[VS] Enel VS Akainu

[Punk Hazard]

Shout-out to WB renouncing his title as WSM and stating himself that Squard's stab did nothing.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Well clearly you’re very admant about your opinion. Even going as fair as to say that Whitebeard destroying the whole seaform of an entire island didn’t require any wasted amount of energy.

You even went as far as to say that in a 1 v 1 position Sakazuki won because he was in a superior position disregarding the fact that Whitebeard fought many other people before reaching Sakazuki so that wasn’t a 1 on 1.

On top of that being in a superior position and winning are two different things. It doesn’t make sense to be honest because despite Sakazuki being in a superior position, he still didn’t finish Whitebeard. He couldn’t win, he couldn’t put him down. In fact you left.
So how is failing to win in a superior position called winning?

I think I’m don’t here because you’re very strongly opinionated in this topic regardless of what I post from the manga. You disregard the fact that he brushed off Sakazuki’s attacks like flies prior to the injury and he is called the strongest man on earth for a reason.
If Sakazuki was stronger than Whitebeard at the time then he would hold that title.

Ahh I had to respond. Using his DF shouldn't require a whole lot of energy. It's like saying Luffy used up a lot of energy doing a jet pistol. His DF is based on destructiveness it shouldn't take a lot out of him to use it to cause massive damage.

Sorry I thought I said there was no clear winner? All I said was Akainu was in the superior position then Oda had a bunch of Marines jump in and they successfully stabbed WB a bunch of times. Akainu could have easily put another few holes in him. Why did Oda do that? I suspect because he didn't want to have WB defeated at this moment.

Dunno why you keep saying many other people. He fought John giant who was nothing to him, stabbed kuzan that's it. Yh he launched a few attacks but you seriously trying to say that that ate up a lot of his stamina? Then WB has some shit stamina and we know that's not true.

He brushed off akainus attacks and akainu brushed off his. Like I said they were even, nobody got a hit in until WB went down.

WB held that title from his time when he was in his prime. Since nobody actually ever defeated him why would the title change over? WB wasn't the strongest in the world at that moment. I'm sure BM for example is one of the people who could kill himHe was so old he had machines connected to him whenever we saw him out of battle. Old WB would never be able to beat a top tier character in his condition.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ahh I had to respond. Using his DF shouldn't require a whole lot of energy. It's like saying Luffy used up a lot of energy doing a jet pistol. His DF is based on destructiveness it shouldn't take a lot out of him to use it to cause massive damage.

Sorry I thought I said there was no clear winner? All I said was Akainu was in the superior position then Oda had a bunch of Marines jump in and they successfully stabbed WB a bunch of times. Akainu could have easily put another few holes in him. Why did Oda do that? I suspect because he didn't want to have WB defeated at this moment.

Dude, you’re comparing a jet punch to a beyond island busting attack? Whitebeard using a simple quake is him hardly using any effort, but breaking more than just the seaform of an island will require a hefty amount of effort.

Sakazuki’s first attack never put a hole in whitebeard’s body, it just opened up the one that already existed.
And it was Whitebeard that stopped Sakazuki from hitting him a second time. You didn’t see whitebeaed come for the counterattack? The VA’s tried to intercept it. Either way putting another hole in whitebeard’s body (attempting in Sakazuki’s case) wouldn’t stop him. Borsalino put a hole in Whitebeard’s body yet that didn’t stop him did it?

Dunno why you keep saying many other people. He fought John giant who was nothing to him, stabbed kuzan that's it. Yh he launched a few attacks but you seriously trying to say that that ate up a lot of his stamina? Then WB has some shit stamina and we know that's not true.

I’m not sure if you notice him dying on the battle field so his stamina is obviously going to be shit but his power hasn’t waivered.
The man is 72 years old about to die any minute.

He brushed off akainus attacks and akainu brushed off his. Like I said they were even, nobody got a hit in until WB went down.

:lol Dude Sakazuki never brushed off a single attack from Whitebeard. Whitebeard landed only two attacks on Sakazuki and Sakazuki went out unconscious before tunneling his way out underground.

