EMS Sasuke vs. Neji w/ Kyuubi cloak

[NextGenNinja]

Are Hyugas susceptible to Genjutsu? I imagine you still need direct eye contact to initiate it.

If Neji gets caught in Genjutsu, Sasuke will have more than ample time to run him through with Chidori. Chidori isn't getting past Rotation but I don't see why it can't pierce Kyuubi Cloak.

Ao saw through KA that was placed on the samurai leader. Does that count?

 

[Booker]

Ao saw through KA that was placed on the samurai leader. Does that count?

I don't think so. All Ao saw was that the eye under the bandage was being used, and the genjutsu wasn't even being used on him.

 

[NextGenNinja]

I don't think so. All Ao saw was that the eye under the bandage was being used, and the genjutsu wasn't even being used on him.

Then i really can't recall a time where a byakugan user countered genjutsu. Except get caught in MT and the last, which was a plot point.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are Hyugas susceptible to Genjutsu? I imagine you still need direct eye contact to initiate it.

If Neji gets caught in Genjutsu, Sasuke will have more than ample time to run him through with Chidori. Chidori isn't getting past Rotation but I don't see why it can't pierce Kyuubi Cloak.

Neji can see all around him no matter where his actual eyes are looking so he can easily avoid eye contact and still have a perfect visual of Sasuke while Sasuke himself won't be able to make eye contact. If Sasuke can get around that then he can land Genjutsu and win.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Enton and Amaterasu are useless due to the cloak, and Chidori probably won't pierce the cloak+Rotation (which would also be enhanced by the cloak's power) So Neji ends up beating him.

couldn't a chidori sword or spear slice through the cloak like how raikiri stream cut through the v2 jins arms and how Chidori sword bisected JJ Madara's body.

 

[KidGamer65]

couldn't a chidori sword or spear slice through the cloak like how raikiri stream cut through the v2 jins arms and how Chidori sword bisected JJ Madara's body.

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Sasuke's attacks never hitting Neji.​

 

[Tantalus Thief]

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Sasuke's attacks never hitting Neji.​

but you admit the attacks will still go through it no?

Could EMS precog possibly do anything to avoid that? Like could he predict Neji about to fire it and say opt for a distraction like a large amaterasu or could he move out of the way with shushin or quick movement.

 

[KidGamer65]

but you admit the attacks will still go through it no?

Could EMS precog possibly do anything to avoid that? Like could he predict Neji about to fire it and say opt for a distraction like a large amaterasu or could he move out of the way with shushin or quick movement.

:lol What? Obviously Chidori isn't going to pierce a Kaiten boosted by Naruto's cloak.


And all he can do is dodge, eventually he gets hit and then it's a wrap. He won't get one shotted.

 

[NarutoX28]

Except for the fact you have no idea when he used Susanoo. For all you know he could've arrived and then activated it, not to mention Susanoo doesn't weigh down the user especially if it's in a stage like Ribcage. No evidence of that ever shown. The fact that Sasuke could've moved before Minato moved invalidates the feat of "he did X before Minato could use Hiraishin".

If he activated Susano'o upon reaching Naruto, that's still a reflection of superior reaction speed which is the main point all along. I'm not even sure how KCM Naruto would even be superior to EMS Sasuke in speed outside of Shunshin in all honesty.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Then i really can't recall a time where a byakugan user countered genjutsu. Except get caught in MT and the last, which was a plot point.

neji can literally cover his eyes with is headband and use byakugan for sight(a la kabuto style) eliminating the possibility of genjutsu all together

 

[KidGamer65]

If he activated Susano'o upon reaching Naruto, that's still a reflection of superior reaction speed which is the main point all along. I'm not even sure how KCM Naruto would even be superior to EMS Sasuke in speed outside of Shunshin in all honesty.

No, it's not, because Minato is blatantly shown reacting first. :lol Like I said, there is no extraordinary feat here, or at least any feat that'd help in this particular discussion.

And yeah, KCM Naruto only surpasses EMS Sasuke in Shunshin speed. Not reaction speed (post Juubito fight) and they are equal in every other form of speed.

 

[NarutoX28]

No, it's not, because Minato is blatantly shown reacting first. :lol Like I said, there is no extraordinary feat here, or at least any feat that'd help in this particular discussion.

And yeah, KCM Naruto only surpasses EMS Sasuke in Shunshin speed. Not reaction speed (post Juubito fight) and they are equal in every other form of speed.

Or because as you said, EMS Sasuke activated it upon reaching him and hadn't even reached Naruto's location when Minato activated Hiraishin. Still, none of this refutes the fact that Sasuke was explicitly shown to manifest Susano'o faster than Hiraishin execution from KCM Minato.

How are they equal in every form of speed?

