[VS] Enel VS Akainu

[Rikudou Tobi]

once he was unconscious and WB was standing and akainu on the ground then clearly WB is the winner

you the one who ignore manga facts because you're a delusional akainu fanboy

you have weak argument and can't counter my previous post with actual Facts

as i posted akainu started the sneak attack



the akainu riders aka fanboys logic
" the person on the ground is the winner and the person who is standing is the loser "


expected a comeback , i guess not

even a 6 years old will have a better argument

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WB > Akainu
Shanks > Akainu
Garp > Akainu
Dragon > Akainu
Kaido > Akainu
Big mom > ِAkainu
BlackBeard > Akainu ​

Facts. How can Sakazuki be stronger than Whitbeard when Whitebeard blew out his devil fruit power with just his breathe alone:

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Even Shanks challenged him and he turned it down. Kept his mouth quiet never hearing from him again.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

Akainu or anyone with haki should stomp.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Lmao ok man

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Facts. How can Sakazuki be stronger than Whitbeard when Whitebeard blew out his devil fruit power with just his breathe alone:

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Even Shanks challenged him and he turned it down. Kept his mouth quiet never hearing from him again.

bro i forget about this scan

another proof

man there is type of people
who i called them " temporary fanboys "

once their fave defeated they will switch for another one

wait until luffy kick akainu ass or shanks or any yonko
then they will switch immediately

it's a crime how underrated WB is now just because he died


noticed after your own scan and proof from the manga that WB breath is enough for Akainu DF

he didn't counter and replied " lmao ok man "

because he knows his argument are weak just like his and other akainu fanboys assumptions and Fantasies Are

Yes he was afraid of Shanks clearly
and wasn't " Savage or badass " in front of a Yonko

same goes with Garp who was about to kill him​

 

[Itachi Minato]

once he was unconscious and WB was standing and akainu on the ground then clearly WB is the winner

you the one who ignore manga facts because you're a delusional akainu fanboy

you have weak argument and can't counter my previous post with actual Facts

as i posted akainu started the sneak attack



the akainu riders aka fanboys logic
" the person on the ground is the winner and the person who is standing is the loser "


expected a comeback , i guess not

even a 6 years old will have a better argument

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WB > Akainu
Shanks > Akainu
Garp > Akainu
Dragon > Akainu
Kaido > Akainu
Big mom > ِAkainu
BlackBeard > Akainu ​

No offense but your a moron. Akainu didn't sneak attack WB. They were facing each other, WB had a heart attack and Akainu took advantage. Its a one on one nobody interfered it wasn't a sneak attack. WB attacked Akainu FROM BEHIND while he was watching someone else. That is a sneak attack. Whether he went unconscious after that is a pointless argument because he wouldn't have been in that situation one vs one. There is just no way in hell an old whitebeard is beating an Admiral ain't gonna happen. His health can't handle it.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

No offense but your a moron. Akainu didn't sneak attack WB. They were facing each other, WB had a heart attack and Akainu took advantage. Its a one on one nobody interfered it wasn't a sneak attack. WB attacked Akainu FROM BEHIND while he was watching someone else. That is a sneak attack. Whether he went unconscious after that is a pointless argument because he wouldn't have been in that situation one vs one. There is just no way in hell an old whitebeard is beating an Admiral ain't gonna happen. His health can't handle it.

He meant to say sucker punch. And on top of that if it’s a one on one, then you need to take into account how many fighters Whitebeard went up against prior to him putting Sakazuki underground.
1.That means no deceiving Squardo to stab him rupture his organs (I'm gonna use that Riker excuse for Doflamingo):

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2. That means Borsalino wouldn't shoot lasers in his chest (heart) prior to the onslaught on Sakazuki:

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3. Further back Kuzan temporarily freezing him but that's hardly worth the effort

4. After hitting Whitebeard in the chest after he fell due to illness (which you said is fair), he wouldn't of stepped back and get a bunch vice admirals attack him afterwards:

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Lastly he wouldn't of needed to waste stamina on one-shotting Vice Admiral giants before fighting all 3 of the admirals.


