[VS] Enel VS Akainu

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i say Enel > Akainu high diff

speed and observation Haki is a key factor here ​

But how would he hit Akainu?

 

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But how would he hit Akainu?

since BOTH are logia

that give Enel a big Chance
plus as i said Enel showed better Observation Haki and Teleporting Comparing to Akainu

so Enel has in his favor the Logia DF + Observation Haki , he can predict akainu movements
but akainu doesn't has this feature

there is possibillty akainu will tank Enel's lightning attacks

but we have confirmation that fire or even Magma doesn't effect Enel

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As we See Clearly in the Scans Above
Enel is USED to Heat Because electricity simply can Create Heat and Fire with High pressure


that's why Enel was holding the Nonosama Bo even though it has Extreme Heat

while we See luffy has his Hands Burned and he is a Rubber


also we see in the anime the Nonosama Bo weapon with MAGMA DROPS when enel put high electricity pressure on it

so this IF Akainu and only IF can harm enel without Haki , Enel has resistance to it


the question is , does akainu have features like Observation Haki and Fast Teleporting like Enel ?

and the interesting logical point from Rikudou Tobi ( i like his points )

can akainu protect himself from Rain if Enel Created Clouds like we see and use lightning on it = Rain

you know Rain + lightning definitely will Hit akainu because Rain will nullify his DF power



and all of this without HAKI


akainu doesn't show anything rather than his DF power
unlike Enel who has actually as i said more than DF power​

 

[Punk Hazard]

Rikudou Tobi already post it in the previous page

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your Eyesight is ok or just like the other guy above ? ​

What part of that is Akainu being unconscious? The part where he’s yelling?

Told you that idiot is just trash. Look at his excuse? That moron thinks that the thought bubble at the end of the page was Sakazuki speaking. :lol

Those aren’t thought bubbles lmfao the panels right above that with Marines yelling to Sakazuki are drawn the exact same way.

And secondly, if those are thought bubbles, it still defeats your argument because you can’t think when you’re unconscious.

Sakazuki's head was on the ground with his feet up in the air. Are you telling me that a conscious person is doing that in a fight?

You really trying to make it seem like Akainu being conscious means he chose to lay down like that in the middle of a fight? You must be trolling.

That's why I said that Riker is an idiot that doesn't know the 3 stages of concussions because he's never left his mother's basement before.
Just ignore him.

Lmfaooo being concussed doesn’t automatically mean you lose consciousness. There is no panel showing Akainu being unconscious.

There was a time when he said that Doflamingo is Admiral level and that Admirals would mid diff a Yonko in a fight.

Wrong on both counts. I said Doffy has displayed better physical strength than Fujitora and I have never said any Admiral would beat any Emperor mid-diff at their best.

He even said that and Admiral would beat Gol Rogers in a fight too meaning Doflamingo > Pirate King

This just serves to highlight how dumb you sound, since I never said Doffy was stronger than all Admirals nor did I ever say all Admirals>Gol. D Roger

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So this is how consious people look like now?

If Sakazuki was consious... How did he end up underground? How did he fall underground? :th:
People are really disrespecting Yonko's now a days that it's not even funny.

Because an earthquake broke the ground and he decided to use that as his chance to flank Luffy, one of the two people he announced were his top priorities WHILE WB was alive?

i've met unlogical + idiotic people like him before

Admirals are overrated , why ?


because some people like this guy and the guy above in their weird mind
think that Admirals is there to BALANCE the Strength of the pirates especially YONKO

so in their ( genius mind ) come to a conclusion that Admiral = Yonko​

How is it balance if one side is above the other? That’s the exact opposite of balance. The balance of three powers also was never my argument for why 1 Admiral could challenge and beat one Emperor depending on who the Admiral and Emperor is.

if this is True ( and not Fantasy and cheap assumptions )

then why all 3 Admirals Fought WB ? if an admiral = Yonko then why don't they sit
and let one admiral fight WB

They did? Aokiji stopped the tsunamis and engaged WB by himself while the other two were literally sitting and letting him do it.

Both times Akainu fought WB, no Admirals stepped in and Marines only joined the skirmish once Akainu had already gained the upper hand and critically injured WB. Kizaru also had no other Admirals step in when he clashed with WB.