 

[NarutoX28]

neji can literally cover his eyes with is headband and use byakugan for sight(a la kabuto style) eliminating the possibility of genjutsu all together

Except it's literally described as "ocular range" in contrast to the 50 meters of enhanced perception that he does have which is merely defined as "sensing".

 

[KidGamer65]

Or because as you said, EMS Sasuke activated it upon reaching him and hadn't even reached Naruto's location when Minato activated Hiraishin. Still, none of this refutes the fact that Sasuke was explicitly shown to manifest Susano'o faster than Hiraishin execution from KCM Minato.

How are they equal in every form of speed?

Bold is irrelevant to this discussion, because that's not him outspeeding Minato's actual reaction speed.

-You say Sasuke's feat=Sasuke outspeeding Minato's reactions.
-That is wrong.
-Manga shows Minato reacting before Sasuke.

All you have is "Sasuke was able to activate Susanoo before Minato's Hiraishin could initiate" (then there's the fact that his marking was gone in the first place) not "Sasuke outsped Minato", because Minato actually reacted first from what we can see.

-Sasuke sees Naruto in danger.
-Minato sees Naruto in danger.
-Minato makes a handsign.
-Sasuke uses Susanoo after Minato is shown using the handsign.

There is nothing showing Sasuke reacting faster than Minato could. No scan of that at all.

The only other form of speed is general footspeed and they've shown no major difference from each other in that field based on their fights against Obito together, and their fights against other characters. One may be faster than the other but it's nothing worth mentioning.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Except it's literally described as "ocular range" in contrast to the 50 meters of enhanced perception that he does have which is merely defined as "sensing".

doesn't matter. eye contact is needed on both sides for genjutsu to work. cant see your eyes if they are behind a headband.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

:lol What? Obviously Chidori isn't going to pierce a Kaiten boosted by Naruto's cloak.


And all he can do is dodge, eventually he gets hit and then it's a wrap. He won't get one shotted.

ok... agree about Chidori how about the chidori sword, Sasuke used to bisect Madara?

 

[NextGenNinja]

neji can literally cover his eyes with is headband and use byakugan for sight(a la kabuto style) eliminating the possibility of genjutsu all together

Yeah, i know there's a work around. But i was thinking about anytime the byakugan countered genjutsu head on.

 

[NarutoX28]

Bold is irrelevant to this discussion, because that's not him outspeeding Minato's actual reaction speed.

-You say Sasuke's feat=Sasuke outspeeding Minato's reactions.
-That is wrong.
-Manga shows Minato reacting before Sasuke.

All you have is "Sasuke was able to activate Susanoo before Minato's Hiraishin could initiate" ( then there's the fact that his marking was gone in the first place) not "Sasuke outsped Minato", because Minato actually reacted first from what we can see.

I'm not sure what the relevance of the bold is if Minato wasn't even aware of the marking's absence which he would've noted if he had activated Hiraishin, so Sasuke did out-maneuver Minato in that department.

That said, I'm confused how Sasuke activating Susano'o prior to Hiraishin wouldn't indicate higher reaction speed when both techniques are shown to be instantaneous, so I'm going to need some clarification here.

-Sasuke sees Naruto in danger.
-Minato sees Naruto in danger.
-Minato makes a handsign.
-Sasuke uses Susanoo after Minato is shown using the handsign.

There is nothing showing Sasuke reacting faster than Minato could. No scan of that at all.

The only other form of speed is general footspeed and they've shown no major difference from each other in that field based on their fights against Obito together, and their fights against other characters. One may be faster than the other but it's nothing worth mentioning.

Er, wait? If Sasuke detected Juubito before Minato did, then how does Sasuke have inferior reaction speed?

I wasn't referring to foot speed, I was actually referring to strike and evasive speed in general.

 

[NarutoX28]

doesn't matter. eye contact is needed on both sides for genjutsu to work. cant see your eyes if they are behind a headband.

It's still specified as "ocular range" which pertains to the eyes and vision specifically.

He's still capturing it as if it were observed through his eyes unless you had a different interpretation of what "ocular range" is.

 

[Dizzldot]

It's still specified as "ocular range" which pertains to the eyes and vision specifically.

He's still capturing it as if it were observed through his eyes unless you had a different interpretation of what "ocular range" is.

No, if you don't make direct eye contact they can't activate the jutsu it has only been shown used when they made DIRECT eye contact, just because you can see the other person doesnt mean they can make eye contact you're basically saying kabuto should have been able to be caught in genjutsu but since he can't see through his eyelids that's the reason he wasn't not because they can't make eye contact with some with closed eyes. Its been said may times closing your eyes stops ocular genjutsu no reason to believe otherwise here without a direct scan contradicting that