So you're not being fair. You're biased for pointing out that Whitebeard attacked Sakazuki when he was not looking but in a one on one fight, that's his problem just like Whitbeard falling to the ground coughing up blood from his illness.
Sakazuki attempted to Whitebeard when he wasn't looking yet Whitbeard had no problem side swiping his attack like it was an annoying insect

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So what's Sakazuki's excuse? He didn't fight anyone else before he was put away by Whitebeard, so an old dying man was so much for him to handle that they had to weaken him again?
The funny part is that Whitebeard won that exchange after all those cheap tricks. Sakazuki was the one that fled, he tunneled himself away from Whitebeard.

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He left for Blackbeard and his crew to finish what he's already started.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

No offense but your a moron. Akainu didn't sneak attack WB. They were facing each other, WB had a heart attack and Akainu took advantage. Its a one on one nobody interfered it wasn't a sneak attack. WB attacked Akainu FROM BEHIND while he was watching someone else. That is a sneak attack. Whether he went unconscious after that is a pointless argument because he wouldn't have been in that situation one vs one. There is just no way in hell an old whitebeard is beating an Admiral ain't gonna happen. His health can't handle it.

how they were faced each other when WB was on his knee and looking to the ground with Blood ?

Sneak Attack doesn't always mean from behind , WB was on his knee on the Ground
WIthout knowing That Akainu will attack

Full Health WB even with Old Age will never be defeated by Akainu

and my friend posted scan above on WB nullify Akainu DF power with just a Normal Breath


the differences is Akainu Attacked WB ( first Attack ) while WB was on ge ground
on his knee with a Sneak attack and WB wasn't in full heath and was already injured
UNLIKE akainu with FULL HEALTH
who got his ass kicked badly with one hit only from Injured WB who received two Magma punch from Akainu


and STILL STANDING while Akainu collapsed and was unconscious

the winner is Clearly WB he was STanding


you're a Complete Idiot and another Akanu Fapboy


WB with Old Age > Akainu


Manga Fact ​

 

[Light up the Darkness]

He meant to say sucker punch. And on top of that if it’s a one on one, then you need to take into account how many fighters Whitebeard went up against prior to him putting Sakazuki underground.
1.That means no deceiving Squardo to stab him rupture his organs (I'm gonna use that Riker excuse for Doflamingo):

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2. That means Borsalino wouldn't shoot lasers in his chest (heart) prior to the onslaught on Sakazuki:

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3. Further back Kuzan temporarily freezing him but that's hardly worth the effort

4. After hitting Whitebeard in the chest after he fell due to illness (which you said is fair), he wouldn't of stepped back and get a bunch vice admirals attack him afterwards:

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Lastly he wouldn't of needed to waste stamina on one-shotting Vice Admiral giants before fighting all 3 of the admirals.


So you're not being fair. You're biased for pointing out that Whitebeard attacked Sakazuki when he was not looking but in a one on one fight, that's his problem just like Whitbeard falling to the ground coughing up blood from his illness.
Sakazuki attempted to Whitebeard when he wasn't looking yet Whitbeard had no problem side swiping his attack like it was an annoying insect

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So what's Sakazuki's excuse? He didn't fight anyone else before he was put away by Whitebeard, so an old dying man was so much for him to handle that they had to weaken him again?
The funny part is that Whitebeard won that exchange after all those cheap tricks. Sakazuki was the one that fled, he tunneled himself away from Whitebeard.

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He left for Blackbeard and his crew to finish what he's already started.

that's exactly my point

WB fought many people Unlike Akainu

Akainu is overrated because of fapboys like this

seems like you're the only Expert in one piece section my friend

those fodder fanboys can't even discuss manga Facts

it amazes me how they think that being unconscious and collapsed is a victory !

they're in endless loop of assumptions and fantasies​

 

[Punk Hazard]

He meant to say sucker punch. And on top of that if it’s a one on one, then you need to take into account how many fighters Whitebeard went up against prior to him putting Sakazuki underground.
1.That means no deceiving Squardo to stab him rupture his organs (I'm gonna use that Riker excuse for Doflamingo):

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2. That means Borsalino wouldn't shoot lasers in his chest (heart) prior to the onslaught on Sakazuki:

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3. Further back Kuzan temporarily freezing him but that's hardly worth the effort

4. After hitting Whitebeard in the chest after he fell due to illness (which you said is fair), he wouldn't of stepped back and get a bunch vice admirals attack him afterwards:

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Lastly he wouldn't of needed to waste stamina on one-shotting Vice Admiral giants before fighting all 3 of the admirals.


