EMS Sasuke vs. Neji w/ Kyuubi cloak

[BenjerminGaye]

It's still specified as "ocular range" which pertains to the eyes and vision specifically.

He's still capturing it as if it were observed through his eyes unless you had a different interpretation of what "ocular range" is.

youre not getting the point. SASUKE STILL NEEDS TO SEE HIS EYES.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm not sure what the relevance of the bold is if Minato wasn't even aware of the marking's absence which he would've noted if he had activated Hiraishin, so Sasuke did out-maneuver Minato in that department.

That said, I'm confused how Sasuke activating Susano'o prior to Hiraishin wouldn't indicate higher reaction speed when both techniques are shown to be instantaneous, so I'm going to need some clarification here.



Er, wait? If Sasuke detected Juubito before Minato did, then how does Sasuke have inferior reaction speed?

I wasn't referring to foot speed, I was actually referring to strike and evasive speed in general.

Not sure how many times I'm going to have to state this.

-Sasuke sees Naruto in danger.
-Minato sees Naruto in danger.
-Obito attacks w/ the Gudo Dama
-Minato makes a handsign in response
-Sasuke uses Susanoo in response after Minato is shown using the handsign.

That is what happened. Sasuke didn't react faster than Minato could react as Minato is blatantly shown reacting. Sasuke put up Susanoo faster than Hiraishin could activate but as for reaction speed Minato is shown reacting with a hand sign before Susanoo was put up.

Who said Sasuke has inferior reaction speed to KCM Minato based on anything said in this discussion in the first place? Even if I did, how does Sasuke noticing Obito change anything that I've said here?

Evasive speed is reaction speed and regular movement speed, and you can get an idea of their striking speed in relation to each other by seeing them match each other when they saved Sakura, but again, there isn't going to be any real difference. Sasuke would strike faster if he has a sword though.

ok... agree about Chidori how about the chidori sword, Sasuke used to bisect Madara?

Not sure if serious. RG Sasuke w/ Hagoromo's power>>>>>EMS Sasuke.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

chidori sword is weaker than chidori -_-

 

[NarutoX28]

youre not getting the point. SASUKE STILL NEEDS TO SEE HIS EYES.

You're not understanding the point. If the Byakugan's wide range of vision is specified as an expansion of Neji's "ocular range", it means that it's dependent on his eye's ability to collect light from the surrounding environment (this time, his surrounding environment encompasses 360 degrees), "interprets" it, and transmits that signal through the optic nerve. The last part is essential information because Genjutsu is initiated through

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, which obviously, the optic nerve is a cranial nerve, so since Neji's Field of Vision pertains to the eye's ocular prowess, then he will succumb to Sharingan Genjutsu, regardless of whether or not his actual eye makes contact with Sasuke's Sharingan.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Yeah, i know there's a work around. But i was thinking about anytime the byakugan countered genjutsu head on.

Kask ask hinata to see if there in a genjutus and she checked . That prove the byakugan can through genjutus

 

[unknownvillain1254]

You're not understanding the point. If the Byakugan's wide range of vision is specified as an expansion of Neji's "ocular range", it means that it's dependent on his eye's ability to collect light from the surrounding environment (this time, his surrounding environment encompasses 360 degrees), "interprets" it, and transmits that signal through the optic nerve. The last part is essential information because Genjutsu is initiated through

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, which obviously, the optic nerve is a cranial nerve, so since Neji's Field of Vision pertains to the eye's ocular prowess, then he will succumb to Sharingan Genjutsu, regardless of whether or not his actual eye makes contact with Sasuke's Sharingan.

You need to learn what the word direct contact mean befor.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're not understanding the point. If the Byakugan's wide range of vision is specified as an expansion of Neji's "ocular range", it means that it's dependent on his eye's ability to collect light from the surrounding environment (this time, his surrounding environment encompasses 360 degrees), "interprets" it, and transmits that signal through the optic nerve. The last part is essential information because Genjutsu is initiated through

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, which obviously, the optic nerve is a cranial nerve, so since Neji's Field of Vision pertains to the eye's ocular prowess, then he will succumb to Sharingan Genjutsu, regardless of whether or not his actual eye makes contact with Sasuke's Sharingan.

