Ending the Kisame vs Jiraiya debate
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Blaze Release
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If i made a thread and just made a statement about who i think would win then yes, its strongly opinion based. If i looked at abilities and everything else it becomes even and unbiased. I do however agree that its very hard to change people mind on nb U_U
TheSages456
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imo i cant really see jiraiya losing to kisame.
since that statement about kisame losing to jiraiya was made in part 1 if we strictly go by part 1 abilities j man would beat kisame.
going by part 2 abilities jiraiya was stated to be able to beat pain with knowledge who was the strongest in akatsuki so at the very most kisame can stalemate jiraiya with extreme difficulty.
since that statement about kisame losing to jiraiya was made in part 1 if we strictly go by part 1 abilities j man would beat kisame.
going by part 2 abilities jiraiya was stated to be able to beat pain with knowledge who was the strongest in akatsuki so at the very most kisame can stalemate jiraiya with extreme difficulty.
Blaze Release
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Ive already brushed aside this argument with little effort. Seems like only siyo could come up with something better U_U
Naruto N. Uzumaki
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i stop taking blaze stuff serious he doesn't see that j man is just on another level to kisame j man has tons of summon that by him time but he dosnt see that and has the strongest sound genjutsu that u only need to hear to be caught in it tunnel or not j man mad the most of his surrounding a and j man sage speed will kill him end of
j-man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kisame
j-man>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kisame
TheSages456
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well since the statement was made in part 1 i was going by part 1 abilities. going by part 1 abilities jiraiya>kisame
Blaze Release
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You are all the wrong things on nb
As i said if this is your argument, ive already brushed it aside with ease. Also note that part 1 is different from part 2.
Easyfathom
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I will re-post my post, since my post was left far behind with no one answering to me
ACTUALLY J-man can absorb nature's chakra at any moment without the need of pa and ma OBVIOUSLY WITH THE RISKS..... He just needs the perfect timing, when Kisame is attacking to absorb chakra to stop himself from transforming and give the nature's chakra to kisame.....
Naruto wasn't on Sage mode, but tried to enter while Petra path was absorbing his chakra causing him to turn into stone.
Sorry Blaze Realese, BUT NO, THIS FIGHT IS NOT "THAT EASY"
as you said before only Kishi knows the answer, but have in mind that Characters such as: Minato, Hiruzen, Zabuza, Haku, Oro, all of them and many more died too soon. While according to story Hiruzen is a prodigy, god of shinobis, but HIS SKILLS LACKED DEVELOPEMENT THROUGHT "TV ON AIR TIME", while characters such as: Gaara, A, Naruto, Sasuke, etc were always improving and seemed more stronger than those who died soon and couldn't show more of their skills "on air", making them look weaker.
In my opinion it is a pretty even fight, but Jiraiya takes it
ACTUALLY J-man can absorb nature's chakra at any moment without the need of pa and ma OBVIOUSLY WITH THE RISKS..... He just needs the perfect timing, when Kisame is attacking to absorb chakra to stop himself from transforming and give the nature's chakra to kisame.....
Naruto wasn't on Sage mode, but tried to enter while Petra path was absorbing his chakra causing him to turn into stone.
Sorry Blaze Realese, BUT NO, THIS FIGHT IS NOT "THAT EASY"
as you said before only Kishi knows the answer, but have in mind that Characters such as: Minato, Hiruzen, Zabuza, Haku, Oro, all of them and many more died too soon. While according to story Hiruzen is a prodigy, god of shinobis, but HIS SKILLS LACKED DEVELOPEMENT THROUGHT "TV ON AIR TIME", while characters such as: Gaara, A, Naruto, Sasuke, etc were always improving and seemed more stronger than those who died soon and couldn't show more of their skills "on air", making them look weaker.
In my opinion it is a pretty even fight, but Jiraiya takes it
Blaze Release
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When it comes to siyo, he requires my full attention and right now i cannot give him that. When im ready ill take my time with him U_UWhich you said you would counter... Interested on how this is going to go
NO more double posts or off topic posts unless you love infractions.
And it would be best that the guys with double posts start editting and deleting it themselves before I start thread cleaning.
If I have to do it then don't whine when you get infracted.
And it would be best that the guys with double posts start editting and deleting it themselves before I start thread cleaning.
If I have to do it then don't whine when you get infracted.
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yuan of cruxis
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People keep saying he cant suck Nature chakra to use
But he doesnt have to use to chakra, he could just keep it for his sword
But he doesnt have to use to chakra, he could just keep it for his sword
the point is that supposedly there are characters that have gotten more airtime than others and are able to show more amazing things than those that were taken down too soon. Those characters that were taken down too soon will always stay the same, unless a filler episode or any memory thing happens, other than that they will stay the same. Meanwhile a character who hasn't been killed, kishi can always add some new stuff just to make that person fight on par of the "new overpowered ones"
in this case....... Jiraiya died with us knowing about him....... Swamp of underworld, summonings, sage mode (and all the stuff within it), strong fire jutsus. But Kisame died much later, (showing us stuff that can par him on 8 tailed bee's level, which in my opinion Jiraiya wouldn't be able to do as far as the moment when he died)
some characters development stop in a certain, but others will get bigger developements to fight the main characters on par.
hope you have understood my point.
AND I JIRAIYA CAN STILL ABSORB NATURE'S CHAKRA, WITHOUT THE NEED OF PA OR MA, HE JUST NEED THE PERFECT TIMING TO NOT TURN INTO A FROG STATUE AND LET KISAME STEAL THAT NATURE'S CHAKRA
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Easyfathom
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haha, watch out for these guys...
heh, hell, whatever is best for you. Just thought you weren't going to reply after making about 5 posts after that comment. Take all the time you need, I look forward to seeing it
Peace.
I think you are not understanding what I say.
It is true that Jiraiya is not able to control Sage Mode, BUT HE IS ABLE TO ABSORB THE NATURE'S CHAKRA, which if it is absorbed in the right moment when Kisame attacks, THAT VERY SAME CHAKRA will be transferred to Kisame Samehada. OBVIOUSLY THIS HAS THE RISK OF TURNING JIRAIYA INTO A FROG, BUT IT IS MUCH OF A GAMBLE.
it is a huge gamble, if Kisame realizes what Jiraiya is doing it's only time for Jiraiya to turn into stone, but if Kisame doesn't realizes that and directly attacks Jiraiya, Jiraiya will be left without Nature chakra, because he will most likely stop it. The sword would be turned into stone and Kisame himself will be an easier match for base jiraiya and further more SM Jiraiya.
Mind your tongue Mr. Not agreeing with you doesn't make anyone a fool. Consider this a warning.
Comments like this and titles like "ending the debate.." for totally opinion based topics aren't a plus you know.
Why do you post in that colour again? It's unreadable unless you are quoted and is annoying. My fingers twitch to neg rep you for making my eyes hurt..
How about you try to give your reasoning for suggesting such a preposition.
Well Blaze was fast.
Chances are Blaze won't.heh, hell, whatever is best for you. Just thought you weren't going to reply after making about 5 posts after that comment. Take all the time you need, I look forward to seeing it
Peace.
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Easyfathom
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Well Blaze was fast.
True, to an idot without and logic
I give credit for him though when taking the time and making a valuable response that I enjoy to read Meh, I won't give up my hopes, time to sit back and waitChances are Blaze won't.
(Secretly checking the thread every 5 mins)
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I think you have shown your admiration ample times already. Do you have anything to contribute to original arguments or any real counter for subsequent replies against it on your own?
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