Even if Madara used Genjutsu on Hashirama, Hashirama > Madara

[Wood Release]

There has been many theories to how Madara survived. Was it Tsukuyomi? Was it Izanami? Did he just survive? Many believe that he used some sort of Genjutsu which resulted in Hashirama thinking he killed Madara, which he didn't, and Madara went on to do his jazz.

People use this as solid evidence that Madara > Hashirama. However this is not the case. Hashirama is still stronger than Madara if you take into account that they fought countless numbers of battles and Hashirama won one after another. Also keep in mind that Madara was controlling Kurama. It was two vs one and Hashirama beat both.

Hashirama is still stronger than Madara regardless of Genjutsu.

 

[Misconception]

Don't say it was two vs one Madara was controlling Kyuubi while fighting Hashirama and using Perfect Susanoo im pretty sure that put a strain on him. Saying that is like saying Naruto/Killer bee never fights in a 1v1 battle.

 

[UchihaKira]

Don't say it was two vs one Madara was controlling Kyuubi while fighting Hashirama and using Perfect Susanoo im pretty sure that put a strain on him. Saying that is like saying Naruto/Killer bee never fights in a 1v1 battle.

Being a jinchuuriki and controlling a bijuu via sharingan are two completely different things

 

[Draphsin]

Don't say it was two vs one Madara was controlling Kyuubi while fighting Hashirama and using Perfect Susanoo im pretty sure that put a strain on him. Saying that is like saying Naruto/Killer bee never fights in a 1v1 battle.

EXACTLY

Im glad you get it, you deserve rep

OT: Madara is not stronger, only fanboys say so...This thread has been made so many times. Im only posting to correct you and anybody else who thinks kurama isnt a part of EMS madara....

 

[Wood Release]

Don't say it was two vs one Madara was controlling Kyuubi while fighting Hashirama and using Perfect Susanoo im pretty sure that put a strain on him. Saying that is like saying Naruto/Killer bee never fights in a 1v1 battle.

He was controlling another entity that fought for him. It is like Edo Tensei.

 

[Draphsin]

Being a jinchuuriki and controlling a bijuu via sharingan are two completely different things

No they are not

They are both utilizing the bijuu's chakra. It doesnt matter about the circumstance in which they're being controlled. They still belong to the person controlling them until taken away by force, just like a ninja tool

 

[UchihaKira]

No they are not

They are both utilizing the bijuu's chakra. It doesnt matter about the circumstance in which they're being controlled. They still belong to the person controlling them until taken away by force, just like a ninja tool

Madara was not "utilizing the bijuus chakra" in the same way a jinchuuriki does. I agree they both use them as a ninja tool but the method is different therefore the difficulty/effectiveness is different. However disregarding all of that Hashirama still > Madara.

 

[Misconception]

Being a jinchuuriki and controlling a bijuu via sharingan are two completely different things

But bee and Naruto both Take advise and listen to Kurama and Hachibi so you can still say there getting help. And using there chakra people say Karin help Sasuke so much and the fight with Danzo all she did was give him advise and chakra simliar to a bijuu right?

He was controlling another entity that fought for him. It is like Edo Tensei.

Hashirama didn't say the fight with Madara and Kurama all he said was the fight with Madara. So in his mind it was Madara power Atm.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

No they are not

They are both utilizing the bijuu's chakra. It doesnt matter about the circumstance in which they're being controlled. They still belong to the person controlling them until taken away by force, just like a ninja tool

Are you an idiot or a fail troll?

Is it not obvious the difference between becoming a Bijuuu, which is basically what Jinchuuriki do and controlling a Bijuu from the outside as a pet of sorts, which is what Sharingan users do.

???

Morons, morons everywhere.

 

[Draphsin]

Madara was not "utilizing the bijuus chakra" in the same way a jinchuuriki does. I agree they both use them as a ninja tool but the method is different therefore the difficulty/effectiveness is different. However disregarding all of that Hashirama still > Madara.

@bold: you agree that they are both weapons to be used by whoever can control them, saying its a 1v2 for madara means 1v2 for naruto.

Btw he uses tbb's, thats utilizing kurama's chakra

Anyways Hashi >= EMS Madara, they are near equal. Hashi wins with extreme difficulty,

 

[UchihaKira]

But bee and Naruto both Take advise and listen to Kurama and Hachibi so you can still say there getting help. And using there chakra people say Karin help Sasuke so much and the fight with Danzo all she did was give him advise and chakra simliar to a bijuu right?

Yup youre absolutely right, "fair" doesnt exist in the real world, it doesnt exist in the naruto world. I hate when people try to argue shit like that. WHO CARES who got help from who, all that matters is the outcome.

 

[UchihaKira]

@bold: you agree that they are both weapons to be used by whoever can control them, saying its a 1v2 for madara means 1v2 for naruto.

Btw he uses tbb's, thats utilizing kurama's chakra

Anyways Hashi >= EMS Madara, they are near equal. Hashi wins with extreme difficulty,

I never said it was 2 vs 1? I just said you cant compare the way Madara use Kurama to how Naruto or Bee use Kurama/Hachibi. I never said he doesnt utilize its chakra AT ALL either.. I said in a different way..

sorry for double post lol

 

[Lawliet L]

Don't say it was two vs one Madara was controlling Kyuubi while fighting Hashirama and using Perfect Susanoo im pretty sure that put a strain on him. Saying that is like saying Naruto/Killer bee never fights in a 1v1 battle.

jinchuriki and controlinh it is not the same, anyways, your sig is so badass~

 

[cjayz 007]

hashirama>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> madara, madara sad so himself, u mad?

 

[Draphsin]

Are you an idiot or a fail troll?

Is it not obvious the difference between becoming a Bijuuu, which is basically what Jinchuuriki do and controlling a Bijuu from the outside as a pet of sorts?

Missing the point....

They both utilize that bijuu's chakra as a weapon, exactly the same concept as a ninja tool.

I never said it was 2 vs 1? I just said you cant compare the way Madara use Kurama to how Naruto or Bee use Kurama/Hachibi. I never said he doesnt utilize its chakra AT ALL either.. I said in a different way..

sorry for double post lol

My point is kurama is naruto's power just as much as it is madara's, control is irrelevant.

 

[Misconception]

jinchuriki and controlinh it is not the same, anyways, your sig is so badass~

Thanks but reply to my arguements not my first post i have already said an argument for this.

 

[UchihaKira]

Missing the point....

They both utilize that bijuu's chakra as a weapon, exactly the same concept as a ninja tool.



My point is kurama is naruto's power just as much as it is madara's, control is irrelevant.[/QUOTE

You have no point other than arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Missing the point....

They both utilize that bijuu's chakra as a weapon, exactly the same concept as a ninja tool.

No.

Jinchuuriki use the Bijuuu chakra.

The Sharingan gives the user control over how the Bijuu act, I.E firing TB, smashing up the leaf.

Tell me the last time Madara or Obito went Tail Beast Mode, you are so insipid.

 

[the last shinobi]

Being a jinchuuriki and controlling a bijuu via sharingan are two completely different things

How so, Jinchuuriki are using the Bijuu against their will just like a someone using a sharingan only difference is that the sharingan doesn't steal their chakra

 

[Misconception]

Draphsin is making a good point using a Bijuu and controlling it it just as much power as having it as a Jinchuriki. P.s it does not matter Hashirama didn't say it was an unfair fight because Madara obtained the Kyuubi so it's his power.