So you're not being fair. You're biased for pointing out that Whitebeard attacked Sakazuki when he was not looking but in a one on one fight, that's his problem just like Whitbeard falling to the ground coughing up blood from his illness.
Sakazuki attempted to Whitebeard when he wasn't looking yet Whitbeard had no problem side swiping his attack like it was an annoying insect

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So what's Sakazuki's excuse? He didn't fight anyone else before he was put away by Whitebeard, so an old dying man was so much for him to handle that they had to weaken him again?
The funny part is that Whitebeard won that exchange after all those cheap tricks. Sakazuki was the one that fled, he tunneled himself away from Whitebeard.

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He left for Blackbeard and his crew to finish what he's already started.

This mess of a post is defunct by one simple fact: If WB hadn't landed that first punch via sneak attack, the second blow that broke the ground wouldn't have landed on Sakazuki. Simple. You say "in a one on one fight, getting distracted would be Akainu's problem," blissfully ignoring the fact that Akainu wouldn't be distracted in the first place if he was having a one on one with WB. Congrats, you played yourself.

And Akainu didn't run away from WB. Akainu made it clear multiple times while WB was alive that Luffy and Ace were priorities, even going so far as to say they were the two pirates who absolutely could not escape(again, while WB was alive).

WB sneak attacked Akainu when the latter was pursuing Luffy, and he kept getting interrupted(first by Jinbei, then by Vista and Marco, and again by Marco a second time which is when WB interrupted him with the sneak attack). When the ground broke, Akainu took advantage of that by burrowing underground so he could get to Luffy without any more interruptions. If you had a lick of common sense and reading comprehension, that would be obvious.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

that's exactly my point

WB fought many people Unlike Akainu

Akainu is overrated because of fapboys like this

seems like you're the only Expert in one piece section my friend

those fodder fanboys can't even discuss manga Facts

it amazes me how they think that being unconscious and collapsed is a victory !

they're in endless loop of assumptions and fantasies​

Thank you but this should come naturally for anyone with common sense. Itachi Minato is just misunderstood and he most likely forgot what Whitebeard went through before beating Sakazuki.
The only stubborn idiot would be Vander, UzmamkiMacho, and Riker. Riker is the type of idiot who would call a scan fanfic and insert is baseless opinions as being valid. That's why he can't post a single manga scan like I do to prove my point.

I have to underline everything I post for that illiterate boy because reading comprehension isn’t part of his chicken size brain functionality.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Thank you but this should come naturally for anyone with common sense. Itachi Minato is just misunderstood and he most likely forgot what Whitebeard went through before beating Sakazuki.
The only stubborn idiot would be Vander, UzmamkiMacho, and Riker. Riker is the type of idiot who would call a scan fanfic and insert is baseless opinions as being valid. That's why he can't post a single manga scan like I do to prove my point.

I have to underline everything I post for that illiterate boy because reading comprehension isn’t part of his chicken size brain functionality.

lmfaoooo give me every point/argument I've made that's not backed up by the manga and I'll be glad to prove you wrong.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I'm confused was this an Enel vs Akainu thread or an Akainu vs WB thread?

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm confused was this an Enel vs Akainu thread or an Akainu vs WB thread?

One Piece has a lot of power scaling, it's really no question as to how these discussions end up discussing one or two more characters not originally in the fight to make a point about the original fight.

 

[chopstickchakra]

One Piece has a lot of power scaling, it's really no question as to how these discussions end up discussing one or two more characters not originally in the fight to make a point about the original fight.

Discussing and using them as reasoning for those involved in the discussion is one thing, this has become who would beat who Akainu or WB.

 

[Itachi Minato]

He meant to say sucker punch. And on top of that if it’s a one on one, then you need to take into account how many fighters Whitebeard went up against prior to him putting Sakazuki underground.
1.That means no deceiving Squardo to stab him rupture his organs (I'm gonna use that Riker excuse for Doflamingo):

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2. That means Borsalino wouldn't shoot lasers in his chest (heart) prior to the onslaught on Sakazuki:

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3. Further back Kuzan temporarily freezing him but that's hardly worth the effort

4. After hitting Whitebeard in the chest after he fell due to illness (which you said is fair), he wouldn't of stepped back and get a bunch vice admirals attack him afterwards:

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Lastly he wouldn't of needed to waste stamina on one-shotting Vice Admiral giants before fighting all 3 of the admirals.