In fact, The WB Pirates were the ones who had people interfering, with Jozu blindsiding Aokiji, Marco blocking Kizaru’s attack and WB attacking Akainu while he was focused on Marco.

2 admirals didn't even succeed hitting Marco or Jozu let alone WB

An Admiral literally defeated Jozu(I hope you try the “Jozu was distracted” argument, please try it).

and two of them go Toe to Toe with these admirals without any problem or struggling

Funny how you’ll agree Doffy is below the Admirals and then say the Admirals are no stronger than Jozu, someone portrayed as inferior to Doffy.

Even Ace has a chance to Beat the Admiral Aokiji
Because he has his counter

No he doesn’t. Ace blocked one attack from Aokiji and utterly lost to the person that Aokiji pushed near death.

if Admiral = Yonko then there no need also to bring ALL the shichibukai
to fight ALONG with the Admirals and the marine

Because the purpose of the war was to execute Ace, not fight WB. They went for overkill, not a fair fight. And that’s why the WB pirates were utterly defeated.

why Songoku said " this man has the power to Destroy the world "

Because he does? The Admirals are still capable of taking him down; destructive power is only one facet of a fight.

Akainu is powerful no one denying this , but there is a Big Gap between him and these Legends of one piece
like WB , Garp , Shanks etc

overrating him and gets more excited ( by riding him ) is not good for the mental health


i don't see the WILD Tough Akainu doing anything here

in front of a YONKO of his prime and with FULL HEALTH

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he was sweating not because of the magu magu no mi DF

actually he was sweating in front of a Yonko

and being a good kid not to attack or doing something cause him his life

that's why he didn't fight Shanks

it's logical











why everyone shat on their pants and did nothing in this Scan below

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Because Shanks was speaking to all people not only BB crew



in the end
Yonko Commander = or Sometimes > admiral


that's why the shichibukai are Marine allies
and fight with them​

Jesus this has been done to death. The Marines didn’t attack Shanks because:

1. The Balance of Power was already in chaos due to WB dying and there only being four Warlords remaining. Shanks being defeated would just create more issues; The death of one Emperor threw the New World into chaos. The death of two of them would serve no purpose but to create even more chaos.

2. The Marines were already pushing their luck by continuing to attack the pirates after the death of Ace and WB. Smoker and Coby both noted that the Marines only looked bloodthirsty and no longer like they were pursuing justice. Fighting Shanks would have stained the name of the Marines.​

 

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since BOTH are logia

that give Enel a big Chance
plus as i said Enel showed better Observation Haki and Teleporting Comparing to Akainu

so Enel has in his favor the Logia DF + Observation Haki , he can predict akainu movements
but akainu doesn't has this feature

there is possibillty akainu will tank Enel's lightning attacks

but we have confirmation that fire or even Magma doesn't effect Enel

want a proof ?

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You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

As we See Clearly in the Scans Above
Enel is USED to Heat Because electricity simply can Create Heat and Fire with High pressure


that's why Enel was holding the Nonosama Bo even though it has Extreme Heat

while we See luffy has his Hands Burned and he is a Rubber


also we see in the anime the Nonosama Bo weapon with MAGMA DROPS when enel put high electricity pressure on it

so this IF Akainu and only IF can harm enel without Haki , Enel has resistance to it


the question is , does akainu have features like Observation Haki and Fast Teleporting like Enel ?

and the interesting logical point from Rikudou Tobi ( i like his points )

can akainu protect himself from Rain if Enel Created Clouds like we see and use lightning on it = Rain

you know Rain + lightning definitely will Hit akainu because Rain will nullify his DF power



and all of this without HAKI


akainu doesn't show anything rather than his DF power
unlike Enel who has actually as i said more than DF power​

I already addressed the rain point and no, rain will not stop magma in fact there are instances of rainsrops being fossilized within the magma. You can check the link I posted in my reply to him.

As for the elements themselves Lightning and Magma would have no effect on each other. Lightning can not stop magma and vise versa. Which means the only way either could do damage to the other is by making contact with haki clad hits. Enel doesn't have this capability as far as we know.