WB held that title from his time when he was in his prime. Since nobody actually ever defeated him why would the title change over? WB wasn't the strongest in the world at that moment. I'm sure BM for example is one of the people who could kill himHe was so old he had machines connected to him whenever we saw him out of battle. Old WB would never be able to beat a top tier character in his condition.

No he still held the strongest man title even when he was out of his prime:

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During his prime he was already bested by Gol Rogers. The only man who attempted to take out the strongest man on when he was out of his prime is “the strongest creature,” Kaido.
And old Whitebeard in his current condition already beat Sakazuki in their unfair fight. He was killed by Teech w/crew when Sakazuki tunneled away. Sakazuki has no excuse because he didn’t fight anyone else prior to his fight with Whitebeard. So for him to not win in dominating fashion against Whitebeard with all the aid he had is beyond me if you really think Sakazuki is strong enough to take on a Yonko.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Now I’m officially done

 

[Itachi Minato]

Now I’m officially done

Yh there's no point in continuing this argument because we clearly saw the fight differently. This is why I barely ever get into any debate anyway.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Ahh I had to respond. Using his DF shouldn't require a whole lot of energy. It's like saying Luffy used up a lot of energy doing a jet pistol. His DF is based on destructiveness it shouldn't take a lot out of him to use it to cause massive damage.

Sorry I thought I said there was no clear winner? All I said was Akainu was in the superior position then Oda had a bunch of Marines jump in and they successfully stabbed WB a bunch of times. Akainu could have easily put another few holes in him. Why did Oda do that? I suspect because he didn't want to have WB defeated at this moment.

Dunno why you keep saying many other people. He fought John giant who was nothing to him, stabbed kuzan that's it. Yh he launched a few attacks but you seriously trying to say that that ate up a lot of his stamina? Then WB has some shit stamina and we know that's not true.

He brushed off akainus attacks and akainu brushed off his. Like I said they were even, nobody got a hit in until WB went down.

WB held that title from his time when he was in his prime. Since nobody actually ever defeated him why would the title change over? WB wasn't the strongest in the world at that moment. I'm sure BM for example is one of the people who could kill himHe was so old he had machines connected to him whenever we saw him out of battle. Old WB would never be able to beat a top tier character in his condition.

Well in his state WB didn't really have that good of stamina I wouldn't think, definitely not what it should have been. That said anyone who doesn't think WB's illness gave Akainu that win is deluding themselves a bit. Akainu took off a chunk of his head and he didn't flinch what more could he have done on his own to win that fight?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Well in his state WB didn't really have that good of stamina I wouldn't think, definitely not what it should have been. That said anyone who doesn't think WB's illness gave Akainu that win is deluding themselves a bit. Akainu took off a chunk of his head and he didn't flinch what more could he have done on his own to win that fight?

Actually get his brain? Akainu didn’t even take the eye on that part of his head

 

[Itachi Minato]

Well in his state WB didn't really have that good of stamina I wouldn't think, definitely not what it should have been. That said anyone who doesn't think WB's illness gave Akainu that win is deluding themselves a bit. Akainu took off a chunk of his head and he didn't flinch what more could he have done on his own to win that fight?

I don't think I said once that Akainu got the win. Where did I say akainu would have won if WB didn't get ill? I clearly said WBs illness left akainu in the stronger position.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Well in his state WB didn't really have that good of stamina I wouldn't think, definitely not what it should have been. That said anyone who doesn't think WB's illness gave Akainu that win is deluding themselves a bit. Akainu took off a chunk of his head and he didn't flinch what more could he have done on his own to win that fight?

For Sakazuki, it would be killing him instead of tunneling away.

 

[Punk Hazard]

For Sakazuki, it would be killing him instead of tunneling away.

A pointless gesture since WB was guaranteed to not be leaving MF at that point while Akainu's priority, Luffy, was escaping.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Actually get his brain? Akainu didn’t even take the eye on that part of his head

I'm going to start with I don't think Akainu did make contact with the brain but I feel a case can be made;

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If this real life person can live without a damn cerebellum for 24 years I think a fictional character can last a few hours after losing a piece of his brain without us questioning too much.

