"Enton has no mass" lol

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

It's funny cuz these feats are EMS Sasuke feats for a start and ama can engulf a susano sword which is actually fully solid.

Raikage kick will get through flames regardless. Most retarded thing I've seen in so long. This isn't just a NV thing. Genuinly worry for some of you guys. Probably try to drink soil next. **** it.

Liquid = solids = gas in mass among other things while we're at it.

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Fire and lightening are the same state in real life. In the manga lightening can become solid as you can see ^. So what is stopping amaterasu?

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

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Fire and lightening are the same state in real life. In the manga lightening can become solid as you can see ^. So what is stopping amaterasu?

"Plasma is the stuff of lightning, flame and stars. Plasma is neither solid, liquid nor gas—plasma is a fourth state of matter."

"Lightning is a sudden electrostatic discharge during an electrical storm between electrically charged regions of a cloud (called intra-cloud lightning or IC), between that cloud and another cloud (CC lightning), or between a cloud and the ground (CG lightning)."

Lightning is generally discharged quicker and strong and infused with chakra. Hence why it knocks down trees and shit irl whereas fire doesn't.

Sasuke can clearly manipulate and refine his lightning style a lot more. Flames just work differently by nature. They devour and spread.

Another thing. This isn't real XD

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

"Plasma is the stuff of lightning, flame and stars. Plasma is neither solid, liquid nor gas—plasma is a fourth state of matter."

"Lightning is a sudden electrostatic discharge during an electrical storm between electrically charged regions of a cloud (called intra-cloud lightning or IC), between that cloud and another cloud (CC lightning), or between a cloud and the ground (CG lightning)."

Lightning is generally discharged quicker and strong and infused with chakra. Hence why it knocks down trees and shit irl whereas fire doesn't.

Sasuke can clearly manipulate and refine his lightning style a lot more. Flames just work differently by nature. They devour and spread.

Another thing. This isn't real XD

Fire is also plasma. Yeah I know this isn't real. That's why it works. In NV ama and lightening can be solid. You can clearly see blood on the lightening. That can't happen in its regular plasma state

 

[NarutoX28]

Enton isn't like any other Katon though. It's Katon at it's maximum limit, so being able to manipulate and solidify these flames should complement that.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Fire is also plasma. Yeah I know this isn't real. That's why it works. In NV ama and lightening can be solid. You can clearly see blood on the lightening. That can't happen in its regular plasma state

That's what the definition said. Fire can't be done to the degree lightning can in both universes. Kishi can't change the very nature/mechanics of elements like that. If you can channel lightning it can. Once fire is out, it just does its own thing even with manipulation managing where it goes. It still burns & tries to spread when it's no longer tended to.

 

[NarutoX28]

That's what the definition said. Fire can't be done to the degree lightning can in both universes. Kishi can't change the very nature/mechanics of elements like that. If you can channel lightning it can. Once fire is out, it just does its own thing even with manipulation managing where it goes. It still burns & tries to spread when it's no longer tended to.

Sure, but Enton is an entirely different flame than Katon is.

 

[DemiNaruto]

If enton/amaterasu has mass then why when everyone who was hit by it didnt turn to dust, or be pushed back. Its nothing more than a fire justu that just stays ignited till the caster(sasuke) or the victim is engulfed in flames and disinigrated. It never had forceful/mass or dense feats. Only when combined with other techniques(sussano arrow,chidori, or combination techniques has it had those feats) only sasuke fanboys will argue!!!

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

That's what the definition said. Fire can't be done to the degree lightning can in both universes. Kishi can't change the very nature/mechanics of elements like that. If you can channel lightning it can. Once fire is out, it just does its own thing even with manipulation managing where it goes. It still burns & tries to spread when it's no longer tended to.

Dude, Sasuke shaped "fire" into spikes. and swords like he did with lightening. Clearly the fire wasn't doing it's own thing. It was doing whatever sasuke wants it to do. From manga feats alone, he has manipulated ama to a higher degree than lightening.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Dude, Sasuke shaped "fire" into spikes. and swords like he did with lightening. Clearly the fire wasn't doing it's own thing. It was doing whatever sasuke wants it to do. From manga feats alone, he has manipulated ama to a higher degree than lightening.

You're not getting it. Lightning BLADE is refining and piercing its explosive outbursts. Fire just doesn't have that in any form. Fire burns. That's it's own thing. I've been through Sasuke manipulating it, ffs. You can only change elements to realistic expectations through reasonable NV laws. I.e water streams having enough pressure to slice wood. Fire being extra hot. Lightning being concentrated.

Water flows and gets soaked up after you're done with it.