 

[Lord Tywin]

i like how you are ignoring every point in my previous post

i guess i clarified that WB was INJURED before fighting Akainu who was at his FULL HEALTH

and even with that he got owned and collapsed as we see in the Scan

also another point , how is it a sneak attack if Akainu in the SAME SCAN attacked whitebeard first
and burned part of his Face as we see clearly in the Scan

your eyesight must be weak ​

Wtf? WB only took a sword from Squardo and that was it. With the monster stamina he’s shown that was nothing to him. Akainu didng collapse, he fell into a pit. As far as we know Akainu can’t levitate so he has no way of preventing himself from falling into a pit right under him. The sneak attack was when Akainu was going after Luffy and WB showed up behind him and punched him. WB’s second punch wasn’t a sneak attack but compare that to Akainu taking half of WB’s face, dealing a lethal blow. Ironic that you’re making fun of my sight when you can’t even read the manga they was it’s supposed to be read, right to left. Most of you that think Yonko are far above the admirals probably read the manga left to right

 

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So WB’s strongest quake punch made Akainu lose consciousness for a split second, didn’t deal any permanent damage, and was so ineffective that let Akainu to go on and shit all over WB commanders? While Akainu put a hole in WB and took half of his face right after he was cheap shotted? Akainu was clearly the strongest character in the war and he’s still is in the manga right behind Kaido and possibly Teach

 

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I already addressed the rain point and no, rain will not stop magma in fact there are instances of rainsrops being fossilized within the magma. You can check the link I posted in my reply to him.

As for the elements themselves Lightning and Magma would have no effect on each other. Lightning can not stop magma and vise versa. Which means the only way either could do damage to the other is by making contact with haki clad hits. Enel doesn't have this capability as far as we know.

since As you said magma and lightning has no effect on each other

and since akainu didn't show anything special rather than his DF power

what make you think he will defeat Enel ?

Because as i said many times Enel have More than DF power ​

 

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Wtf? WB only took a sword from Squardo and that was it. With the monster stamina he’s shown that was nothing to him. Akainu didng collapse, he fell into a pit. As far as we know Akainu can’t levitate so he has no way of preventing himself from falling into a pit right under him. The sneak attack was when Akainu was going after Luffy and WB showed up behind him and punched him. WB’s second punch wasn’t a sneak attack but compare that to Akainu taking half of WB’s face, dealing a lethal blow. Ironic that you’re making fun of my sight when you can’t even read the manga they was it’s supposed to be read, right to left. Most of you that think Yonko are far above the admirals probably read the manga left to right

Clearly you don't know what you talking about + you don't read the manga


WB took many Attacks before the second Hit from Akainu

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it's been clear he received many bullets + Canons + swords in the War and most of it before akainu confrontation

so don't say he received only a hit from one of his crew before fighting akainu because manga disagrees with you

and not on your side​

 

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So WB’s strongest quake punch made Akainu lose consciousness for a split second, didn’t deal any permanent damage, and was so ineffective that let Akainu to go on and shit all over WB commanders? While Akainu put a hole in WB and took half of his face right after he was cheap shotted? Akainu was clearly the strongest character in the war and he’s still is in the manga right behind Kaido and possibly Teach

Speaking of " SNEAK ATTACK "


actually who started the sneak attack thing is akainu himself


and since you don't focus on the Manga i'll help you

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Akainu Himself ADMITTED
that whitebeard is not in his Prime

and it's reasonable that's why we See medical care for WB before the war when he met Shanks

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and Look in the scan above

who is taking this Chance of WB Exhausted because of many attacks

and Hit him With a SNEAK ATTACK

who is this guy ? oh wait it's Akainu !!


so Akainu started this , and this is his first hit with a sneak attack of course



and Even with all of this , with WB getting hit from kizaru and the marine and from akainu

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he is Still Standing while Akainu collapsed because of one hit only from WB
and was out for hours or many minutes


who is standing and who is falling here ?



WB is Clearly the winner in this confrontation

unless you think people being unconscious is the winner , that's a different story​

 

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since As you said magma and lightning has no effect on each other

and since akainu didn't show anything special rather than his DF power

what make you think he will defeat Enel ?

Because as i said many times Enel have More than DF power ​

Because Akainu is the only one who can deal damage in this battle. So the only option Enel has is lose or tie and as I've expressed to Rikodou above Akainu's 10 day fight against an Admiral dwarfs any stamina feat or implication Enel has. Enel would gas out before 10 days and Akainu would be able to land hits. Even Riko acknowledged all the hits were roughly one G4 hit and Luffy just got done fightign 2 characters below Admiral who took multiple so if Enel was taken out by what is roughly 1 G4 shot how long could he last against Akainu?

