[Predictions] Fairy Tail Manga Chapter 384 Discussion and 385 Predictions

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Why are people hating on Lucy and comparing her with natsu and the other if you guys stop and think you would understand......the type of magic Lucy use is not as destructive as natsu and the opponents she is fight are not wizards the demons, she held her own against two demons and the spinning girl despite injuries and limited magic from the previous fight.........
 

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Elaborate further because you have yet to give good detail to how this was a cop out... Virgo/Loke/Aquarius were no match for Jackal and Torafusa.. Why? Because they simply possess more power.. Lucy gains in power to keep them materialized in the human world.. The sprits strength are their own.. And they haven't gotten any stronger.. Add in the fact Lucy was badly injured you actually though she stood a shot in hell against Jackal? Bullshit.

And the summoning wasn't cheap at all if anything Lucy still loses her friend and a rare magical item..

"Lucy should've pulled this off with three gates" lol badly injured and barely powered? Are you thinking logically at all? Because your post looks like a fanboy who didn't get his way..

Lucy's been growing as a character for awhile its not even subtle it's blatantly obvious..

"Natsu can do anything" he's had numerous helping hands in battle.. Lucy helped him beat Franmalrh with quick thinking a few chapters ago.. And his growth as a character keeps going back and forth and ill assume this arc and the next will be all about him growing
this chapter was emotional...
and to me very understanding, people need to realize Natsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lucy
and the ONLY reason Natsu beated Jackal is because he can eat flames/explosions and he just ate them or neutuarlized him from his body. Jackal is a top tier wizard, so saying it was a 1vs1 is like putting Natsu Vs Sting and Rogue. Jackal wouldve whooped all her mages ass and hers.. overall

King of Hades & King Of Spirits.. Interesting
Why are people hating on Lucy and comparing her with natsu and the other if you guys stop and think you would understand......the type of magic Lucy use is not as destructive as natsu and the opponents she is fight are not wizards the demons, she held her own against two demons and the spinning girl despite injuries and limited magic from the previous fight.........
I will reply one more time but won't go in further discussion because it's pointless.

If you carefully read what I said then it is clear that I think that Natsu is miles ahead of Lucy in terms of strength. However where Natsu gets upgrade after upgrade and can beat foes at the most incredible odds through some asspulls here and there. Lucy is always brushed off like 'well done, you needed your friends again go take a rest untill we need to save you again in the next arc'

The fact that her spirits don't evolve into stronger protectors is a huge vulnerability. Why would it even matter at that point how many gates she can open. That's why I said, that she should've cleared this with her three spirits. If her strongest Lion gate and 2 strong fighters can't take 3 mediocre villains in this arc, what will become of her in the future ?

Last chapter she gotten some hype, and showed some backbone like the counterattack could begin now, this chapter she was slapped in the face.

I said breaking the key was cheap. Of course I don't mean the price of breaking the key, but the way out of her situation. It's a cop out because Hiro uses this as a plot device to summon the spirit king out of nowhere.

And you can take my word for it, that key won't be gone for long. This trick has been done so many times in the FT manga, with fake deaths and sentiment.

So in conclusion, I will be satisfied if Lucy can start training her spirits so that she can put up a decent fight or otherwise it doesn't matter if she opens 1,3 or 5 gates.
 
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I will reply one more time but won't go in further discussion because it's pointless.

If you carefully read what I said then it is clear that I think that Natsu is miles ahead of Lucy in terms of strength. However where Natsu gets upgrade after upgrade and can beat foes at the most incredible odds through some asspulls here and there. Lucy is always brushed off like 'well done, you needed your friends again go take a rest untill we need to save you again in the next arc'

The fact that her spirits don't evolve into stronger protectors is a huge vulnerability. Why would it even matter at that point how many gates she can open. That's why I said, that she should've cleared this with her three spirits. If her strongest Lion gate and 2 strong fighters can't take 3 mediocre villains in this arc, what will become of her in the future ?

Last chapter she gotten some hype, and showed some backbone like the counterattack could begin now, this chapter she was slapped in the face.

I said breaking the key was cheap. Of course I don't mean the price of breaking the key, but the way out of her situation. It's a cop out because Hiro uses this as a plot device to summon the spirit king out of nowhere.

And you can take my word for it, that key won't be gone for long. This trick has been done so many times in the FT manga, with fake deaths and sentiment.

So in conclusion, I will be satisfied if Lucy can start training her spirits so that she can put up a decent fight or otherwise it doesn't matter if she opens 1,3 or 5 gates.