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He clearly gets a good piece of his head gone and what seems like about half the eye but at least a part if you don't agree a half.

All that aside he did land a shot center mass where lungs or heart would be and WB still didn't die and we can't ignore these attacks all came at the opportunity of illness and multiple enemies.


And you say it like he would have been able to easily do it despite not being able to do it in the midst of the chaos and with failing health advantages to exploit. I agree that's a good way to kill someone but based on the events we've seen Akainu wouldn't likely be able to accomplish that on his own.

I don't think I said once that Akainu got the win. Where did I say akainu would have won if WB didn't get ill? I clearly said WBs illness left akainu in the stronger position.

I didn't say you did, I was replying to your statement about his stamina. Beyond that I agreed with you that Akainu was able to do what he did because of WB's illness.

For Sakazuki, it would be killing him instead of tunneling away.

I don't understand how that's an answer to my post. I said what more could Akainu have done to win and you say kill him and not tunnel away. Ok....

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'm going to start with I don't think Akainu did make contact with the brain but I feel a case can be made;

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If this real life person can live without a damn cerebellum for 24 years I think a fictional character can last a few hours after losing a piece of his brain without us questioning too much.

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He clearly gets a good piece of his head gone and what seems like about half the eye but at least a part if you don't agree a half.

All that aside he did land a shot center mass where lungs or heart would be and WB still didn't die and we can't ignore these attacks all came at the opportunity of illness and multiple enemies.


And you say it like he would have been able to easily do it despite not being able to do it in the midst of the chaos and with failing health advantages to exploit. I agree that's a good way to kill someone but based on the events we've seen Akainu wouldn't likely be able to accomplish that on his own.



I didn't say you did, I was replying to your statement about his stamina. Beyond that I agreed with you that Akainu was able to do what he did because of WB's illness.




I don't understand how that's an answer to my post. I said what more could Akainu have done to win and you say kill him and not tunnel away. Ok....

Are you serious? :|
Killing Whitebeard is what he could’ve done to win that fight since damaging him isn’t enough. What’s so hard to understanding? I’ve completely answered your question. Him leaving Whitebeard by tunneling away is called conceding.

 

[Light up the Darkness]

Rikudou Tobi won another debate with Facts from the manga ( As always )

WB was known to be " the strongest man in the world " this is a confirmation from ODA himself
so ignoring this = ignoring manga facts

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Back to the Topic

for Akainu fanboys , if Akainu has the ability to Beat Enel

then how he can defeat him if we don't see from the manga ( until now ) anything Rather than his DF power ?


Enel has ( said this million time ) MORE than DF power

he has observation haki + Teleporting + Speed close to Kizaru
( Re-read the manga again to see this )


Now Since both DF powers will not work on each other

HOW akainu can defeat Enel ? Especially Based what we have seen till now From akainu's power ?

i want logical answer and ACTUAL manga Facts ..​

 

[chopstickchakra]

Are you serious? :|
Killing Whitebeard is what he could’ve done to win that fight since damaging him isn’t enough. What’s so hard to understanding? I’ve completely answered your question. Him leaving Whitebeard by tunneling away is called conceding.

I asked besides taking off a piece of his head and putting a hole through the center of his chest what else could Akainu do to kill him(because that's what winning that fight would be). You answered, kill him. That's not an applicable answer. And in case you missed it I'm saying healthy WB wins this 1v1.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I asked besides taking off a piece of his head and putting a hole through the center of his chest what else could Akainu do to kill him(because that's what winning that fight would be). You answered, kill him. That's not an applicable answer. And in case you missed it I'm saying healthy WB wins this 1v1.

Sakazuki didn’t put a hole in his chest, he just opened up the wound Squardo gave Whitebeard.
Taking his head off completely will kill Whitebeard, Whitebeard is not immortal. Blackbeard pirates did finish the job you know so whatever they did to end Whitebeard, Sakazuki could’ve done the equivalent.
That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Sakazuki didn’t put a hole in his chest, he just opened up the wound Squardo gave Whitebeard.
Taking his head off completely will kill Whitebeard, Whitebeard is not immortal. Blackbeard pirates did finish the job you know so whatever they did to end Whitebeard, Sakazuki could’ve done the equivalent.
That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you.

