[FEAR] How Mangekyo Sharingan Abilities are Granted

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As long as I can remember the question has always been asked, what decides what MS abilities you get? There never seemed to be any rhythm or reason to it. Below I will go in detail on this and shed light on some truth.


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Understanding Itachi & Sasuke's MS


Introduction


This stems from the idea that Tobirama has seen before:

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Some people want to say that Kagetsuchi is merely "Fire Control" and thus is a non-conclusive term. But in context if he was simply speaking in terms of fire he would have said "I have never seen a Katon like that" and not to mention he didnt even acknowledge the fact that it was black like Minato did, and not to mention that he calls it by the same name Sasuke does.

Here Sasuke calls it by name (Enton Kagutsuchi):

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Thus after seeing it he says he has never seen a Kagetsuchi like that before, which implies he has seen other Kagetsuchi.


General Consensus​

Now the general consensus so far is that you are granted MS abilities based on your close family member, this is based on the fact that so far everyone who is in a different close family have had different MS techniques, while those in similar families have had similar MS Abilities:

1) Itachi and Sasuke : Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi
2) Obito : Close Kamui - Distant Kamui
3) Shishui: Ultimate Genjutsu - Ultimate Genjutsu

And so the family argument seemed to make sense. But then something happened [ ]. The question of it coming from a particular branch in the family was weird. If all the techiques came from the Elder Brother, the originator of the Sharingan, then at what points did new MS abilities start popping up? It just seemed weird. But then I started thinking?


What Did He Say?

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Here are a few key qoutes that you should take from the above scans:

"When Uchiha suffer after experiencing the loss of a loved one or despair special chakra sprouts in their brain which affects the optic nerve and produces the change in their eyes"

"That is "The Eye that reflects Feelings"... The Sharingan"

"The Sharingan aligns itself with the person's feelings..."


Coincidence's​

Take a look at this:

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Obito who in his last moments wanted to be able to dodge those fallings rocks but ended up sqaushed.


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Shishui's wanted a way to convince his clan not to go forward with a Coup


Is it merely a coincedence that the Sharingans happen to reflect the wishes of their Uchiha?


Understanding Itachi & Sasuke's MS


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Note that Itachi was not faking these emotions, this was before he was ordered to kill the Clan, and note then when he noticed sasuke was watching he immediately stopped acting the way he was. In a sense you could say that rather than him acting that way to further convince sasuke that he was a bad guy, he was actually holding back to not reveal his disdain of his clan to sasuke.

Now when we Analyse what could be the cause of their MS abilities we find that although they lived mostly different life's their despair stemmed from the same place.

Itachi:

1) He held a grudge towards his Family/Clan who thought only of themselves and how to improve their situation and hated them for perusing this Coup De Tat on Konoha.

2) With his Clan/Family now dead he became alone, more so than any other Uchiha had been.

Sasuke:

1) He held a grudge towards Itachi, and later on Konoha, who through their own selfish actions took away what was close to him.

2) After the destruction of his clan he was left alone to find for himself.


MS Ability:

1) This one is based on revenge and the need to satisfy a grugde you hold against someone, a deep sense of hatred and resent one. The Fires of Amaterasu can be thought of as a reflect of the burning fire within ones own black heart.

2) All alone in the world one perceives the world to be different, colder, darker, riddled with pain. Tsukuyomi allows one to bring others into this world. But this is also added with a different need, the need to understand why something was done. For Itachi it was why he village would not bow to reason, for Sasuke it was why his village needed to be destroyed. And Genjutsu is the best tool for interrogation. Thus we see that the Tsukuyomi is a mixture of both these needs.

And perhaps it is because both of these needs, founded in depair, were so mutually strong that they were both expressed, In Itachi's case his loneliness overpowered his need for revenge/grudge and thus we see his Tsukuyomi is stronger than his Amaterasu, while in Sasuke's case his need for revenge drastically overpowered his loneliness, which had been lessened to a degree with Naruto and Sakura being there for him, and thus we see his Amaterasu being stronger than Itachi's.

In Shishui's case both eyes had the same ability, in Obito's case both eyes had the same ability (generally speaking), while in Itachi and Sasukes case both eyes are completely different, representing the 2 things plaguing their hearts. The need for revenge, and the need to understand.