Enel has more than his DF with his ob haki sure but that can't help him win the fight. Enel literally has no method to win the fight. His speed and Mantra will help him make this a mid(high end) dif fight maybe even high diff but I doubt that.

 

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Because Akainu is the only one who can deal damage in this battle. So the only option Enel has is lose or tie and as I've expressed to Rikodou above Akainu's 10 day fight against an Admiral dwarfs any stamina feat or implication Enel has. Enel would gas out before 10 days and Akainu would be able to land hits. Even Riko acknowledged all the hits were roughly one G4 hit and Luffy just got done fightign 2 characters below Admiral who took multiple so if Enel was taken out by what is roughly 1 G4 shot how long could he last against Akainu?

Enel has more than his DF with his ob haki sure but that can't help him win the fight. Enel literally has no method to win the fight. His speed and Mantra will help him make this a mid(high end) dif fight maybe even high diff but I doubt that.

this is a Contradiction

in your previous post you said Akainu DF will not work on Enel and vise versa

and you said the only way to hit Enel is with Haki since both Devil fruits will not work on each other

now you say Akainu is the only one who can deal a damage in this battle ,
how he can do this
if he doesn't SHOW ANYTHING rather than his DF POWER

we didn't see other features like teleportation or OB Haki or anything else

Stamina will work and be a key factor if you HAVE a DF that Counter the other DF

because Magma > Ice

lightning will not be effected by Magma

you even agree on this point ​

 

[Punk Hazard]

Speaking of " SNEAK ATTACK "


actually who started the sneak attack thing is akainu himself


and since you don't focus on the Manga i'll help you

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Akainu Himself ADMITTED
that whitebeard is not in his Prime

and it's reasonable that's why we See medical care for WB before the war when he met Shanks

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and Look in the scan above

who is taking this Chance of WB Exhausted because of many attacks

and Hit him With a SNEAK ATTACK

who is this guy ? oh wait it's Akainu !!


so Akainu started this , and this is his first hit with a sneak attack of course



and Even with all of this , with WB getting hit from kizaru and the marine and from akainu

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he is Still Standing while Akainu collapsed because of one hit only from WB
and was out for hours or many minutes


who is standing and who is falling here ?



WB is Clearly the winner in this confrontation

unless you think people being unconscious is the winner , that's a different story​

That’s not a sneak attack

 

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this is a Contradiction

in your previous post you said Akainu DF will not work on Enel and vise versa

and you said the only way to hit Enel is with Haki since both Devil fruits will not work on each other

now you say Akainu is the only one who can deal a damage in this battle ,
how he can do this
if he doesn't SHOW ANYTHING rather than his DF POWER

we didn't see other features like teleportation or OB Haki or anything else

Stamina will work and be a key factor if you HAVE a DF that Counter the other DF

because Magma > Ice

lightning will not be effected by Magma

you even agree on this point ​

HAKI

This isn't a DF only fight. Akainu has armament haki. This means Akainu can make his magma hit Enel's physical body. Enel can not use haki to make his lightning hit Akainu's physical body. Enel's lightning will not be able to do damage because it has no elemental advantage over magma and he can not bypass Akainu's logia defense. Akainu, however, can.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

HAKI

This isn't a DF only fight. Akainu has armament haki. This means Akainu can make his magma hit Enel's physical body. Enel can not use haki to make his lightning hit Akainu's physical body. Enel's lightning will not be able to do damage because it has no elemental advantage over magma and he can not bypass Akainu's logia defense. Akainu, however, can.

Wait how is Ene going to cover magma in Haki? Wouldn’t that just block the effects of the devil fruit power? Haki is a spiritual armour, so Sakazuki covering his magma with a shield is just magma in a container.
Unless Sakazuki is gonna used something similar to grilled mochi?

 

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Wait how is Ene going to cover magma in Haki? Wouldn’t that just block the effects of the devil fruit power? Haki is a spiritual armour, so Sakazuki covering his magma with a shield is just magma in a container.
Unless Sakazuki is gonna used something similar to grilled mochi?