So you're not being fair. You're biased for pointing out that Whitebeard attacked Sakazuki when he was not looking but in a one on one fight, that's his problem just like Whitbeard falling to the ground coughing up blood from his illness.
Sakazuki attempted to Whitebeard when he wasn't looking yet Whitbeard had no problem side swiping his attack like it was an annoying insect

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So what's Sakazuki's excuse? He didn't fight anyone else before he was put away by Whitebeard, so an old dying man was so much for him to handle that they had to weaken him again?
The funny part is that Whitebeard won that exchange after all those cheap tricks. Sakazuki was the one that fled, he tunneled himself away from Whitebeard.

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He left for Blackbeard and his crew to finish what he's already started.

Ok I cant be bothered to find the manga pages so I used the wiki to check if I’m right. I know wiki isn’t an official source but I believe it can be trusted about the chronology of events. Before the first encounter between Akainu and Whitebeard, WB was stabbed by Squard, then destroyed John Giant without taking a single hit, got frozen by Kuzan and then met Akainu.

We all know that WB is a tank. It took a hell of a lot to put him down. I’m not gonna argue about how much damage Squardos stab did to him because that will just be a difference of opinion but from what I saw of WB I would say that was pretty much nothing to him. You can say otherwise and we’ll agree to disagree. John Giant, there is no argument he didn’t even break a sweat and kuzan freezing him didn’t do anything either because he was in the middle of attacking and the vibrations from his fruit broke the ice. Kuzan then started fighting Jozu.

This is were Akainu and WB meet. Can’t remember exactly but the fight was pretty even from what I remember and wiki seems to support it. Then WB went down because of his illness and Akainu got the upper hand. Then a bunch of marines stabbed him. The one vs one ends with WB getting hit by Akainu with a magma punch. I dont think you are going to argue that Akainu has the upper hand here. That is the only time in the war that the two fought without anyone distracting anybody. The fact WB went down because of his illness would imo happen anyway because of his age. He was old top tier fighters fights drag on it seems and if they just went at it I’m sure WB would have given Akainu an opening eventually because of his illness. They seemed even until WB got sick. Its not unfair that Akainu attacked WB because he was sick. What, you expect him to say sorry old fella rest up ill face you when your healthy? WBs sickness is a part of him that is an inherent weakness. Taking advantage of that is not a sneak attack. Basically in a one on one WBs sickness still plays a part, Akainu getting hit from behind doesn’t because he wouldn’t be looking the other way. Old WB without being sick has not been seen in the manga. Prime Whitebeard I’d agree would beat Akainu based on hype.

The Yonko and admiral hardly clashed in a one on one scenario without sneak attacks and the only time they did they were even till WB got sick. On a totally different note because the one vs one ended ages before, WB has probably the most destructive DF in OP and giving him a two free hits which he got because Akainu wasn’t looking, is more of a credit to Akainu cos he was still healthy enough to go take on the rest of the WB pirates. If he was unconsciouss or not for me doesn’t matter because he wouldn’t let WB take two free hits at him in a real fight. Oh and the other guy is a moron. Calling other people fanboys when he doesn’t know what he is talking about smh.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ok I cant be bothered to find the manga pages so I used the wiki to check if I’m right. I know wiki isn’t an official source but I believe it can be trusted about the chronology of events. Before the first encounter between Akainu and Whitebeard, WB was stabbed by Squard, then destroyed John Giant without taking a single hit, got frozen by Kuzan and then met Akainu.

We all know that WB is a tank. It took a hell of a lot to put him down. I’m not gonna argue about how much damage Squardos stab did to him because that will just be a difference of opinion but from what I saw of WB I would say that was pretty much nothing to him. You can say otherwise and we’ll agree to disagree. John Giant, there is no argument he didn’t even break a sweat and kuzan freezing him didn’t do anything either because he was in the middle of attacking and the vibrations from his fruit broke the ice. Kuzan then started fighting Jozu.

I did say that the Kuzan attack was nothing worth mentioning but it was just to prove a point that he went up against a number of people before the final round with Sakazuki.
The Squardo attack went right through his body through his body. He stabbed him in the upper abs so that means he stabbed through the large intestine and or stomach. So if your one of those people who thinks that DOflamingo was greatly weaken by Gamma knife, then squardo impaling Whitebeard in the same exact area as Law did to Doflamingo yielded the same exact damage results. The only difference between Gamma knife and an actual blade is that Gamma knife leaves no external openings.

