[VS] Enel vs Cracker

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Enel is a very powerful character but many people underestimate him because of how he was defeated so early on in the series by an early-story Luffy. Luffy only won that fight due to his DF abilities, if he weren't made of rubber he would have gotten one shot just like everyone else in the arc.

I think Enel could probably take down Cracker tbh. Here's why:

1. Cracker is a more "Defensive type" fighter as he keeps his distance and hurls his infinite number of biscuit soldiers at his opponent. This was the most difficult thing for Luffy in their fight as Luffy, even in Gear 4, couldn't get near Cracker because of all the biscuit soldiers. Enel on the other is more balanced out, he has exceptional range, deadly offense and his logia's intangibility and regenerative capabilities make for a formidable defense.

2. Cracker's biscuit soldiers can't even touch Enel. Objects can only be coated in Armament Haki if the user is touching it. This is one of the major disadvantages of Cracker's defensive fighting style in this fight. Unless Cracker is touching his soldiers they will just pass through Enel like water through a strainer. It'll look something like this:
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Also Cracker's lack of creativity and versatility in the use of his DF is also another disadvantage.

3. Enel is evidently quicker than Cracker. While Cracker may have CoA haki which will allow him to injure Enel in close-quarters combat, Enel's ability to predict enemy attacks (Observation haki) and his superior reflexes while allow him to dodge and evade Cracker's attacks in the event he decides to get up close and personal.

4. Lightning is dangerous, very dangerous. Enel was one-shotting guys like Zoro, Sanji and Wyper like there's no tomorrow, and that was with his weaker attacks. If Enel unleashed something like "Max 200 Million Volt Amaru" (which doesn't need support from Ark Maxim), that would be a guaranteed death for Cracker. Big Mom would have to make funeral arrangements instead of planning a wedding/assassination. Heck, while Cracker is busy vainly clapping biscuit soldiers into existence, Enel could just spam "El Thor" and burn his biscuits.
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He can probably off Jack too.

If you don't agree, say why.
 
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No, Cracker’s buso Haki is powerful enough bisect Enel in one slash. He only needs one hit while Eneru needs several.
Yeah, i know he has strong CoA haki and he could probably kill Enel with a solid swing of his sword but Enel has his exceptional reflexes and attack predicting capabilities which would make it difficult for Cracker to land a direct hit on him. And Enel doesn't necessarily need several hits. We've seen weaker attacks drop tanks like Zoro, so just imagine what 200M Volt Amaru can do to someone who doesn't have the same durability feats.
 
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Pft. Luffy could punch Enel while being weighed down to a giant ball of gold, so I imagine Cracker would beat Enel down harder than he did Luffy.
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Yeah, i know he has strong CoA haki and he could probably kill Enel with a solid swing of his sword but Enel has his exceptional reflexes and attack predicting capabilities which would make it difficult for Cracker to land a direct hit on him. And Enel doesn't necessarily need several hits. We've seen weaker attacks drop tanks like Zoro, so just imagine what 200M Volt Amaru can do to someone who doesn't have the same durability feats.
I mean Luffy's landed a hit on Eneru before despite the fact that he dodged most of his attacks and read his mind:
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Is Cracker slower?
 

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I mean Luffy's landed a hit on Eneru before despite the fact that he dodged most of his attacks and read his mind:
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Is Cracker slower?
I agree, and even though logias can have excellent defense against haki, Enel doesn't know about that or has practiced that.
I mean he's never been hit by haki before so why or how would he know to train his haki defense? Lol
 

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I have a question, what's the difference between Enel's mantra and Kata's strong ob haki? They both allowed the person to predict attacks right?
They say Enel can predict enemy attacks while Katakuri can literally see into the future and know what you're going to say and do before u do it so I guess that's the major difference. Katakuri's is superior.

I mean Luffy's landed a hit on Eneru before despite the fact that he dodged most of his attacks and read his mind:
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Is Cracker slower?
I don't remember Cracker displaying speed feats comparable to Luffy so I guess yeah he is slower.
 
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They say Enel can predict enemy attacks while Katakuri can literally see into the future and know what you're going to say and do before u do it so I guess that's the major difference.



I don't remember Cracker displaying speed feats comparable to Luffy so I guess yeah he is slower.
So the duration to which they can forsee? Enel a snippet, Kata a few seconds or more?
 

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So the duration to which they can forsee? Enel a snippet, Kata a few seconds or more?
No no no, Enel doesn't have any future sight to him, he's just naturally gifted in CoO. Much like the little girl from that arc was too. Being so godly gifted in observation may mean he's more inclined to develop it to a higher proficiency level and possibly quicker than others learning CoO, but he most definitely didn't have future sight.