You mean Akainu. I don't know exactly how Oda would decide for it to work but even if it did nullify his magma effect it still allows the mass of the magma to make contact. Or are logia who come across each other with no discernible elemental advantage restricted to fighting each other hand to hand? I suppose that could be the case but it seems rather limiting which is one thing One Piece typically is not. Point still being one has the capability to make contact the other doesn't, Enel can only tie at best he can not win.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

You mean Akainu. I don't know exactly how Oda would decide for it to work but even if it did nullify his magma effect it still allows the mass of the magma to make contact. Or are logia who come across each other with no discernible elemental advantage restricted to fighting each other hand to hand? I suppose that could be the case but it seems rather limiting which is one thing One Piece typically is not. Point still being one has the capability to make contact the other doesn't, Enel can only tie at best he can not win.

Yes I meant Akainu, my bad.
Well this is just a topic that applies to all Logias around and not just Sakazuki. We've seen conflicting situations like this when it comes to Ace vs Smoker and Ace vs Kuzan. A captain commander level, Warlord level, and an Admiral level people clashing with their devil fruit powers 2/3 of them have haki and yet the battle remained evenly matched on both ends.

I personally don't think Enel can tie with Skakazuki, I think Sakazuki wins because an Admiral has more refined fighting skills than a skypia logia but the problem does lie within what haki can do here to compliment his powers. This is going to be a big issue in the manga and I'm sure that people are not going to like the results as much. Maybe Df powers will affect each other despite the elements being nearly the same. Like if caught of guard Sakazuki can burn Enel some how despite being a lightning man?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Wait how is Ene going to cover magma in Haki? Wouldn’t that just block the effects of the devil fruit power? Haki is a spiritual armour, so Sakazuki covering his magma with a shield is just magma in a container.
Unless Sakazuki is gonna used something similar to grilled mochi?

Zoro covering his slash in Haki didn’t make it blunt. Luffy coveting his body in Haki didn’t take away the elasticity. When Katakuri kicked Luffy with his Haki-covered Mochi let, it still acted as a liquid. If this “container” Logic was true, Luffy wouldn’t have gotten stuck inside Katakuri’s Haki-covered Mochi, it would have acted like a barrier between Luffy and the Mochi.

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[Lord Tywin]

Clearly you don't know what you talking about + you don't read the manga


WB took many Attacks before the second Hit from Akainu

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do you see the scan above ? Good


it's been clear he received many bullets + Canons + swords in the War and most of it before akainu confrontation

so don't say he received only a hit from one of his crew before fighting akainu because manga disagrees with you

and not on your side​

Look at the hole in his chest in that second. All of those attacks came after akainu put a hole in him. I didn’t mention the second encounter on this part, I was talking about the first one.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Speaking of " SNEAK ATTACK "


actually who started the sneak attack thing is akainu himself


and since you don't focus on the Manga i'll help you

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Akainu Himself ADMITTED
that whitebeard is not in his Prime

and it's reasonable that's why we See medical care for WB before the war when he met Shanks

You must be registered for see images

and Look in the scan above

who is taking this Chance of WB Exhausted because of many attacks

and Hit him With a SNEAK ATTACK

who is this guy ? oh wait it's Akainu !!


so Akainu started this , and this is his first hit with a sneak attack of course



and Even with all of this , with WB getting hit from kizaru and the marine and from akainu

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he is Still Standing while Akainu collapsed because of one hit only from WB
and was out for hours or many minutes


who is standing and who is falling here ?



WB is Clearly the winner in this confrontation

unless you think people being unconscious is the winner , that's a different story​

Lmao this guy said he was out minutes or hours. It was mere moments. Shitty logic and comprehension altogether

 

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Lmao this guy said he was out minutes or hours. It was mere moments. Shitty logic and comprehension altogether

once he was unconscious and WB was standing and akainu on the ground then clearly WB is the winner

you the one who ignore manga facts because you're a delusional akainu fanboy

you have weak argument and can't counter my previous post with actual Facts

as i posted akainu started the sneak attack



the akainu riders aka fanboys logic
" the person on the ground is the winner and the person who is standing is the loser "


expected a comeback , i guess not

even a 6 years old will have a better argument

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WB > Akainu
Shanks > Akainu
Garp > Akainu
Dragon > Akainu
Kaido > Akainu
Big mom > ِAkainu
BlackBeard > Akainu ​