So do you really believe that having a massive sword as big as Squardo's body impale right through you is pretty much nothing? That's internal bleeding right there for a guy who's already about to die. You can argue that it is nothing to a Prime Whitebeard but this man is 72 year old with internal heath problem almost about to die. He was so senile that Crocodile sneaked up on him.

This is were Akainu and WB meet. Can’t remember exactly but the fight was pretty even from what I remember and wiki seems to support it. Then WB went down because of his illness and Akainu got the upper hand. Then a bunch of marines stabbed him. The one vs one ends with WB getting hit by Akainu with a magma punch. I dont think you are going to argue that Akainu has the upper hand here. That is the only time in the war that the two fought without anyone distracting anybody. The fact WB went down because of his illness would imo happen anyway because of his age. He was old top tier fighters fights drag on it seems and if they just went at it I’m sure WB would have given Akainu an opening eventually because of his illness. They seemed even until WB got sick. Its not unfair that Akainu attacked WB because he was sick. What, you expect him to say sorry old fella rest up ill face you when your healthy? WBs sickness is a part of him that is an inherent weakness. Taking advantage of that is not a sneak attack. Basically in a one on one WBs sickness still plays a part, Akainu getting hit from behind doesn’t because he wouldn’t be looking the other way. Old WB without being sick has not been seen in the manga. Prime Whitebeard I’d agree would beat Akainu based on hype.

You're right. He could've fell due to his illness but I was arguing that him getting hit from behind is still fair game after the help Sakazuki had to attack Whitbeard. Even if Sakazuki attacked Whitebeard when he was already down, that still wasn't enough to stop him correct?
Take away all the other factors and you have Whitebeard exerting his stamina and power on Sakazuki alone not everybody else.

It took 2 big hits to put Sakazuki away, now imagine if he saved those other massive two hits he used on the Vice Admiral Giants and used it on Sakazuki instead? He was still hit by Borsalino's laser before knocking Sakazuki unconscious in the later chapter but none of these attacks stopped him. You said so yourself that Whitebeard is a tank so if he took several attacks less before 1 v 1 Whitebeard, then he might of not be in this position he is in right now. Wouldn't you agree?

The Yonko and admiral hardly clashed in a one on one scenario without sneak attacks and the only time they did they were even till WB got sick. On a totally different note because the one vs one ended ages before, WB has probably the most destructive DF in OP and giving him a two free hits which he got because Akainu wasn’t looking, is more of a credit to Akainu cos he was still healthy enough to go take on the rest of the WB pirates. If he was unconsciouss or not for me doesn’t matter because he wouldn’t let WB take two free hits at him in a real fight. Oh and the other guy is a moron. Calling other people fanboys when he doesn’t know what he is talking about smh.

Gave him two free hits? Since when was the second one a free hit? Sakazuki hit him before he smashed him with the second one that put him underground. So there was nothing free about that second one.
Sakazuki was taking free hits on Whitebeard when he was coughing up blood, so Whitebeard hitting him behind his back is not an excuse.
Sakazuki wasn't able to land a single attack on Whitebeard prior to the stab so what can you say about that now?

Oh and when I was calling the "other" a moron and a fanboy, why didn't you point out all the other remarks he said about me as well? Saying that I don't have common sense or read comprehension on top everything else he said and now you're patronizing me?
How about you hold your head still before picking sides here because you better regard the "other guy" and everything he said before trying to lecture me.

 

[Itachi Minato]

I did say that the Kuzan attack was nothing worth mentioning but it was just to prove a point that he went up against a number of people before the final round with Sakazuki.
The Squardo attack went right through his body through his body. He stabbed him in the upper abs so that means he stabbed through the large intestine and or stomach. So if your one of those people who thinks that DOflamingo was greatly weaken by Gamma knife, then squardo impaling Whitebeard in the same exact area as Law did to Doflamingo yielded the same exact damage results. The only difference between Gamma knife and an actual blade is that Gamma knife leaves no external openings.

