Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

Who do you think Tobi is?

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Sage of Six Paths O.O

    Votes: 14 1.6%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 170 19.6%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 97 11.2%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 177 20.4%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 9 1.0%
  • Shisui Uchiha

    Votes: 17 2.0%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 12 1.4%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 18 2.1%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 39 4.5%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 44 5.1%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 8 0.9%
  • Another Senju

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Tobi (No one we know)

    Votes: 31 3.6%
  • The ramen guy

    Votes: 71 8.2%
  • Someone other than these.

    Votes: 23 2.7%
  • I am done. No theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 48 5.5%

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Interesting stuff.
Hope the meet up of Izu and Mad' won't go like:
after some speech
Izuna: i forgive you.
Madara starts crying and *poof* same way as Itachi.
xd
Izuna's part in the manga can and will be big, as it already happened we just don't know how.
No Rinnegan. no nothing.


Lol, I wouldn't even put that pass Kishi, his answer for stopping edo madara. xD
Oh surely, whether he's alive, dead but will be resurrected, or is dead and remains that way, Kishi is without a doubt going to go more into his story.
Lol yep, the story doesn't even happen without him. xD

I can't wait for the chapter tomorrow (I think there will be one). o.o
 

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Lol, I wouldn't even put that pass Kishi, his answer for stopping edo madara. xD
Oh surely, whether he's alive, dead but will be resurrected, or is dead and remains that way, Kishi is without a doubt going to go more into his story.
Lol yep, the story doesn't even happen without him. xD

I can't wait for the chapter tomorrow (I think there will be one). o.o
Yup, couple of hours.. I'm glad Naruto manga is weekly.
I also read Soul Eater, which is monthly and even if its just a chapter
waiting for one that is over due is a pain ... xd (chapter 101, if u have info bout it, gladly :ice:)
 

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Yup, couple of hours.. I'm glad Naruto manga is weekly.
I also read Soul Eater, which is monthly and even if its just a chapter
waiting for one that is over due is a pain ... xd (chapter 101, if u have info bout it, gladly :ice:)

You must not be in the states. xD
I actually never read Soul Eater, heard it mention here and there. And I see, waiting a month is just...O_O I hope they don't do too many cliffhangers. xD
I don't have info..xd I guess that means I don't get any ice-cream. xD


Oh yeah, I see that you are new, we are spamming by the way. xd And Tsuchi doesn't play around with stuff like that, received one warning for the same thing long ago. >_<
 

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I really deep down inside hope its Izuna or Obito, Kagami could be a good option too but only if Kishi makes a good background to it. I have a feeling its Izuna though, based on the loopholes in the Obito theory
 

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Oh yeah, I see that you are new, we are spamming by the way. xd And Tsuchi doesn't play around with stuff like that, received one warning for the same thing long ago. >_<
Gotcha.


Ok back to Tobi.
The timeline is vauge to me,
but could Orochimaru have helped in adding Zetsu goo' to Tobi?
Tobi also seems to know Orochimaru quite well.

(Side note for this would be, could madara have lived long enough to meet Orochimaru? seeing as he created Yamato, upgraded Dazou(Dunno if that was a speculation or what actually happened)
 

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Gotcha.


Ok back to Tobi.
The timeline is vauge to me,
but could Orochimaru have helped in adding Zetsu goo' to Tobi?
Tobi also seems to know Orochimaru quite well.

(Side note for this would be, could madara have lived long enough to meet Orochimaru? seeing as he created Yamato, upgraded Dazou(Dunno if that was a speculation or what actually happened)
Yeah Orichimaru is 50/52 and Madara is 80 years old at least. So they could have definitley met eachother
 

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Gotcha.


Ok back to Tobi.
The timeline is vauge to me,
but could Orochimaru have helped in adding Zetsu goo' to Tobi?
Tobi also seems to know Orochimaru quite well.

(Side note for this would be, could madara have lived long enough to meet Orochimaru? seeing as he created Yamato, upgraded Dazou(Dunno if that was a speculation or what actually happened)

Orochimaru definitely gave Yamato his mokuton abilities, and this was before he left the village which was around when the 4th became Hokage, which was before the fox attack. He was doing experimentations while he was still in the village, so yeah. Also, we see him when Nagato met Jiraiya, which wouldn't be to far away considering Madara knows of Nagato.


Also, this would explain Tobi's "speculation" that Orochimaru was the one who worked on Danzo.


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At the ending of part 1, Kisame noted that it's been seven years since Orochimaru left the akakstui, that was around when Sasuke was 6. And we know he left the village before the fox attack, which is before the first appearance of Tobi. So he definitely could have helped.

