Even if Edo Madara was not Edo, he'd still beat Hashirama

[GiantShuriken]

Right right, but if you remember, sasuke had to practice lee's speed to get it down.

Madara may have the ability to fight like hashi did in his prime, but we don't know if he CAN (knowledge and experience). Mostly because we don't know what hashi was like.

You can see someone do something 1000 times but it's not the same as doing it once. Like we know that madara saw hashirama use mokuton but that doesn't mean he knew what the sensation was like while using it, or what was going throw hashi's mind, and how he strategized his mokuton.

And again i bring up those pesky scrolls and the mystery of hashis power.

I'm not saying hashi would win, and right now it's definitely advantage madara.. it's just we don't know for sure he would win.

I understand Hashi is mysterious and we don't know a lot about him. But everything that puts Hashirama above Madara, Madara will have as well or if he doesn't, he CAN have it once he engages him with his Sharingan. Madara has Hashirama's DNA and is possibly the greatest shinobi of all time outside of SO6P even before he had it. So whatever Hashirama can do, Madara will also be able to do. Having Hashi's DNA gives you his lifeforce and strength. Look at how much having Hashi's DNA did for Obito who was one of the worst shinobi among the Uchiha. He can now spam MS + Rinnegan techniques all day without even coming close to running low on chakra. Madara can do the same with Hashi's DNA, plus he is flat out better on top of that.

 

[cLang cLang]

No, just no.

 

[Thegreatflash]

I understand Hashi is mysterious and we don't know a lot about him. But everything that puts Hashirama above Madara, Madara will have as well or if he doesn't, he CAN have it once he engages him with his Sharingan. Madara has Hashirama's DNA and is possibly the greatest shinobi of all time outside of SO6P even before he had it. So whatever Hashirama can do, Madara will also be able to do. Having Hashi's DNA gives you his lifeforce and strength. Look at how much having Hashi's DNA did for Obito who was one of the worst shinobi among the Uchiha. He can now spam MS + Rinnegan techniques all day without even coming close to running low on chakra. Madara can do the same with Hashi's DNA, plus he is flat out better on top of that.

False.

For one. Madara can't have the scrolls on hashirama's back, and we don't know how important or unimportant that may be. (only one point is needed to disprove that argument)

 

[GiantShuriken]

False.

For one. Madara can't have the scrolls on hashirama's back, and we don't know how important or unimportant that may be. (only one point is needed to disprove that argument)

lmao, touche.

 

[r0ck3t]

What a dumb thread, call it fantasy within a fantasy. Hashirama's dead and Madara never got to use his rinnegan or new abilities while being an old fart. They were given to him. A product of Orochimaru whether you like it or not. Keep dreaming about this battle. Never happen, never will.

 

[shelke]

What a dumb thread, call it fantasy within a fantasy. Hashirama's dead and Madara never got to use his rinnegan or new abilities while being an old fart. They were given to him. A product of Orochimaru whether you like it or not. Keep dreaming about this battle. Never happen, never will.

What? When did Orochimaru come into the mix? lol

 

[KidGamer65]

What a dumb thread, call it fantasy within a fantasy. Hashirama's dead and Madara never got to use his rinnegan or new abilities while being an old fart. They were given to him. A product of Orochimaru whether you like it or not. Keep dreaming about this battle. Never happen, never will.

Most of the battles between characters on NarutoBase will never happen, that's why they are all hypothetical battles.

 

[GiantShuriken]

What a dumb thread, call it fantasy within a fantasy. Hashirama's dead and Madara never got to use his rinnegan or new abilities while being an old fart. They were given to him. A product of Orochimaru whether you like it or not. Keep dreaming about this battle. Never happen, never will.

Who said this battle will ever happen? Its hypothetical, much like most battles hypothesized on here.

 

['Nāpalm]

No, just no.

Says the guy who thinks sasuke stomps nagato

 

[TheSages456]

even if madara is an edo, hashirama still wins and thats kishi canon.

 

[Harry Balzac]

Obviously. But you never know with the "will of of fire" Hashirama would jump 20 lvls

 

[raminet]

isnt this obvious?

 

[3MESSIAH]

this is self-explanatory yes

 

[Invsblphntm]

This is silly. You're basically Edo Madara without the Edo, right? That doesn't exist.

Madara with Rinnegan and the Senju DNA is old as hell, and will get raped by Hashi.

Madara with EMS and Senju DNA is still, getting raped by Hashi. Why? Hashi > Madara at Mokuton, its not Mokuton + EMS >>>> Mokuton, its more like Mokuton done correctly can beat Mokuton and EMS.

I'm really not sure why people try and make it as if its Mokuton + EMS, its actually Mokuton/EMS.

By the way, Hashi still has his medical ninjutsu, his sealing techs, and all of the forbidden jutsu he has a knowledge of, so Madara is still lacking in that department.

 

[Naruto king of Shinobi]

Perhaps

 

[GiantShuriken]

This is silly. You're basically Edo Madara without the Edo, right? That doesn't exist.

Madara with Rinnegan and the Senju DNA is old as hell, and will get raped by Hashi.

Madara with EMS and Senju DNA is still, getting raped by Hashi. Why? Hashi > Madara at Mokuton, its not Mokuton + EMS >>>> Mokuton, its more like Mokuton done correctly can beat Mokuton and EMS.

Whatever superiority Hashi has over Madara in using Mokuton, Madara steals with his Sharingan and becomes just as good. Like what Sasuke did to Lee. Except Madara is just as strong/fast/has just as much chakra due to having his cells. Whatever makes Hashi special and skilled, Madara has too.

 

[Turson]

Its simple for me:
EMS, Mokuton and Rinnegan > Mokuton

Madara > Hashirama

 

[NarutoSageUzumaki]

Hashirama has more abilities than the wood release .

and also

if Madara was not edo , he wouldnt have all of the abilities of Hashirama that he has now

 

[Prince Charles]

Agreed.

 

[Turson]

Hashirama has more abilities than the wood release .

I doubt these abilities would be on par with Rinnegan.