So do you really believe that having a massive sword as big as Squardo's body impale right through you is pretty much nothing? That's internal bleeding right there for a guy who's already about to die. You can argue that it is nothing to a Prime Whitebeard but this man is 72 year old with internal heath problem almost about to die. He was so senile that Crocodile sneaked up on him.



You're right. He could've fell due to his illness but I was arguing that him getting hit from behind is still fair game after the help Sakazuki had to attack Whitbeard. Even if Sakazuki attacked Whitebeard when he was already down, that still wasn't enough to stop him correct?
Take away all the other factors and you have Whitebeard exerting his stamina and power on Sakazuki alone not everybody else.

It took 2 big hits to put Sakazuki away, now imagine if he saved those other massive two hits he used on the Vice Admiral Giants and used it on Sakazuki instead? He was still hit by Borsalino's laser before knocking Sakazuki unconscious in the later chapter but none of these attacks stopped him. You said so yourself that Whitebeard is a tank so if he took several attacks less before 1 v 1 Whitebeard, then he might of not be in this position he is in right now. Wouldn't you agree?


Gave him two free hits? Since when was the second one a free hit? Sakazuki hit him before he smashed him with the second one that put him underground. So there was nothing free about that second one.
Sakazuki was taking free hits on Whitebeard when he was coughing up blood, so Whitebeard hitting him behind his back is not an excuse.
Sakazuki wasn't able to land a single attack on Whitebeard prior to the stab so what can you say about that now?

Oh and when I was calling the "other" a moron and a fanboy, why didn't you point out all the other remarks he said about me as well? Saying that I don't have common sense or read comprehension on top everything else he said and now you're patronizing me?
How about you hold your head still before picking sides here because you better regard the "other guy" and everything he said before trying to lecture me.

By the end of the war whitebeard had received 267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds and 46 wounds from cannonballs. You honestly think that one stab from squardo took that much out from him? That's a bit more than 0.003% of JUST the amount of times he was stabbed excluding gunshot and cannonball damage.

Yh in a war everything is fair game. Marco got handcuffed while distracted, jozu lost an arm and akainu got hit by WB. In a 1V1 none of the above would have happened. However, in a 1V1 old whitebeard would have still had his health issues and Akainu would have taken advantage of it because that is a weakness of old WB. The 1V1 ended with WB on his knees after Akainu hit him with a magma fist. Then a bunch of marines jumped in and stabbed him. Yh the one fist wasn't enough to defeat WB but it left Akainu in the stronger position. My point is that the 1V1 ended with Akainu with the upper hand. Before fighting Akainu initially WB only took one attack from Squardo. He swatted John Giant away like a fly and the Kuzan thing you already agree was pointless. Your underrating WB here if you think that this took enough out of him to give Akainu a advantage. WB fought against Akainu at at least 98% of his full power.

Yh sorry he only got one free hit in. This part is a pointless argument for me anyway because the 1V1 ended way earlier. Nobody fought WB before Squardo stabbed him and if you want to say that 0.003% of the total stab wounds that WB received in total gave Akainu a significant advantage then ok.

The other guy I was talking about was light up the darkness. I don't actually know what your on about at the end because I never lectured you and I didn't pick any sides. Light up the darkness quoted me and I didn't wanna reply to him so I indirectly called him a moron in my reply to you. It had nothing to do with you.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

By the end of the war whitebeard had received 267 sword wounds, 152 gunshot wounds and 46 wounds from cannonballs. You honestly think that one stab from squardo took that much out from him? That's a bit more than 0.003% of JUST the amount of times he was stabbed excluding gunshot and cannonball damage.

That's what killed him though. The difference between those slash and a stab is that Squardo's stab cause internal injury while slashes leave external injury.
It was at the end of all their attacks that they stabbed him with their swords which he still wasn't able to move shortly before dying. This proves to be that swords, gunshots, and canon attacks can be lethal.

Yh in a war everything is fair game. Marco got handcuffed while distracted, jozu lost an arm and akainu got hit by WB. In a 1V1 none of the above would have happened. However, in a 1V1 old whitebeard would have still had his health issues and Akainu would have taken advantage of it because that is a weakness of old WB. The 1V1 ended with WB on his knees after Akainu hit him with a magma fist. Then a bunch of marines jumped in and stabbed him. Yh the one fist wasn't enough to defeat WB but it left Akainu in the stronger position. My point is that the 1V1 ended with Akainu with the upper hand. Before fighting Akainu initially WB only took one attack from Squardo. He swatted John Giant away like a fly and the Kuzan thing you already agree was pointless. Your underrating WB here if you think that this took enough out of him to give Akainu a advantage. WB fought against Akainu at at least 98% of his full power.

