[VS] Enel vs Cracker

[Easyfathom]

@ bold and isn't this essentially what he did this chapter with snakeman? He changed the angles of his punches at a speed too fast to be read by Kata's CoO.

Also if Mantra wasn't similar to Kata's level of CoO then why did Satori know Luffy stretched before ever seeing it?

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No, I mean I personally don't think so. You've got to take into account that they're at the climax of their battle, so fatigue would surely be taking effect right now. I think Katakuri saw the punch coming and that's why he dodged it with ease, but then hadn't looked any further into the future to see the follow-up that culverin utilises. But once he understood the attack, notice how not another hit in the same way? I think he was just caught off guard in the midst of battle. Alongside this however, we have to predict ourselves how quickly and just how far he actually is able to see, does it take him a second to see 2 seconds into the future, or is it instantaneous that he knows the next 2 seconds at all times? It's still a little un-refined to us.

However, and I can't really stress this enough, CoO naturally is sensing the presence of others and regular users of it predict what is going to happen by sensing the opponents move. The Luffy that Satori was sensing had a big wind up before announcing his movement, along with Luffy being much slower than what he is now I'm fairly certain as readers we can see what he was probably about to do before reading the next panel, don't you think? Not even CoO was needed in that instance.

However, thinking about it and this has just occured to me, is there an instance where someone has predicted Luffy's move (arm stretching) before knowing he ate the gomu gomu no mi? Because if they did, then that would suggest it must be a form of future sight as you can predict a person might throw a punch, but not that his arm was going to stretch with no prior knowledge to that being possible... hmmm... Interesting concept, might have to go look at his first encounters with CoO users to see if this was ever the case.

... I'm just realising now your point and it was in fact that haha, my bad. But Luffy did use it prior to meeting Satori within Skypeia, so it's not impossible to think Enel and his priests would be told of his ability.



Here's a good example...

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Luffy's speed was too much for her observation haki, this could follow up in how he may be now too fast for Katakuri to predict and react as he as before.

 

[Easyfathom]

Enel already said it was due to his df, how much more wrong can you be now?

What I posted was correct and that's that. Manga facts

No, you're not. Or maybe it's just the way you've written it... And maybe you didn't quite get my point. But a persons devil fruit doesn't increase their proficiency in any type of haki, it may be used in conjunction with to have a multiplier effect but it doesn't make someones haki better in essence.

 

[Sakazuki]

No, you're not. Or maybe it's just the way you've written it... And maybe you didn't quite get my point. But a persons devil fruit doesn't increase their proficiency in any type of haki, it may be used in conjunction with to have a multiplier effect but it doesn't make someones haki better in essence.

Okay I gotcha now

 

[Uverdore9]

Enel has the fire power to god stomp the hell out of Cracker. He can hear every thing happening in such a wide big island like Skypiea meaning his Haki is fecking OP. The only reason luffy won was because of his immunity and it roasted Sanji like nothing with one blow, that dude did not even try.

 

[Love Cook]

Enel has the fire power to god stomp the hell out of Cracker. He can hear every thing happening in such a wide big island like Skypiea meaning his Haki is fecking OP. The only reason luffy won was because of his immunity and it roasted Sanji like nothing with one blow, that dude did not even try.

Luffy being made out of rubber and immune to lighting had nothing to do with Enel being unable to dodge a giant golden ball on Luffy's fist in base form.

Also if Enel was so all mighty, he should've just killed Luffy with his spear. But he was no where near fast enough. He got out paced by Luffy in base form even with his speed and Haki.

Meaning that everyone with CoA, and base luffy speed has what it takes to beat Enel. Everyone who is vice-admiral level and up would take care of him without a problem.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Luffy being made out of rubber and immune to lighting had nothing to do with Enel being unable to dodge a giant golden ball on Luffy's fist in base form.

No, plot did. The man was electricity/lightning he should by all accounts be able to travel at the speed of lightning plus he has CoO strong enough to help him predict hit locations. There's no real reason he got hit other then it's fiction and the MC gets away with stuff. I don't think this acts as a valid reason to try and deflate the beaten's stats, for example from Naruto: Zabuza got undersold compared to Kisame because he was beat in part 1 but Zabuza was part of the most famous Mist Swordsmen so the odds that he's significantly below Kisame are small yet that's how he was treated. People are under selling Enel the same way.

Also if Enel was so all mighty, he should've just killed Luffy with his spear. But he was no where near fast enough. He got out paced by Luffy in base form even with his speed and Haki.

Meaning that everyone with CoA, and base luffy speed has what it takes to beat Enel. Everyone who is vice-admiral level and up would take care of him without a problem.

To be fair though, you're operating under the assumption Enel hasn't grown a single bit since that fight and if Bellamy can go from doing no damage and getting one punched to, well, doing some damage and getting one punched I think Enel will have grown as well. Luffy's outpaced just about every opponent if not every opponent at the time of fighting them.

 

[Wrappering_]

Enel would turn his biscuits into a milkshake by raining down on them, and then he would deliver a nice thunderstrike and finish up the drowning Cracker in the midst of all the flooding down on the ground. There's absolutely no chance for Cracker to even touch Enel from where he's at, like zero possibility. Haki doesn't matter, it can hold up for so long before losing it's effects.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Dude, Cracker would roflstomp Eneru. He has armament hardening and observation haki

 

[Love Cook]

No, plot did. The man was electricity/lightning he should by all accounts be able to travel at the speed of lightning plus he has CoO strong enough to help him predict hit locations. There's no real reason he got hit other then it's fiction and the MC gets away with stuff. I don't think this acts as a valid reason to try and deflate the beaten's stats, for example from Naruto: Zabuza got undersold compared to Kisame because he was beat in part 1 but Zabuza was part of the most famous Mist Swordsmen so the odds that he's significantly below Kisame are small yet that's how he was treated. People are under selling Enel the same way.



To be fair though, you're operating under the assumption Enel hasn't grown a single bit since that fight and if Bellamy can go from doing no damage and getting one punched to, well, doing some damage and getting one punched I think Enel will have grown as well. Luffy's outpaced just about every opponent if not every opponent at the time of fighting them.

If you don't mind I will stick to what happend in the Manga, and you can speculate about plot all you want. Plot didn't prevent multiple characters from hitting him, plot didn't restrict him from fighting Luffy a different way besides using lightning.

Also I made this point even before the timeskip about Enel so pacing of the story doesn't matter. I still agree that vice-admirals as we've seen them pre timeskip are capable of taking down Enel without a problem. Cracker would be overkill.

 

[TheNuetrix]

Dude, Cracker would roflstomp Eneru. He has armament hardening and observation haki

When and where did Cracker display the use of Observation Haki?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

They say Enel can predict enemy attacks while Katakuri can literally see into the future and know what you're going to say and do before u do it so I guess that's the major difference. Katakuri's is superior.



I don't remember Cracker displaying speed feats comparable to Luffy so I guess yeah he is slower.

I really want to see this fight because we can’t always use luffy as a speed reference. Because at base form we’ve seen luffy hit top level fighters such as Dogtooth.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I really want to see this fight because we can’t always use luffy as a speed reference. Because at base form we’ve seen luffy hit top level fighters such as Dogtooth.

Not just base, but beaten up base.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Not just base, but beaten up base.

Yeah after a long excruciating battle of consecutive beating that he finally meets the demand necessary to beat those high level opponents. That or inanimate objects included.
Throws people off for sure.