Fact Analysis of "The One That Knows Everything"

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I know there are a few threads guessing the identity, but I think some analysis needs to be done on Sasuke's "The One That Knows Everything" comment. Everyone guesses without giving any thought to what "everything" is.

Inf 591, Itachi releases the edo, leaving Sasuke in a cave, alone, with an identity crisis stricken Kabuto.
He starts to say, "I'm...," but he stops.

In 592, Sasuke does not finish the sentence he started, because, in looking at Kabuto, he realizes that he, too, does not know who he is or who he should be. He has Unanswerable Questions:

"What is a Clan? He thinks of his father's idea of the clan, in contrast to his brother's.

"What is a Village?" He thinks of Konoha, and the Surutobi crew, who were all complicit in the destruction of his clan, but he also thinks off the other kage, including the Fifth, in contrast, doing what they can to save all clans.

"What is a Shinobi?" And he thinks about Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, and the rest of the Konoha 11, who have gone to incredible ends to try to save him from himself.

"What am I?" He thinks of his sharingan, his anger, and Kabuto's pitiful existence living lie after lie.

Sasuke has always defined himself as an Uchiha, but what should that mean? He realizes now that he has no idea. He wants to stand in the memories of all as the ultimate representative of what it is to be Uchiha, but he simply does not know what that example should be.

Before he can consider it, he hears that Madara is alive still, and this causes him to resume thoughts about who he should be.

He thinks about his brother, and how his brother believed that what was right for the village and the Uchiha clan were consistent with each other. Shisui, too, another of the greatest names among the Uchiha, felt the two were symbiotic.

He also remembers that his brother felt that it was his duty, for Konoha, to end edo, and Madara, in his continued existence, is an insult to the success of Itachi's mission.

Before he can speak, Suigetsu gives him the scroll.

We know the scroll:
(1) Has information or power that enables the wielder to rule the shinobi world.
(2) The scroll was in orochimaru's testing layer, where Edo was perfected.
(3) The scroll is "it." "The clan. the village. I'm going to meet the one who knows everything."
(4) However, Orochimaru, upon seeing the scroll, said, "What do you want to meet them for?"
(5) To speak to them, they must travel to someplace very familiar to Sasuke.

I've got my own theories, but, using the totality of these facts, can someone clearly delineate their position on who the "one" is (i.e. not just saying "Izuna" and walking away but actually going through how Izuna meets these requirements)?
 
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i think the one who knows all is fugaku. fugaku knew about the plan to take over because it was his own. fugaku also didn't seem to be upset with itachi before he was killed. I think sasuke being a guy who always seems to want a powerful older male to follow, (oro and tobito) i think he wants to talk to his dad about what he should do. the uchiha hideout is a place he "knows very well" also
 

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Hmm, I think the Uchiha hideout is definitely the place. It would make sense that this is the place he knows very well. But Fugaku? Why would he be listed in the scroll? And how could information about Fugaku, as Suigetsu said, give them the power to rule the shinobi world?

My stumbling point in all of my theories on this is "What is it to be a village?" Who would know that answer?

For instance, if we run with Izuna, he knows clans, shinobis, the Uchiha, he can relate to the sacrifice of Itachi and Shisui, as the all powerful Madara's brother, he could change the world, Orochimaru is obviously interested in Uchihas, Izuna knows a ton of stuff about almost everything, them could refer to the fact that the scroll may allow him to commune with past Uchihas generally, and it would make sense that the ceremony would have to be performed under the shrine.

But what does Izuna know about why the village was founded? He sacrificed himself to give the Uchiha the upper hand in the battles vs the Senju. So, there's my stumbling point. The village was created after the battles and after the truce.

So, who can either bridge that gap or otherwise come up with a better theory?
 

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A place Sasuke knows well already narrows down the options. It could be:
-Konoha.
-An Uchiha hideout.
-One of Orochimaru's hideouts/labs.

Who could they possibly meet there, assuming the ones who they want to meet are alive?
-The remaining 2 living elders who knew of the Uchiha massacre.
-Some of Oro's test subjects.

But if you consider the scroll and its power, even though Orochimaru wasn't at all impressed by its contents...

It will be some very powerful shinobi being resurrected by Edo Tensei.
Possibilities are:
-So6P and/or his sons (very unlikely).
-Either or all of the previous 4 Hokage (unlikely, unless Oro can reverse Reaper Death Seal).
-Deceased members of the Uchiha clan (possibly his parents). (likely, seeing as they will know about the village, the clan and the Uchiha shinobi's hunger for power.
 

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Kelden and Ryan, the Orochimaru Lab makes sense for the place... agreed. That's actually quite likely.

