of his former self explination that much more reasonable.Now where orochimaru fits into this part i have not exactly found out but knowing that orochimaru knew pretty much everything about the rinnegan and the fact he already knows how to extract parts of his soul makes him a pretty good partner for tobi or should i say madara to have.Orochimaru already said he worked with tobi he used his knowledge to help madara contain his soul in obito.why ? Well what do you think orochimaru wants ?The sharingan at first i thought but no his goal was ultimately the rinnegan which is known to make learning justu a peice of cake and what did orochimaru originally want ? to learn all justu and the only way for him to do that was to expand his life.Now what eye do you know makes justu easy to learn and could possibly extend your life ?THE RINNEGAN.
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I personally think it's Obito, but I am open to the fact that it is other people (especially uchiha)

I remember there was a picture rendering of one side of Madara's face (when he was burned by Sasuke's Amaterasu) and they made that side of the face whole, and it looked exactly like izuna or that other Uchiha.

However, the main reason why I think that it's Obito is because if you look at the spelling of Tobi
Start at the "O" in tobi and go around the whole word

tObi
toBi
tobI
Tobi
tObi

The capitals spell Obito, however I would not be surprised in the least if it was someone else/if Kishi was trolling us/if Kishi was mind-fu**ing Kakashi :D

♥ Kishi, first post here too! :)
 

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Look, Zetsu might have been watching Obito and Kakashi for some time. This way Tobi would know about Kakashi's regrets and all that because Zetsu was there and saw what happened. Then when Obito lay there abandoned and dead, Zetsu got in and took his Sharingan and gave it to Tobi
 

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I personally think it's Obito, but I am open to the fact that it is other people (especially uchiha)

I remember there was a picture rendering of one side of Madara's face (when he was burned by Sasuke's Amaterasu) and they made that side of the face whole, and it looked exactly like izuna or that other Uchiha.

However, the main reason why I think that it's Obito is because if you look at the spelling of Tobi
Start at the "O" in tobi and go around the whole word

tObi
toBi
tobI
Tobi
tObi

The capitals spell Obito, however I would not be surprised in the least if it was someone else/if Kishi was trolling us/if Kishi was mind-fu**ing Kakashi :D

♥ Kishi, first post here too! :)
I bet you think your the first person to come up with that theory.
 

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I think there are only a few choices that are likely, considering the various bits of evidence, the buildup, and the things that Kishi let out last chapter. Here are the few people who still make any sort of sense, and the odds that I give them:

1) Kagame Uchiha: 40%
2) Izuna Uchiha: 30 %
3) Fugaku Uchiha: 20%
4) Obito Uchiha: 5%

But that only adds up to 95%! The other 5% are for a few other theories which are possible but (in my opinion) are not likely. For instance, I could make a pretty convincing, but indirect, argument that Tobi could be an Uzumaki. That was one of my favorite theories until last chapter, when Tobi referred to Kakashi's kamui as a "borrowed power". Now I'm much more convinced that he's a full-blooded Uchiha instead.

Longer explanations, hidden from view:

Kagame Uchiha: He's one of the only plot theories that doesn't cause any real plot holes, mostly because he hasn't been featured in the manga enough to cause any contradictions. It's a case of "less is more". He's the same age as Hiruzen and Danzo, which is pretty old but not feeble and infirm. Danzo, for instance, still was pretty spry. Kagame, like most elders and high-ranking members of the Uchiha clan, would have had all sorts of access to the Naka Shrine tablet, would have known secrets of MS and EMS (and Izanagi), and would have had access to historical records so he would have known which families would produce MS abilities like Kamui that would be beneficial.

Izuna Uchiha: Obviously has the same plans and goals as Madara. Didn't have his own sharingan eyes, so he had to go out and "borrow" a pair from somebody else instead. Madara would have had to bring him back to life with Rinnegan or Zetsu magic, which is odd but not impossible to explain. If he brought Izuna back to life during the second world war, and he was the same age as when he died (pretty young) that would explain his current age and how he doesn't appear to be 100 or older. Madara and Izuna were both described as having exceptionally powerful chakra, which explains why Tobi can seemingly spam different versions of Kamui, while Kakashi can barely cast it a few times before he passes out. Plus, he's a real Uchiha so unlike Kakashi he can use sharingan more efficiently anyway. Who else better to impersonate Madara convincingly, than a person who was from Madara's own family and has many of the same powers as Madara?