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It may even be part of the reason why he was let into Akakstui, and when going with the theory from earlier, may even be how Oro discovered the transfer body technique.



Anyways, it's possible. xD
 

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Orochimaru definitely gave Yamato his mokuton abilities, and this was before he left the village which was around when the 4th became Hokage, which was before the fox attack. He was doing experimentations while he was still in the village, so yeah. Also, we see him when Nagato met Jiraiya, which wouldn't be to far away considering Madara knows of Nagato.


Also, this would explain Tobi's "speculation" that Orochimaru was the one who worked on Danzo.


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At the ending of part 1, Kisame noted that it's been seven years since Orochimaru left the akakstui, that was around when Sasuke was 6. And we know he left the village before the fox attack, which is before the first appearance of Tobi. So he definitely could have helped.

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It may even be part of the reason why he was let into Akakstui, and when going with the theory from earlier, may even be how Oro discovered the transfer body technique.



Anyways, it's possible. xD
Ohh yeah.. Nagato.
Orochimaru even suggested to kill him.. that would've pissed off Tobi. xd

Funny is that Sasori was Oro's partner, massively modified body, Tobi likely to be using someone esle's body. Akatsuki, club of body mods'.
 

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Ohh yeah.. Nagato.
Orochimaru even suggested to kill him.. that would've pissed off Tobi. xd

Funny is that Sasori was Oro's partner, massively modified body, Tobi likely to be using someone esle's body. Akatsuki, club of body mods'.

Haha that's hilarious, I'd love to see that reaction.


Lol that's actually very interesting, and he actually managed to put/transfer his soul inside that thing in his chest.
 
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So, back to the whole "Plot device" thing of Kakashi being there.

If Tobi was revealed to be Izuna during the Naruto fight. No one there would know who he is. Not Kakashi, not Guy, Naruto, or Bee. "Who are you?" "I'm Izuna!" That's not exactly compelling writing, right there.

If he's revealed to be Obito, Kakashi will undoubtedly flip his shit. Compelling story, regardless of if it makes sense.

The alternative here is if Madara arrives to say, "Hello, Izuna". Madara already told us he was going to go capture the Kyubi, anyway. So this is a viable alternative.
 

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So, back to the whole "Plot device" thing of Kakashi being there.

If Tobi was revealed to be Izuna during the Naruto fight. No one there would know who he is. Not Kakashi, not Guy, Naruto, or Bee. "Who are you?" "I'm Izuna!" That's not exactly compelling writing, right there.

If he's revealed to be Obito, Kakashi will undoubtedly flip his shit. Compelling story, regardless of if it makes sense.

The alternative here is if Madara arrives to say, "Hello, Izuna". Madara already told us he was going to go capture the Kyubi, anyway. So this is a viable alternative.


Yeah Kishi is still keeping us going with that last comment by Madara. Though if Madara was to show up and reveal his identity, everything would seem I don't know, abrupted in an annoying kind of way, I mean ruining the story flow. Kakashi discovered his ability, he figured out it may be his eye, and then says a "You.." before being interrupted and now appears to be letting his thoughts/feelings get to him. Then to have "Nah, I'm Izuna trolololol", would kill the flow of it all.


So excited to what's in the manga tomorrow. Anyways, I'm out for tonight.
 

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My top 3 pick who tobi is, if tobi is revealed. I dont mind if it is one of these three. If it is someone else like obito, i will probably stop reading naruto manga, cause of the pointless suspense
1.izuna
2.madara split, creation or form of clone
3.kagami
 

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My thought of it all is; it's obito's older brother. Sasuke and Itachi have similar eye techs, and so could obito and his brother. And we know the Uchihas to come with brothers. I also agree with Izuna being tobi.
 

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I think Tobi is Someone .. . in Obito's body.
I think Oro helped with the body transfer.
which is why he knows the Uchiha body can hold up over time.

Consider that Oro looked like a little girl when fighting the Third. When he revealed himself. But all the other time he looked like his real self. He had his full abilities as well.
I suspect that that Tobi could have really been in a young body when he fought Minato
as well.



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Tobi is Uchiha Madara+ Obito+ Zetsu.......U_U

Technically Tobi has got the sharingan of Uchiha Madara and Obito....To able to use the rinnegan he is made up of Zetsu...which i think is made from the cell of Hashirama....
U_U

Let me hear what you think about this theory....:)
 

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Re:Most legitamate reason of why Izuna could be Tobi

I have made a great theory, of why Izuna Uchiha would be Tobi.
Now, this is a late post about this, I kept this and thought about it in my head for about a week.