Fire burns and then goes out. That's how it is. Only way to do otherwise would make up more NV nature laws like chakra water does "insert waffle about evaporation and spiritual shit"

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

You're not getting it. Lightning BLADE is refining and piercing its explosive outbursts. Fire just doesn't have that in any form. Fire burns. That's it's own thing. I've been through Sasuke manipulating it, ffs. You can only change elements to realistic expectations through reasonable NV laws. I.e water streams having enough pressure to slice wood. Fire being extra hot. Lightning being concentrated.

Water flows and gets soaked up after you're done with it.

Fire burns and then goes out. That's how it is. Only way to do otherwise would make up more NV nature laws like chakra water does "insert waffle about evaporation and spiritual shit"

your argument is ridiculously biased. That makes absolutely no sense. ow is lightening blade a logical refinement of lightening. lightening is an electric current. If you think about it, it makes less sense to manipulate lightening shape than fire.

 

[NarutoX28]

If enton/amaterasu has mass then why when everyone who was hit by it didnt turn to dust, or be pushed back. Its nothing more than a fire justu that just stays ignited till the caster(sasuke) or the victim is engulfed in flames and disinigrated. It never had forceful/mass or dense feats. Only when combined with other techniques(sussano arrow,chidori, or combination techniques has it had those feats) only sasuke fanboys will argue!!!

It's composed of chakra, so it instantly has mass, hence why Nagato described the chakra build-up within Itachi's eyes as pressure.

 

[NarutoX28]

What Kiba cut through was virtually a juubi wall manifested into a body, juubi just has lackluster durability for tanking, which basing kagutsuchi piercing ability off that feat is not much speak for. Chidori aoe is not permanent lol

Glad we can agree on something.

I need the scan to this then because I doubt what Kiba sliced through was the Juubi Wall that Sasuke did.

Regardless, Susano'os generally attack in a slicing fashion, but that doesn't mean they aren't designed to pierce through objects. Madara's Susano'o is a perfect example of that. Most of its power is obtained through slicing yet that doesn't mean it cannot effectively pierce through objects.

 

[DemiNaruto]

It's composed of chakra, so it instantly has mass, hence why Nagato described the chakra build-up within Itachi's eyes as pressure.

That isn't true, chakra doesnt have mass unless you build up alot a compress it. Fire style jutsu has no mass you just get burned not pushed backed or blasted. Nagato just stated that because thats what happen prior to using any fire style technique and he could see it with his rinnegan. Once any fire style jutsu is used it comes out like air or wind which has no mass

 

[Dantee]

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This panel pretty much shits on any opposing argument. The flames cut the ice cube into clean cut pieces. That shows density and mass. Great thread OP

 

[Mori Jin]

So fire is a process, a chemical reaction, between atoms. These atoms have a mass, but they would be there and have the same mass even if a fire wasn't burning. Hence the fire itself, being a process rather than an object as the alchemists thought, does not have mass.

 

[Alien X]

Really????

 

[Claymantan]

Oh come on

Enton clearly has mass, otherwise Kagutsuchi is a completely useless and redundant jutsu. What would be the point of forming spikes?

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

So fire is a process, a chemical reaction, between atoms. These atoms have a mass, but they would be there and have the same mass even if a fire wasn't burning. Hence the fire itself, being a process rather than an object as the alchemists thought, does not have mass.

Your problem is that you are trying to translate real world logic to NV. A world where lightening can be made solid and people can teleport. In NV, manga feats trump real world logic.

 

[shelke]

Does it surprise you? The people here get triggered like a donkey high on meth, rearing up and kicking at things all over the place whenever something about Sasuke gets posted. Shit is hilarious.

Ay has a pretty durable body, his arm, mass and all was still in tact upon being effect by Ama, not to mention Sasuke's Chidori didn't even pierce through him despite breaking through his raiton, and by feats of peircing, chidori> kagutsuchi

@Bold, Haha, No.

Chidori absolutely pierced his armour. Chee and Raikage himself confirm it:

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So fire is a process, a chemical reaction, between atoms. These atoms have a mass, but they would be there and have the same mass even if a fire wasn't burning. Hence the fire itself, being a process rather than an object as the alchemists thought, does not have mass.

What does Alchemy have anything to do with Naruto? And which process are you talking about? I have read a bit into it.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

your argument is ridiculously biased. That makes absolutely no sense. ow is lightening blade a logical refinement of lightening. lightening is an electric current. If you think about it, it makes less sense to manipulate lightening shape than fire.

Have you seen plain fire/lava looking blades? Sasuke is literally the best in the manga at taming plain lightning. No hax eye techs required. Last sentence makes no sense since lightning cuts things irl and fire is more wild but w/e. To each their own. Idc anymore.

I'm naturally attracted and biased to lightning....ofc....wtf.