1) You're severely downgrading her spirits

2) the demons aren't mediocre in the slightest sense... You said she could take on Jackal(town level character) who's modified in a more powerful body.. The only reason Natsu beat him is due to him being a fire mage

3) explain how she was slapped in the face? If she had taken them out it would've been legit bullshit with Hiro having to explain with bad logic

4) learn what a cop out is
 

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Why not just destroy the key of Plue or the harp lady? Also Leo and Virgo is a lot quicker than that. (or maybe they were so preoccupied by their worry for Lucy summoning 3 at once)
Still gave it 5 for:
Lucy's courage
Aquarius' care for Lucy
Epicness of the spirit king
The ever annoying Lamy being shot in the face
 

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1) You're severely downgrading her spirits

2) the demons aren't mediocre in the slightest sense... You said she could take on Jackal(town level character) who's modified in a more powerful body.. The only reason Natsu beat him is due to him being a fire mage

3) explain how she was slapped in the face? If she had taken them out it would've been legit bullshit with Hiro having to explain with bad logic

4) learn what a cop out is
1) Downgrading the spirits ? They didn't even get a hit in. One enemy just walked away the other one was blown up by her friend. Spirits aren't even close to this level

2) The demons are decent but they are just the mid level guys in this arc. If Lucy can't win of them it's just bull. If she isn't on that level who will take the likes of Silver, Minerva, the demon Mira fought etc. Those are the big shots. Lucy isn't able to beat a spinning girl gimmick character. That's sad after the build up from last week.

3) Hiro is known for his bullshit. Everybody is getting free power ups left and right. Everybody is winning the most crazy match ups yet they win with the power of friendship. Lucy is more helpless than princess Peach from Mario at this point. Good build up and power scaling was out of the window since chapter 2, only Lucy doesn't get it.

4) Cop out is not taking your responsibility because you are to weak and take the easy way out.
 

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Wow anticlimactic after last week's chapter.

Apparently it was too much to ask for a good Lucy fight and show her growth as a main character. Natsu can do ANYTHING, but Lucy can't control 3 out of the 12 keys at the same time. Wouldn't be that much of a stretch if she was able to do that after 385 chapters and power ups.

Hiro gave her the easy way out of breaking a key, which feels kind of a cheap way to summon the strongest spirit there is. I liked the ideas of being able to summon all 12 at the same time more before you are able to summon him, as was discussed in last week's thread.

Spirit king is cool and them feels were so sad, but it felt so unnecessary. He blew one of his friends up and the other walked away. It was a simple 1 vs 1 and Lucy didn't get her time to shine.

What probably irks me the most is how this will be handled in the future, because there is no way that 1 of the 12 keys will be broken forever, it will probably be restored by 'the bond between human and spirit' or some crap.

Virgo and Loki got 1 hit KO'ed this chapter by some henchmen of the big bad. How will they stand up against enemies in the future if they can't even do a single thing with 2 strong spirits and the strongest gate of the Lion ?

Lucy should've pulled this off with 3 gates, if three spirits in a unison raid would be able to summon the spirit king to take their place I would be more understanding than what happened now. This is a cop out.
I feel as though you and many other missed a huge point in the Manga. It was shown that Torafusa and Leo was on equal footing last chapter and Torafusa this chapter still didn't get the upper hand on Leo, Jackal did but Jackal got the upper hand on on Leo and Virgo although Aquarius was overpowering him for the most part. If this was Lucy vs Any of these members Solo it was kinda of hinted she would have won given the individual situations. It went from great matchups to bad matchups.

For example:

Lucy vs Jackal: If Lucy can summon 3 spirits a combo between Aquarius, Sagittarius and Taurus would have dealt with Jackal like mid difficulty. If Aquarius alone with the water was overpowering Jackal then Taurus using his axe to absorb the water and make and even bigger attacks just adds to overpowering Jackal. Sagittarius arrow speed can match a bullet and it sheer power can pierce machines. If Sagittarius time his arrows correctly he can pierce critical places on Jackals body for instances immobilize his sight, then his Legs, Then his arms giving the pure advantage to Team Lucy in which a barrage of arrows piercing his body could finish him off. Sagittarius is a master archer stating setting machines on fire is mere child's play and his arrows has shown to posses power and speed so something like this shouldn't be a problem.

Lucy vs Torafusa: From what I saw from Torafusa I would say Leo could more than likely finish him off mid-high difficulty.From what I saw from Torafusa low difficulty but by hype high difficulty. I don't know if that is his full ability so I won't jump to conclusions.

Lucy vs Lamy: Do even need to explain? Lucy+Virgo Kick



I really feel like Hiro just wanted to introduce the Celestial spirit king really bad which is okay but I feel like he should have waited until He couldn't find a legit way to get Lucy out of trouble. Although given the situation I guess considering Lucy can't take on all of them at once and she is running low on magical power. Also Lucy can still summon 3 spirits at the same time which is why she can summon the spirit King.
 