Now the reason it is important is that have a burning desire for revenge is pretty common, I meant more common than most. Which would translate to Amaterasu being farely common within Uchiha. Well I mean as common as the MS is... which isnt that common


Conclusion​

I believe that rather than the Sharingan's MS abilities coming from family, they come from the desires of said Uchiha in the time of their despair. And based like Tobirama says "It aligns itself" with the Uchiha and grants them power.

Keep in mind that the MS doesnt have to be awakened at that time, the abilities merely reflect the desires of the Uchiha during a moment of true despair in their lives.


Enjoy the Read!​
 
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Nice theory...but i think sasuke awakened his sharingan on that night where itachi killed the clan...it was just for a very short time and had like only 1tomoe at each eye....if i remember correctly..
 
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Nice theory=D. but when did madaras mangyekou grant him the ability to see the future?
I was wondering about the same thing lol
Here is a excerpt from one of my other threads:

... with one of Madara's eyes being able to see into the future for about 15 to 20 seconds and then act on it.

If you dont believe thats Madara's MS ability then watch this youtube clip, at 3:25 you can clearly see him activating his MS and then seeing what is about to happen afterwards you see time rewinding and Madara acting on what he just saw.

[video=youtube;uQzxU6eFIoA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQzxU6eFIoA[/video]
 

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I Like This. Actually I think this is actually what it is. I think this is a correct theory because when you think about it the sharingan abilities easily accomplish what the User was feeling. Obito wanted a brand new world a thus received the Kamui.
 

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Nice theory...but i think sasuke awakened his sharingan on that night where itachi killed the clan...it was just for a very short time and had like only 1tomoe at each eye....if i remember correctly..
I just checked and that isnt so... Look up Manga Chapter 222-225.

Dude that was a non canon video game animation. It didn't even show madaras perfect susanoo. it isn't credible.
Fair enough, I will remove the part out Madara's MS

Stop with your stupid tags please.
Why?
 

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I see what you're getting at with Shisui and Obito
But what does Sasuke wanting to see through Haku's techs have to do with Amaterasu?
 

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I just checked and that isnt so... Look up Manga Chapter 222-225.


oh yea?^^ so what about this pic?:

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it was shown little bit later as a some already erassed memories of sasuke...where he threw that kunai at itachi
chapter 403
 

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I see what you're getting at with Shisui and Obito
But what does Sasuke wanting to see through Haku's techs have to do with Amaterasu?
Yah, im actually going to remove that anyways. x__x


oh yea?^^ so what about this pic?:

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it was shown little bit later as a some already erassed memories of sasuke...where he threw that kunai at itachi
chapter 403
Good eye! The pic you showed didnt work but i was able to find it in 403, when will people learn that if you link pictures from the NB Manga then the links will always work.

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Shisui's wishes and MS are clear to me.
Obito's as well.

Sasuke and Itachi have Amaterasu/Kagetsuchi. What kind of desire does this reflect?
Destruction?

Itachi has Tsukuyomi. What kind of desire does this reflect?

What about Susanoo?
 

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he could see the future before he had the sharingan as a kid training with the 1st ho and i thought it was general knowledge that all sharingan could see the future
 

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Shisui's wishes and MS are clear to me.
Obito's as well.

Sasuke and Itachi have Amaterasu/Kagetsuchi. What kind of desire does this reflect?
Destruction?

Itachi has Tsukuyomi. What kind of desire does this reflect?

What about Susanoo?
I just added a section that explains that! =D

I can't find the page where the Second states the fact that he never seen such a Kagetsuchi....
Its linked for you? How incompetant can you be... no offense... Here I will link it here. His exact words are "Ive never seen such a Kagetsuchi".

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Because [FEAR] is not a relevant tag actually its not even a tag at all, it's just a dumb signature of yours to spam your ego.
I have not yet begun to spam my ego, nonetheless I dont see why you hate it so much. Why should it bother you if I sign my threads with my name?

he could see the future before he had the sharingan as a kid training with the 1st ho and i thought it was general knowledge that all sharingan could see the future
Any chance I could get a scan of this? It would be extremely interesting if so, that way I could add it to my thread.

Ah, yes. Make's sense. The Uchiha's have the power of Yin(Imagination). For the feelings to be reflected in the Eye is natural.
Gratz
 
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