Jman never said it was initiated that way. He said it was controlled that way. 2 different things. So that whole paragraph falls flat. Much like how how nagato isn't affected by sound genjutsu when the paths are.

And again u dont get how snake eyelids work:
Can a snake see through its eyelids?
In order to protect them, evolution has given snakes clear, transparent eyelids called brille. Even when the snake closes its eyes, it can still see through these “glass” eyelids. This type of eyelid is made out of skin and sheds along with the rest of the snake.

And on top of that they STILL take in light:

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So even with eyes closed kabuto could still see through them clearly. Yet itachi still had to pick the lids up to genjutsu him:

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Meaning as I've been saying:
Eye contact has to be established on both sides.

The user has to see the victim's eyes.
And the victim has to see the user's eyes.

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[Blackzoro]

Lmao and you quoted me talking about joke posts.

1. He tracked Obito w/ Naruto and Kurama's chakra which enhances speed as shown when Naruto himself uses it, even then that was only a mental reaction.

2. EMS Sasuke is not at least as fast as KCM Naruto. He's nowhere near as fast as KCM Naruto when it comes to actual foot speed. :lol The only scans of him ever matching KCM Naruto in foot speed are scans where Naruto was clearly not using Shunshin, same goes for Sasuke so I'm not sure how you are coming to the conclusion he's on Naruto's speed tier let alone "at least" as fast as him.

Sasuke literally can't hurt Neji. His Enton and all forms of flame are useless. His Chidori is blocked by Rotation. Hinata's Air Palm is strong enough to repel the Juubi's hand (bijuu sized) into a Mountain. That's far stronger than Hiashi's own. Neji>Hinata. All Sasuke can do is run until he's eventually hit by an air palm, then Neji finishes him off.

Don't talk about my analysis of this Manga when you clearly read it with fanboy goggles on.

LMFAOO Talk about soloeing a fanboy

 

[BLAZE]

Are Hyugas susceptible to Genjutsu? I imagine you still need direct eye contact to initiate it.

they can see if genjutsu is being used or not[hinata against tobi] but doubt they can break it since the highest they have in genjutsu stat is 2.5 hinata in 3rd DB.
neji can simply avoid direct eye contact though

 

[unknownvillain1254]

they can see if genjutsu is being used or not[hinata against tobi] but doubt they can break it since the highest they have in genjutsu stat is 2.5 hinata in 3rd DB.
neji can simply avoid direct eye contact though

Data book mean jack shit when oro can't break itachi genjutus but jman genjutus the rinnegan

Plus the byakugan show you if you're in a genjutus but doesn't break you have to do that manually yourself

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Data book mean jack shit when oro can't break itachi genjutus but jman genjutus the rinnegan

bro Jman uses sound genjutsu which Rinnegan/Sharingan can't see through. Databook proabably references their ability to cast genjutsu not break it.
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[BenjerminGaye]

Data book mean jack shit when oro can't break itachi genjutus but jman genjutus the rinnegan

Plus the byakugan show you if you're in a genjutus but doesn't break you have to do that manually yourself

sound genjutsu. Different medium

 

[BLAZE]

Data book mean jack shit when oro can't break itachi genjutus but jman genjutus the rinnegan

yeah since he uses senjutsu enhanced sound genjutsu

Plus the byakugan show you if you're in a genjutus but doesn't break you have to do that manually yourself

yeah that's why I said DB stats


OT:neji trashes him

 

[Oblivionx]

Neji wins this.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

sound genjutsu. Different medium

But the way you break it is all the same

 

[Warlocks]

could go either way

if u unrestrictions Susanoo then sasuke mid dif Neji w/ Kyuubi cloak

 

[Warlocks]

ok... agree about Chidori how about the chidori sword, Sasuke used to bisect Madara?

madara dont have any cloak and sasuke could bisect Madara cuz he had six path chakra

 

[Contrivance]

Vacuum Palm is too OP for Sauce.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Sasuke just need his lightning sword,and bisect neji like he did to the eight tail

 

[BenjerminGaye]

But the way you break it is all the same

most of the time time yeah, but if it's a continuous medium 9/10 you're stuck