Let's definitely not get the Base confused on all CoO users suddenly thinking it's future sight people are using when they dodge an attack
 

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No no no, Enel doesn't have any future sight to him, he's just naturally gifted in CoO. Much like the little girl from that arc was too. Being so godly gifted in observation may mean he's more inclined to develop it to a higher proficiency level and possibly quicker than others learning CoO, but he most definitely didn't have future sight.

Let's definitely not get the Base confused on all CoO users suddenly thinking it's future sight people are using when they dodge an attack
But in a battle they work the same way, Kata's future sight is only greater than Enel's but they're doing the same thing.
 

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So the duration to which they can forsee? Enel a snippet, Kata a few seconds or more?
No, your df can help your haki.. Like Enel using lighting with observation haki was able to hear every person on the island no matter where they were. Dont think of it as he sees in the future a little but he has 3t sharingan

I'm guessing jozus diamond would help his armamen haki if he had trained enough.

Kata is just a beast, Enel has help from his df
 
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But in a battle they work the same way, Kata's future sight is only greater than Enel's but they're doing the same thing.
It's not. Observation is the ability to sense another's presence, whether that be they're hiding somewhere to predicting their next moves. The latter is the part you're confusing with future sight as CoO users predict an opponents conscious movements. Katakuri is able to actually see the future and his CoO doesn't predict.

This can be shown when Luffy goes into his zombie mode to attack Enel as he's not consciously making his attacks, therefore Enel wasn't able to predict and dodge them. Same goes for the refracted punches he used where he punched the wall and had his attacks bounce off towards Enel and they landed.

Observation is the ability to sense a presence, however the future sight that Katakuri displays is advanced CoO to a degree where he can actually see what is going to happen and not just a prediction.

No, your df can help your haki.. Like Enel using lighting with observation haki was able to hear every person on the island no matter where they were. Dont think of it as he sees in the future a little but he has 3t sharingan

I'm guessing hosts diamond would help his armamen haki if he had trained enough.

Kata is just a beast, Enel has he from his df
I don't think a persons DF will help with their haki dude... Some qualities might be akin to their abilities, Jozu's is a good example, CoA makes your attacks stronger as it applies an invisible armour and his diamond fruit makes him the strongest substance going. But one doesn't make the other better, it's just a good trait to have to multiply the others effect. But it doesn't improve their haki in a sense...
 
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It's not. Observation is the ability to sense another's presence, whether that be they're hiding somewhere to predicting their next moves. The latter is the part you're confusing with future sight as CoO users predict an opponents conscious movements. Katakuri is able to actually see the future and his CoO doesn't predict.

This can be shown when Luffy goes into his zombie mode to attack Enel as he's not consciously making his attacks, therefore Enel wasn't able to predict and dodge them. Same goes for the refracted punches he used where he punched the wall and had his attacks bounce off towards Enel and they landed.
Observation is the ability to sense a presence, however the future sight that Katakuri displays is advanced CoO to a degree where he can actually see what is going to happen and not just a prediction.
@ bold and isn't this essentially what he did this chapter with snakeman? He changed the angles of his punches at a speed too fast to be read by Kata's CoO.

Also if Mantra wasn't similar to Kata's level of CoO then why did Satori know Luffy stretched before ever seeing it?
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Here he just swings his arm and cocks it no stretching yet, but Satori says "Huh you're stretching" so he must have been able to see briefly into the future as well, like when Luffy saw Mihawk cut his arms off. The difference is Kata's is honed to a greater level than Luffy or Mantra thus can get a clearer image and throughout a further time period. But I don't see anything besides the time frame that is different.
 
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It's not. Observation is the ability to sense another's presence, whether that be they're hiding somewhere to predicting their next moves. The latter is the part you're confusing with future sight as CoO users predict an opponents conscious movements. Katakuri is able to actually see the future and his CoO doesn't predict.

This can be shown when Luffy goes into his zombie mode to attack Enel as he's not consciously making his attacks, therefore Enel wasn't able to predict and dodge them. Same goes for the refracted punches he used where he punched the wall and had his attacks bounce off towards Enel and they landed.

Observation is the ability to sense a presence, however the future sight that Katakuri displays is advanced CoO to a degree where he can actually see what is going to happen and not just a prediction.



I don't think a persons DF will help with their haki dude... Some qualities might be akin to their abilities, Jozu's is a good example, CoA makes your attacks stronger as it applies an invisible armour and his diamond fruit makes him the strongest substance going. But one doesn't make the other better, it's just a good trait to have to multiply the others effect. But it doesn't improve their haki in a sense...
Enel already said it was due to his df, how much more wrong can you be now?

What I posted was correct and that's that. Manga facts
 
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