But, Ryan, how could Sasuke's parents give Suigetsu and Hawk the power to control the shinobi world?
 

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Kelden and Ryan, the Orochimaru Lab makes sense for the place... agreed. That's actually quite likely.

But, Ryan, how could Sasuke's parents give Suigetsu and Hawk the power to control the shinobi world?
Hmm... true. Maybe it's more than just his parents, maybe they're going to resurrect the entire police force or something. A large number of Edo Tensei'd Uchiha clan members would be very powerful...
 

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Hmm, I think the Uchiha hideout is definitely the place. It would make sense that this is the place he knows very well. But Fugaku? Why would he be listed in the scroll? And how could information about Fugaku, as Suigetsu said, give them the power to rule the shinobi world?

My stumbling point in all of my theories on this is "What is it to be a village?" Who would know that answer?

For instance, if we run with Izuna, he knows clans, shinobis, the Uchiha, he can relate to the sacrifice of Itachi and Shisui, as the all powerful Madara's brother, he could change the world, Orochimaru is obviously interested in Uchihas, Izuna knows a ton of stuff about almost everything, them could refer to the fact that the scroll may allow him to commune with past Uchihas generally, and it would make sense that the ceremony would have to be performed under the shrine.

But what does Izuna know about why the village was founded? He sacrificed himself to give the Uchiha the upper hand in the battles vs the Senju. So, there's my stumbling point. The village was created after the battles and after the truce.

So, who can either bridge that gap or otherwise come up with a better theory?
Hashirama still has a clone coupled with Yamato. Orochimaru is tied very closely to both. Hashirama created the village system.
 
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Honestly at this point it could be anyone even someone were far from expecting but yes it would make since to bring back the uchiha higher ups such as fugaku,shisui or izuna cause they would know more of the information sasuke seeks. but my opinion on the scrolls is i believe its the edo tensei jutsu meaning whoever they bring back has the power to stop this war or have the all the information oh konoha period....but my thing is with orochimaru he even said himself hes still after sasuke's body im curious to see if orochimaru might try to set him up or actually guide him through his quest for answers theres alot that could happen with this....but these are my opinions so im not trying to persuade nor do i think im right just trying to put it together like everyone else.
 

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the only people to come in my mind to know "everything" are the first of the kages, and madara.
Hashirama was the wery first alongside Madara to establish the Village of Konoha.. then every other nation followed..

So my main quess is Hashirama.. Or the any of the wery first kages.. I know hashi is like completely impossible.. unless there is a way to undo the death reaper seal..
 

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the only people to come in my mind to know "everything" are the first of the kages, and madara.
Hashirama was the wery first alongside Madara to establish the Village of Konoha.. then every other nation followed..

So my main quess is Hashirama.. Or the any of the wery first kages.. I know hashi is like completely impossible.. unless there is a way to undo the death reaper seal..
Unless like Orochimaru he was never fully sealed. Think about it Orochimaru killed by Sasuke, revived via curse mark sealed forever in sword of Totsuka, revived via Anko's cursemark and Kabuto's sage mode DNA. Hashirama killed during war, revived via Edo Tensei, sealed by DRS and currently has his clone taken and cultivated from the DNA that Madara obtained and being amplified by Yamato.

Interesting parallels? Coincidence? We will know soon enough.
 
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Shisui...

1. Kotoamatsukami has the power to change the tides of war.
2. Shisui is dead...
3. Shisui knows of the clan & the village. He knew more than Itachi did, Oh what!?
4. Big O said 'them', so not to sure about that part. Could be speaking about the clan as a whole.
5. Maybe the scroll contained information on where Shisui's body was placed. Going to retrieve it for edo.

6. There is still a lot of information we don't know about Shisui. This would be the perfect opportunity for Kishi to reveal the info about him and make him relevant to the story line.
7. Shisui... Just say Shisui...Shisui, it's fun to say.
 
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Theres so many ways kishi can make this, loving the suspence lol but seriously i think his answers are either in 2 places hes been with konohagakure til the whole search for power/revenge quest n hes been with orochimaru for 3 years besides those to idk where it could be,maybe the uchiha hideout but that was obliterated when sasuke fought itachi,kinda hard to suggest that area who knows maybe even his house where itachi killed his parents,so many conclusions loving it cant wait to find out who this mysterious character will be and what answers he gives sasuke 8D
 

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going with Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen

Hashi should know everything about the village system as he made it and they need someone to stop Madara.
the question is if Oro can break the seal and release all the previous kages, surely apart from Hashirama, Tobirama too should know a lot given that he was the one who came up with the military police and Hiruzen was also involved back then in all that was happening.
 
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