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1) Downgrading the spirits ? They didn't even get a hit in. One enemy just walked away the other one was blown up by her friend. Spirits aren't even close to this level

2) The demons are decent but they are just the mid level guys in this arc. If Lucy can't win of them it's just bull. If she isn't on that level who will take the likes of Silver, Minerva, the demon Mira fought etc. Those are the big shots. Lucy isn't able to beat a spinning girl gimmick character. That's sad after the build up from last week.

3) Hiro is known for his bullshit. Everybody is getting free power ups left and right. Everybody is winning the most crazy match ups yet they win with the power of friendship. Lucy is more helpless than princess Peach from Mario at this point. Good build up and power scaling was out of the window since chapter 2, only Lucy doesn't get it.

4) Cop out is not taking your responsibility because you are to weak and take the easy way out.

@ Bold - Stop bashing FT here,If you don't like the way how it is going,just move on........Your entire Points are just Bullshit,you are talking like FT is only one with those free powerups,power of friendship etc..,

@ Red - Don't you dare to Speak in that disrespectful manner;Powerscaling is not a factor in FT
 
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@ Bold - Stop bashing FT here,If you don't like the way how it is going,just move on........Your entire Points are just Bullshit,you are talking like FT is only one with those free powerups,power of friendship etc..,

@ Red - Don't you dare to Speak in that disrespectful manner;Powerscaling is not a factor in FT
Didn't know we lived in North Korea and we couldn't criticize a chapter. Look at last weeks thread, I praised that chapter, but the build up from that chapter was destroyed in this one.

FT is maybe not the only one, but it is the one that has it the most. Let me list a few:

*FT with a few members beating grimmoire heart, the strongest dark guild.
*Elfman winning from Bacchus, just because he defended himself, while he was said to be Erza level
*Instead of training the unlocked second origin, very convenient
*Cana with her gift, fairy glitter. Here you go use one of the three big spells form the guild without working for it
*Natsu vs. Sting AND Rouge in Dragon mode
*Kagura destroys erzas strongest armor with her sword undrawn, but when her sword IS drawn Erza can block it. ??
*Erza's miracle win against that tree guy

So maybe you should look a bit more objective to some of the shitty writing thats happening here and there, instead of telling me what i can or can't say.

Fairy tail is an amusing manga, but nothing more than that. Also nothing wrong with that but don't attack me if I call it and tell me that it's bullshit. Because there are tons of manga with better build up. Bottom line is that THE main character Lucy is shoved aside by Natsu who has taken over, and that Lucy is always in need of rescue. I was getting my hopes up after last week, But meh Spirit king shortcut .
 

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Didn't know we lived in North Korea and we couldn't criticize a chapter. Look at last weeks thread, I praised that chapter, but the build up from that chapter was destroyed in this one.

FT is maybe not the only one, but it is the one that has it the most. Let me list a few:

*FT with a few members beating grimmoire heart, the strongest dark guild.
*Elfman winning from Bacchus, just because he defended himself, while he was said to be Erza level
*Instead of training the unlocked second origin, very convenient
*Cana with her gift, fairy glitter. Here you go use one of the three big spells form the guild without working for it
*Natsu vs. Sting AND Rouge in Dragon mode
*Kagura destroys erzas strongest armor with her sword undrawn, but when her sword IS drawn Erza can block it. ??
*Erza's miracle win against that tree guy

So maybe you should look a bit more objective to some of the shitty writing thats happening here and there, instead of telling me what i can or can't say.

Fairy tail is an amusing manga, but nothing more than that. Also nothing wrong with that but don't attack me if I call it and tell me that it's bullshit. Because there are tons of manga with better build up. Bottom line is that THE main character Lucy is shoved aside by Natsu who has taken over, and that Lucy is always in need of rescue. I was getting my hopes up after last week, But meh Spirit king shortcut .
Hater, stupid hater
 

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You can believe what you want but like I said Don't bash FT/Hiro Mashima
Hater, stupid hater
This is not what I believe, those are facts. And if you actually cared to read what I said you would also see that I'm not hating or bashing on Fairy Tail. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't read it.

However this is a discussion thread, not a praise thread. If one week I like the chapter, like last week, I give the credits. But if it's not such a great chapter, like this week I will also say what I think about. Because Hiro is not exactly Dan Brown or J.K. Rowling. Sometimes there are things that just don't add up.

That doesn't make me a hater. You are also allowed to have your opinions but I don't see you bringing arguments to counter what I listed. So that's a bit childish while I have structured criticism.
 

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This is not what I believe, those are facts. And if you actually cared to read what I said you would also see that I'm not hating or bashing on Fairy Tail. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't read it.

However this is a discussion thread, not a praise thread. If one week I like the chapter, like last week, I give the credits. But if it's not such a great chapter, like this week I will also say what I think about. Because Hiro is not exactly Dan Brown or J.K. Rowling. Sometimes there are things that just don't add up.

