[FEAR] How Mangekyo Sharingan Abilities are Granted

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I just added a section that explains that! =D
Thanks. I liked the explanation.
I couldnt find the susanoo explanation though.
What could be the reason for susanoo?
Does it just appear when having 2 ms?
Or only when having Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi?
Shisui had susanoo?
What do you think?
 
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Thanks. I liked the explanation.
I couldnt find the susanoo explanation though.
What could be the reason for susanoo?
Does it just appear when having 2 ms?
Or only when having Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi?
Shisui had susanoo?
What do you think?
Susan'o is simply a generic Jutsu created from both eyes, in a sense it is the physical Manifestation of the special chakra within an Uchiha's brain.

Madara cannot see the future. That clip is from a game, not manga.
Hence why it is no longer in the thread?

Good theory, but I don't believe that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi.
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink. Anyone who believes that is beyond help


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Susan'o is simply a generic Jutsu created from both eyes, in a sense it is the physical Manifestation of the special chakra within an Uchiha's brain.



Hence why it is no longer in the thread?



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Sharingan Genjutsu.

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I am about to post a thread completely debunking this nonsense about Sharingan Genjutsu

But for future knowledge, Sharingan Genjutsu = Both eyes open, Tsukuyomi = One Eye Closed
Edit: We'll see.

But why would Itachi a genjutsu expert find it necessary to use Tsukuyomi then, but not Sasuke?

Is it really a coincidence that Sasuke's genjutsu has never once been referred to as Tsukuyomi?
 
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Maybe Sasuke has Tsukuyomi, but because he is fairly bad with it, he doesnt waste chakra on it yet
and decides to just uses regular sharingan genjutsu until he has improved enough with Tsukuyomi.
 

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Edit: We'll see.

But why would Itachi a genjutsu expert find it necessary to use Tsukuyomi then, but not Sasuke?

Is it really a coincidence that Sasuke's genjutsu has never once been referred to as Tsukuyomi?
I explained that as Itachi being an Edo and thus having Limitless Chakra, while Sasuke on the otherhand needed to reserve his strenght and not waste chakra on Tsukuyomi when it was only being used to get himself out of a genjutsu.



Maybe Sasuke has Tsukuyomi, but because he is fairly bad with it, he doesnt waste chakra on it yet
and decides to just uses regular sharingan genjutsu until he has improved enough with Tsukuyomi.
 

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I dont feel like this link proves that Sasuke cant have it.
It just shows that there isnt proof that he has it.
It leaves chances open for Sasuke to have Tsukuyomi.
It shows 2 things:

1) There is little proof that he has it

2) There is plenty of proof that he has a different MS ability IE , Enton Kagutsuchi

Lack of evidence added with plenty of evidence to the contrary normal indicates something is wrong. But in the thread, that i recently finished editing so I recommend you re-read, I do make a case on how Sasuke may still have Tsukuyomi.
 

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It shows 2 things:

1) There is little proof that he has it

2) There is plenty of proof that he has a different MS ability IE , Enton Kagutsuchi

Lack of evidence added with plenty of evidence to the contrary normal indicates something is wrong. But in the thread, that i recently finished editing so I recommend you re-read, I do make a case on how Sasuke may still have Tsukuyomi.
Yeah it is likely that he has amaterasu and kagutsuchi, but I dont think we can exclude having Tsukuyomi still. Maybe Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi can be counted as one ability or maybe an MS user or EMS user, can have more than 2 abilities excluding Susanoo. Ill go reread to check out the edit.
 

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You made a thread about Sasuke not having Tsukuyomi, so didn't you just kind of contradict yourself? Other than that good read, another quality poster.

Edit: Annnnnd damn it, already covered.

 

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he could see the future before he had the sharingan as a kid training with the 1st ho and i thought it was general knowledge that all sharingan could see the future
Sharingan users can't see the feature. They can read and memorize their opponents movements incredibly well and accurately predict their movements, but it isn't the same as premonition. That's why Naruto was able to over come it w/ chakra arms, because the arms move independently of the body.

That video fear linked wasn't Madara seeing the feature it was the prediction his sharingan showed him.

I am about to post a thread completely debunking this nonsense about Sharingan Genjutsu

But for future knowledge, Sharingan Genjutsu = Both eyes open, Tsukuyomi = One Eye Closed
Itatchi has both eyes open in that panel though.
 
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Yeah it is likely that he has amaterasu and kagutsuchi, but I dont think we can exclude having Tsukuyomi still. Maybe Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi can be counted as one ability or maybe an MS user or EMS user, can have more than 2 abilities excluding Susanoo. Ill go reread to check out the edit.
Perhaps, but its one ability Per eye, and Sasuke obviously uses Kagutsuchi with his non Amaterasu eye. Counting it as 1 ability or not, it is technically 2, as Sasuke uses one eye for Amaterasu and the other for control.

Sharingan users can't see the feature. They can read and memorize their opponents movements incredibly well and accurately predict their movements, but it isn't the same as premonition. That's why Naruto was able to over come it w/ chakra arms, because the arms move independently of the body.

That video fear linked wasn't Madara seeing the feature it was the prediction his sharingan showed him.



Itatchi has both eyes open in that panel though.
You should read the thread i posted x__x
 

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and he also states shortly after he can make out her every image before he makes a move and just think about a experienced vet
I want you to focus on what you just said, "He can make out [his] every image before he makes a move". Now how does this work? Well its because the Sharingan can copy a persons EXACT movements as they do it, which means it can see every single move made by the body, even the slightest ones. Now when you understand that his ability to predict movements because fairly simple.

The human body is pretty much a locomotion system, to move the leg you need to bend the knee, the lean forward in the direction your moving, etc... alot of subtle movements go into moving your body. A Sharingan user can see these movements as they are happening and thus can predict your movements based solely on the moves they see you making. Its not a kind of foresight or mind reading, it is merely looking at a ball about the hit another ball, and understanding that there is only 1 direction that the ball that is about to be hit can go.

Now to say "think about an experienced vet", you need to understand that this ability is not mind reading, but is solely reliant on your opponent moving, and he cant predict movements of a person that hasnt started moving yet. And so someone who is experienced in this may be able to react faster to these predicted movements, but he cant extend or predict more of the movements than the other person. Just as a person who is experienced in watching one ball hit another ball cannot further predict the movement of the ball that is about to get hit.
 
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