Fugaku Uchiha: Was mysteriously missing the night of Tobi's attack on the village. He was old enough then to play the part, and 10 years later he could plausibly have the kinds of wrinkles that we saw Tobi have. He's also taken a special interest in both Sasuke and Itachi, allowing and even encouraging both of them to join Akatsuki (even if he suspected Itachi of being dishonest about it, and trying to protect Konoha or even passing intelligence back to them). He's even acted proud of the two brothers on different occasions. Fugaku actually planned the Uchiha coup, which lead directly to the massacre, Itachi's defection, Sasuke's mentality as a revenger, and many other events in the manga, which is the kind of thing that Tobi/Madara would have wanted anyway. Where this fails is in trying to explain why Mikoto was also missing the night of Tobi's invasion (coincidence, or is she also involved?), and explain how Fugaku faked his own death at the hands of Itachi. Considering that Madara, Tobi's mentor of sorts, also faked his own death convincingly it's not hard to imagine that Fugaku could have done so as well. The fact that Fugaku and Mikoto were inexplicably missing during the night of Tobi's attack is the single biggest piece of evidence here, and is also an extremely interesting mystery that demands some kind of explanation.

Obito Uchiha: Lots of people love this theory, but I really don't think it's plausible. He's the wrong age, he never had access to the Naka shrine, he was born after Nagato had been given the Rinnegan (or even shorly before, it doesn't matter), he would have never met Madara in person, he had the will of Fire, was good friends with Kakashi and never once acted like the kind of maniac who would try to take over the world. Also, he got smashed by a huge boulder, and I have to believe that would leave a scar or two, which we never saw on Tobi. The only real "evidence" for this theory is that Tobi clearly has Obito's eye, and the syllables of "Tobi" and "Obito" are mostly the same, but rearranged. From everything I've seen, that is just a translation issue, not an artifact from the original japanese (I could be wrong here, I don't read Japanese). The only reason Kishi may do this is a lazy way to push the story forward faster, without having to waste a lot of time on explanation. If you're going to be lazy, do it all the way.

Others: I still think it's possible, but less plausible, that Tobi could be an as-yet unnamed Uzumaki. Somebody who Madara met during his travels. Considering how much he knows about jinchuuriki seals (the most advanced of which, Kushina's was an Uzumaki invention), how much he knew about Konoha security (the Uzumaki were a close military ally of Konoha), and how he would have ever known about Nagato and how Nagato would have been a good recipient of the Rinnegan. Again, I used to like this theory more, before the "borrowed power" line. I think it's also remotely possible that he's some other non-uchiha. The fact that his forehead was covered with a bandage and now there's a third hole in the forehead of his most recent mask certainly seems suspicious to me (A branch-family Hyuuga, for example, would have had a seal on the forehead like where Tobi's bandage was, but that doesn't seem a likely explanation to me).

The fact that he refers to himself as "no one" suggests that he has discarded a previous identity. The fact that he took the name of Madara and pretended to be Madara, and even spoke about Madara's actions in the first person ("I fought Hashirama", "I faked my own death", "I am Madara Uchiha", "These are the powers of Madara Uchiha" etc) suggests some sort of fanboyism or self-delusion. Also, the fact that Tobi stayed in his "Tobi" character before he revealed himself as "Madara", even at times when it was just him and Zetsu alone (and Zetsu should have known who it was) suggests that maybe he really IS nobody, he has no personality of his own and he is always acting and always pretending to be somebody else, to the point that he even convinces himself. We can get into a pit trying to figure out the psychology of a character based on things that might be translation errors, especially if Kishi hasn't had a consistent vision and has introduced some weird inconsistencies over 600 chapters of manga over the course of many years. so I won't go much further into this idea. But you get the idea.