??? Whatever a group of people consisting of a future Yonkou and natural DF user weakness Teach and 3 Admirals, Akainu could do on his own? On what grounds?

I know what kills people the point is with all the advantages present Akainu wasn't able to do it so why and how could he do it alone against a WB with no illness? You're answer of "kill him" does not address this.

And yes Sakazuki put a hole in his chest. Doesn't matter if he went into an existing hole or not he shoved his hand through the WB's center of mass with a magma fist and left a clearly large hole.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

??? Whatever a group of people consisting of a future Yonkou and natural DF user weakness Teach and 3 Admirals, Akainu could do on his own? On what grounds?

You’re acting like Teech and his crew use their own individual skill/devil fruit powers to kill Whitebeard.

I know what kills people the point is with all the advantages present Akainu wasn't able to do it so why and how could he do it alone against a WB with no illness? You're answer of "kill him" does not address this.

Alright so now I know where you stand clearly with this comment. Even with Whitebeard’s old age and disadvantages you still say that Whitebeard wins regardless because Sakazuki couldn’t do anything on his own to put him away.
I thought you were making this condition. Nevermind I misunderstood.

And yes Sakazuki put a hole in his chest. Doesn't matter if he went into an existing hole or not he shoved his hand through the WB's center of mass with a magma fist and left a clearly large hole.

You don’t put a hole in an already existing one, it doesn’t work that way. So no, Sakazuki did not put a hole in Whitebeard’s chest.

 

[chopstickchakra]

You’re acting like Teech and his crew use their own individual skill/devil fruit powers to kill Whitebeard.

You're acting like Akainu could deal all the combined damage WB received at MF on his own.

Alright so now I know where you stand clearly with this comment. Even with Whitebeard’s old age and disadvantages you still say that Whitebeard wins regardless because Sakazuki couldn’t do anything on his own to put him away.
I thought you were making this condition. Nevermind I misunderstood.

Not entirely, I say with just the age WB would have won. I do believe the illness would cause him to lose eventually. I'm saying the only reason Akainu was able/would be able to beat WB in a 1v1 is the illness, if WB was only old and not ill too I don't think Akainu showed enough to confirm he'd win. My original post was that if anyone thinks Akainu won due to any reason other than the illness they are fooling themselves. Aka didn't win because he was stronger or faster, no illness - no win imo.

You don’t put a hole in an already existing one, it doesn’t work that way. So no, Sakazuki did not put a hole in Whitebeard’s chest.

Potato potahto if a piece of paper has a pencil hole in it and I punch that paper where the pencil hole was and I make a bigger hole, for all intents and purposes, I made a hole in the paper. One could argue Squard made a slit not a hole but I'm not gonna argue semantics. At the end of it the fact remains Akainu had a magma fist dug into whitebeard's chest center mass right around his lungs and heart.

 

[Itachi Minato]

You're acting like Akainu could deal all the combined damage WB received at MF on his own.



Not entirely, I say with just the age WB would have won. I do believe the illness would cause him to lose eventually. I'm saying the only reason Akainu was able/would be able to beat WB in a 1v1 is the illness, if WB was only old and not ill too I don't think Akainu showed enough to confirm he'd win. My original post was that if anyone thinks Akainu won due to any reason other than the illness they are fooling themselves. Aka didn't win because he was stronger or faster, no illness - no win imo.



Potato potahto if a piece of paper has a pencil hole in it and I punch that paper where the pencil hole was and I make a bigger hole, for all intents and purposes, I made a hole in the paper. One could argue Squard made a slit not a hole but I'm not gonna argue semantics. At the end of it the fact remains Akainu had a magma fist dug into whitebeard's chest center mass right around his lungs and heart.

The thing is there is no such thing as an old WB who isn't ill. Being ill is a part of the WB we saw. I think WB would have died after MF anyway with half his head blown off. He probably knew that already it seemed to me he came to MF prepared to die. Well they were all prepared to die but WB was expecting it if you know what I mean. Like after they rescued ace he wasn't planning on leaving.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

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