My position is that if Whitebeard didn't have his organs torn up by that sword, the outcome of the fight may of been totally different and Whitebeard may of not been on his knees during that moment.
I'm saying that he could of actually ended things much faster because he wasted time and energy before that hit. Even if he happens to be on his knees when Akainu hits him in a one on one, that's still not going to stop him either way. Sakazuki had the advantage and he took it regardless at the end of the day. Did it stop Whitebeard? No, he still knocked him out with half his face gone.
So what of it? You said that Whitebeard is a tank, right?
You're also speculating that Sakazuki wasn't putting all of his effort into that fight too, we can't say that he is you know. One can argue that Whitebeard wasn't going 100% because of all his crew members he needed to protect and Ace needed to comeback safe and sound.
So we just take it as it is and say that both of them were trying to at least win during their fight.

Yh sorry he only got one free hit in. This part is a pointless argument for me anyway because the 1V1 ended way earlier. Nobody fought WB before Squardo stabbed him and if you want to say that 0.003% of the total stab wounds that WB received in total gave Akainu a significant advantage then ok.

1 v 1 didn't end with Sakazuki hitting Whitbeard's chest because Whitebeard got back up for a counter attack. Sakakzuki stepped back once Whitebeard try to retaliate but the VA's stepped in.
So what exactly are you thinking, Sakazuki won from using VA's as a scapegoat? Whitebeard was still fighting.

The other guy I was talking about was light up the darkness. I don't actually know what your on about at the end because I never lectured you and I didn't pick any sides. Light up the darkness quoted me and I didn't wanna reply to him so I indirectly called him a moron in my reply to you. It had nothing to do with you.

Oh my bad. I thought you were lecturing me on calling some other guy a moron. I don't think Light up the darkness is a moron he's just trying to abbreviate what he's saying.

 

[Itachi Minato]

That's what killed him though. The difference between those slash and a stab is that Squardo's stab cause internal injury while slashes leave external injury.
It was at the end of all their attacks that they stabbed him with their swords which he still wasn't able to move shortly before dying. This proves to be that swords, gunshots, and canon attacks can be lethal.


My position is that if Whitebeard didn't have his organs torn up by that sword, the outcome of the fight may of been totally different and Whitebeard may of not been on his knees during that moment.
I'm saying that he could of actually ended things much faster because he wasted time and energy before that hit. Even if he happens to be on his knees when Akainu hits him in a one on one, that's still not going to stop him either way. Sakazuki had the advantage and he took it regardless at the end of the day. Did it stop Whitebeard? No, he still knocked him out with half his face gone.
So what of it? You said that Whitebeard is a tank, right?
You're also speculating that Sakazuki wasn't putting all of his effort into that fight too, we can't say that he is you know. One can argue that Whitebeard wasn't going 100% because of all his crew members he needed to protect and Ace needed to comeback safe and sound.
So we just take it as it is and say that both of them were trying to at least win during their fight.

1 v 1 didn't end with Sakazuki hitting Whitbeard's chest because Whitebeard got back up for a counter attack. Sakakzuki stepped back once Whitebeard try to retaliate but the VA's stepped in.
So what exactly are you thinking, Sakazuki won from using VA's as a scapegoat? Whitebeard was still fighting.

Oh my bad. I thought you were lecturing me on calling some other guy a moron. I don't think Light up the darkness is a moron he's just trying to abbreviate what he's saying.

OK this is gonna be my last post because this is way off topic now and I don't think we're getting anywhere so we'll have to agree to disagree.