Alrighty. Let's start with what we know about Izuna.

Both of his eyes, we're ripped out by his brother Madara Uchiha, correct.
Also, he wasn't confirmed 100% dead...
(That's all we need to know)

Alright, let's start how this leads up.

Sasuke and Orochimaru arrive at the battle field, splitting up.
Ororchimaru goes towards Tobi, and Sasuke goes towards Madara.
This makes sense because The five hokages are having some damn serious trouble with Madara at the moment.

How will the mask of Tobi fall off? I'll explain that now. As we saw, on the last panel of Naruto Chapter 597, Naruto was speeding towards Tobi.
At his speed, it's enough to reach him with Tobi being completely unaware he'll hit him so fast, that his mask will break off.

But it won't exactly happen like that...

Naruto will launch and extend his arm towards Tobi, with a tailed beast rasengan-like attack. It obviously, goes through Tobi's mask. Kakashi uses his jutsu to send Naruto's bomb towards "Obito's Dimension", and Naruto brings his arm back toward him, hitting Tobi on the back of the head.

Tobi's mask shatters, and he rolls off some where. Kurama instantly notices, that person is Izuna Uchiha.

Orochimaru arrives at the battle, also remembering him sometime before he joined the Akatsuki. Izuna also remembers Orochimaru, and then Izuna explains how they know each other.

It has already been confirmed that Tobi has Nagato's rinnengan, and Obito's sharingan. This is how Tobi got Obito's sharingan. Tobi, hired that rock ninja (Or who ever) to kill Obito. Izuna came after the incident, and took the remaining eye that Obito had on the other side of his body, that was crushed by the boulder. Tobi had already met up with Orochimaru in the past, and asked him to implant eyes that aren't in use into him. This gave a good connection in the relationship between the two, and Tobi promised to give Orochimaru a good present sooner or later.

Years later, when Orochimaru and Tobi re-unite, Tobi asks Orochimaru to implant Obito's eye onto his left eye. In return, Tobi will teach Orochimaru impure Resurrection. (This was soon before the time Orochimaru was in Akatsuki).
This makes good sense, because Tobi/Izuna was assumed by me, to be alive around the time the second hokage died. Who killed the second? Izuna. (Also copying his Resurrection jutsu. Orochimaru, at the time implanting Obito's eye into Tobi got information on the power of the sharingan from Tobi, which is where Orochimaru gained interest for the sharingan.

Tobi gets what he wants, Orochimaru gets what he wants. They part they're ways. (This is where Orochimaru joins Akatsuki to attempt to take Itachi's eyes.) Orochimaru learning the resure jutsu. from Izuna/Tobi, makes good sense even more. Izuna gained DNA from the Second Hokage, and shared it with Orochimaru (which is used in the fight between Orochimaru and the Third Hokage).

Tobi, before the white rinnengan mask had his right eye covered until he took Nagato's rinnengan.

This makes very good sense that Tobi, is Izuna uchiha.
He lost both eyes in the past, and he gained two eyes in the future.
We've seen part of Izuna/Tobi's face, it was old and wrinkly.
It may have been confirmed that Izuna Uchiha eventually died in battle, but...
How did he battle without eye sight? It could be a small error in the plot, and it should be. If he did die, Madara could've revived Izuna and made plans with him while he still had chakra from the kyuubi left. This is how Madara would've actually died. He probably thought it would be a good trade if he revived his brother, and for taking his eyes.

Back into the present, Tobi flees from the fight, and meets up with Madara.
Naruto, Kakashi, Gai, Killer Bee, and Orochimaru all chase after Izuna.

This, makes A LOT OF SENSE.
Sasuke isn't handling Madara as well as planned, but he isn't doing bad either.
This is where every one meets up.
The five kages, Naruto, Killer Bee, Orochimaru, Kakashi, Gai, Izuna, Madara, and Sasuke.

The final battle is here.

Izuna stands by Madara, telling him he remembers the plan that they thought of, the moon eye plan. This is a really crazy idea, but I was thinking that Madara and Tobi would become one, a person that would have six eyes (reference to sage of six paths, or one eye. You'll see later.)
Three eyes would be rinnengan, two would be sharingan, and on would be a rinnengan with sharingan tomoe's. They would fuse with the Ten tails, all becoming one being, and have a epic battle with all the others. Either that,

OR

Naruto and Sasuke would team up, and fight Madara and Izuna (not fused).




I don't have much more to say.

This is really big for my first post on the site, I hope you guys enjoyed it.
This was before WHAT EVER HAPPENED BEFORE CHAPTER 598 WAS RELEASED.
 
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