That doesn't make me a hater. You are also allowed to have your opinions but I don't see you bringing arguments to counter what I listed. So that's a bit childish while I have structured criticism.
@ Bold - Good to know

@ Underline - I didn't countered your arguements because I know you're saying your Opinions,You can freely have it your way but why I replied first time to your post up there is I didn't liked that criticism of yours saying hiro is known for his bs..etc..,.........but the way you responded after my last quote.........

............Then I guess it can't be helped


Didn't know we lived in North Korea and we couldn't criticize a chapter. Look at last weeks thread, I praised that chapter, but the build up from that chapter was destroyed in this one.

FT is not the only one, but it is the one that has it the most. Let me list a few:
*FT with a few members beating grimmoire heart, the strongest dark guild.
Few members??Are you sure??......FT vs GH are all high diff fight,they barely won........Yes,GH is strongest dark guild but FT is strongest guild of fiore

*Elfman winning from Bacchus, just because he defended himself, while he was said to be Erza level
Lol......Bacchus is only on Erza's before timeskip,After timeskip,nope.And moreover,Elfman only won because of his strongest defence takeover Lizardman which is a worst match up for a Palm stike Wizards like Bacchus.You can't expect someone to beat Lizardman whose body is completely full of sharp scales just with his bare fists...Elfman Barely won that fight

*Instead of training the unlocked second origin, very convenient
Lol...Ultear used a magic to unlock Second Origin in those FT crew members.Second Origin means nothing but increasing the user's Magic power a many times and it doesn't give you new set of abilities,it only increases magic power and that will not take months to master.Erza is the exception which she had SO all along with her form very start

*Cana with her gift, fairy glitter. Here you go use one of the three big spells form the guild without working for it
Cana didn't got Fairy Glitter when she is about hit MPF.Mavis said she lent her FG believing in that,she would master it.This is cana's not first time to use it,She already used back in Tenroujima and failed....And then she would have mastered it.......there is time gap

*Natsu vs. Sting AND Rouge in Dragon mode
It is already stated in Manga that Sting and Rougue's DF is Half-Baked.And Natsu is Presumably stronger than both of them.

*Kagura destroys erzas strongest armor with her sword undrawn, but when her sword IS drawn Erza can block it. ??
Lmao......What?? Erza is only using First Origin against Kagura and she can use Second origin at her will,She can increase her Power at small bursts,that is how she Blocked Kagura's Sword.Erza's magic is requipp,she can change sword or her armours differently or mixedly at her will,which allows her to increase her abilities.When fighting Kagura she used "Demon blade - Crimson Sakura" Sword but used the sowrd of "Armadura fairy" Armour afterhat.Different set of swords and different Armours give her unique abilities

Sword Magic (剣の魔法 Ken no Mahō): In addition to her signature Magic, Requip, Erza is also an extremely talented user of Sword Magic. As the name implies, this is a type of Magic which revolves around the use of swords. Through the use of this Magic, Erza is capable of using her swords to perform different Magical attacks. This is usually done in combination with specific armors of hers, which can make her deadlier in close melee combat or, when combined with her. It is also shown in the anime that she can also combine different armors with other swords from other armors to either block or attack using deadlier force and mixing different elements together.
*Erza's miracle win against that tree guy
Yes,that Indeed is miracle and outstanding win.Azuma concentrated all of the Power he took from Tenroujima and FT to land a hit on Erza,but that is Tenroujima,holy sacred tree,which is meant to protect the FT guild members,So those went of control from Azuma.......And that is Power of Feelings U_U


So maybe you should look a bit more objective to some of the shitty writing thats happening here and there, instead of telling me what i can or can't say.
Say that to yourself

Fairy tail is an amusing manga, but nothing more than that. Also nothing wrong with that but don't attack me if I call it and tell me that it's bullshit. Because there are tons of manga with better build up. Bottom line is that THE main character Lucy is shoved aside by Natsu who has taken over, and that Lucy is always in need of rescue. I was getting my hopes up after last week, But meh Spirit king shortcut .
Yes I agree,Amusing+It has some Mysteries around too
>>>>>>
>>>>>>

Yes,that is Kinda bad,but Natsu is hero and Lucy is Heroine
 
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Hiro just copied things again from Rave (the silver ray arc/fight).. first the way Wendy and Carla thought they had to destroy Face by exploding and dieing with it was the exact way Reina did to destroy a helluva weapon in Rave by destroying its core and dieing along in its explosion..
Second in this chapter to use a very very very strong magic (summoning the spirit king) lucy had to destroy one of her keys were the owner and the spirit have mutual trust so lucy can summon the spirit king and defeat her strong enemies. in Rave, Reina and Musica had to use the strongest silver claiming technique, the silver bond, to defeat one of their strong enemies and to use this silver bond the two users must share mutual trust.
 
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