There are a few other ideas that make some sense, but I think the three most plausible explanations are either Kagame, Izuna or Fugaku, in that order.
 

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I think Tobi is someone like a Kabuto. I think Madara meet Tobi when Madara left the village and his clan. Just like Oro and Kabuto. So Tobi could be someone we dont know.
 

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Was re-reading out of boredom and came across this line.

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Itachi says it all. Don't assume someone is dead.

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IMO this what really happened.
 

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Look, Zetsu might have been watching Obito and Kakashi for some time. This way Tobi would know about Kakashi's regrets and all that because Zetsu was there and saw what happened. Then when Obito lay there abandoned and dead, Zetsu got in and took his Sharingan and gave it to Tobi
why should tobi or Zetsu watch over kakashi the whole time what he did in front of graves. I mean who the **** should some other uchiha care about kakashi. Only Obito or someone really near related to obito brother or father~ Even though it would not make any sense, that Tobi says "He" got this eye power at the fight of kanabi bridge...so he muste have been there in person~ For me this means, it would be obito~ Just a guess, but many people belive that something obvious can't be true~ Like Minato beeing Naruto father...sure this was too obvious, does it mean minato is not his father anymore dafug...if Kishi makes him Obito it would bring up more Tense into this character of Tobi.
 
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I have no idea where i got this, but if i remember correctly they weren't able to bring back/ find?- the body.
They = would probably b tha Anbu?

That is if i remember correctly, and seriously i can't remember where it was stated.

Next post for #1000 Lol
1000 Tobi Id posts aye..

Hmmm, I may have to search for that.


Lol and the number is going to sky rocket should Tobi's identity be revealed next week (Especially if it's Obito).
 

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Can someone please explain to me how in the world Obito would be old enough to be Tobi, since Tobi gave Nagato Rinnegan and even if Madara did himself he would have died shortly afterwards and wouldn't know Obito.
 

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Can someone please explain to me how in the world Obito would be old enough to be Tobi, since Tobi gave Nagato Rinnegan and even if Madara did himself he would have died shortly afterwards and wouldn't know Obito.

Lol I'm about to leave, but anyways there's no proof that Madara died shortly afterwards. I assume you are going to go back to that statement from Madara, "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death", but I already showed how that statement is inconclusive, just check my earlier posts (The ones addressed to FizzyDrink).
 

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heres a question for everyone that says its izuna. lets say he was brought back by edo tensai, he would once again have his eyes and he was already regarded as the strongest uchiha other than his brother. why would he go get obito's eye? I'm sure someone like him would've been able to beat most opponents using just the sharingan and only using the ms for extreme emergencies.
 

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Lol I'm about to leave, but anyways there's no proof that Madara died shortly afterwards. I assume you are going to go back to that statement from Madara, "I awakened these eyes shortly before my death", but I already showed how that statement is inconclusive, just check my earlier posts (The ones addressed to FizzyDrink).
Ok thanks.
 

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i had an idea while i was on the tiolet~ Well and it is not only crap that i pulled out there~

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many people think cause of this emotion, it is an arguement for tobi beeing izuna.

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and then this people refere to this page by telling us Izuna talks about his brother who made "the same" exuses on his grave(by the way how would a deadman know that someone(madara) talks on his grave and simultansously planing with him the infinite tsukiyomi? Ghosts for the win~)


Well i think if this izuna lovers refere there tobi talking about madara indrectly we also could say that tobi thought about himself as Obito giving kakashi his sharingan on his "free will" at the first image. So this is mostly a counter ~

just sayin~
 
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So explain why Obito would clutch his arm at the mention of Izuna then.
as i said before by refering to himself as obito giving kakashi his own eye "willingly", so kakashi could become a hero and fulfil his promises etc pp, what he did not so this is why he is just words no action. And so Obito could see this as a mistake right know~ If he were Tobi^^
 

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as i said before by refering to himself as obito giving kakashi his own eye, so he could become a hero and fulfil his promises etc pp. And so Obito could see this as a mistake right know~ If he were Tobi^^
But Obito gave Kakashi his Sharingan as a gift of friendship. Why would he see it as a mistake? Because Rin died?
 
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