My point is that it took all of that plus other injuries whitebeards received in the war that weren't stabs, gunshots or cannonball wounds to kill him like kizarus laser for example. If it took all of that to kill him, one stab is basically nothing to him. Even WB basically said that it was nothing. Marco afterwards was shocked that WB was even stabbed and realised his age has caught up with him because he didn't read it but no one was actually concerned about the stab. If you think it was a serious injury then fine but judging from the kind of stuff WB can take it was a like a scratch to him in my opinion

The way I see it is WB may not have been on his knees at that moment without the stab ( still think he would have because of what I said but let's say he isn't) he's too old and would have ended up in that position anyway. Fights between high tier characters don't end quickly. Oda barely let the top tiers clash in that war. Marco had a little scuffle with kizaru and nobody got any kind of damage. Kuzan only gained an advantage on jozu because he got distracted with WB. The fight between the two of them wouldn't end quickly either and you can even see this in the manga. The two of them were even till WB got ill. If you wanna say before facing akainu WB wasted a lot of energy then honesty I don't see it. We've talked about the stab wound, John giant was like swatting a fly for WB and we agree on the kuzan thing. If doing all that took that much out of WB then WB isn't that great tbh. And WB wasn't holding back. Akainu told him stop trying to destroy MF and WB just said stop me if you can which he did. I never said akainu isn't putting all his effort in. When WB went down akainu could have continued pummelling him. Oda had a bunch of marines jump in because he didn't want WB to end there. If akainu got knocked out later isn't part of the argument. The 1V1 ended a long time before that happened. There was no definitive winner but akainu was in the superior position.

If WB was able to get stabbed by a bunch of people much weaker than akainu then akainu could easily have punched him a few more times.

The war clearly showed WB limitations regarding his illness and so many characters talked about it. I don't think anyone showed any concern to any of the damage WB took but everyone was worried about him being ill. Don't see that kind of person beating any top tier character.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

OK this is gonna be my last post because this is way off topic now and I don't think we're getting anywhere so we'll have to agree to disagree.

My point is that it took all of that plus other injuries whitebeards received in the war that weren't stabs, gunshots or cannonball wounds to kill him like kizarus laser for example. If it took all of that to kill him, one stab is basically nothing to him. Even WB basically said that it was nothing. Marco afterwards was shocked that WB was even stabbed and realised his age has caught up with him because he didn't read it but no one was actually concerned about the stab. If you think it was a serious injury then fine but judging from the kind of stuff WB can take it was a like a scratch to him in my opinion

The way I see it is WB may not have been on his knees at that moment without the stab ( still think he would have because of what I said but let's say he isn't) he's too old and would have ended up in that position anyway. Fights between high tier characters don't end quickly. Oda barely let the top tiers clash in that war. Marco had a little scuffle with kizaru and nobody got any kind of damage. Kuzan only gained an advantage on jozu because he got distracted with WB. The fight between the two of them wouldn't end quickly either and you can even see this in the manga. The two of them were even till WB got ill. If you wanna say before facing akainu WB wasted a lot of energy then honesty I don't see it. We've talked about the stab wound, John giant was like swatting a fly for WB and we agree on the kuzan thing. If doing all that took that much out of WB then WB isn't that great tbh. And WB wasn't holding back. Akainu told him stop trying to destroy MF and WB just said stop me if you can which he did. I never said akainu isn't putting all his effort in. When WB went down akainu could have continued pummelling him. Oda had a bunch of marines jump in because he didn't want WB to end there. If akainu got knocked out later isn't part of the argument. The 1V1 ended a long time before that happened. There was no definitive winner but akainu was in the superior position.

If WB was able to get stabbed by a bunch of people much weaker than akainu then akainu could easily have punched him a few more times.

The war clearly showed WB limitations regarding his illness and so many characters talked about it. I don't think anyone showed any concern to any of the damage WB took but everyone was worried about him being ill. Don't see that kind of person beating any top tier character.

Well clearly you’re very admant about your opinion. Even going as far as to say that Whitebeard destroying the whole seaform of an entire island didn’t require any wasted amount of energy.

You even went as far as to say that in a 1 v 1 position Sakazuki won because he was in a superior position disregarding the fact that Whitebeard fought many other people before reaching Sakazuki so that wasn’t a 1 on 1.

On top of that being in a superior position and winning are two different things. It doesn’t make sense to be honest because despite Sakazuki being in a superior position, he still couldn’t finish Whitebeard. He didn’t win, he couldn’t put him down. In fact he left.
So how is failing to win in a superior position called winning?

I think I’m don’t here because you’re very strongly opinionated on this topic regardless of what I post from the manga. You disregard the fact that he brushed off Sakazuki’s attacks like flies prior to the injury and he is called the strongest man on earth for a reason.
If Sakazuki was stronger than Whitebeard at the time then he would hold that title.