EMS Sasuke vs BM Naruto
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Just a few more points to throw out there
- Sasuke's PS could be casually matched by Naruto's BM avatar. If scaled down from VOTE 2. Not only that, the logic stands that it could scale to his Susano'O he battled Juubito with. (I'll explain if needed, it's 7 in the morning and I'm battling a hangover)
- There's a stamina argument to be made, though I don't really know where I stand on it. Sasuke has shown some pretty incredible stamina for a non-Jin in the war.
- Sasuke's PS could be casually matched by Naruto's BM avatar. If scaled down from VOTE 2. Not only that, the logic stands that it could scale to his Susano'O he battled Juubito with. (I'll explain if needed, it's 7 in the morning and I'm battling a hangover)
- There's a stamina argument to be made, though I don't really know where I stand on it. Sasuke has shown some pretty incredible stamina for a non-Jin in the war.
•Fought Kabuto with Ribcage and Armored Susano'O for variable amounts of time
•Fought Juubito with Ribcage and Armored for variable amounts of time
•MS Genjutsu
•Normal Genjutsu
•2 normal uses of Amaterasu (iirc)
•1 Magatama Enton variant
•1 normal Susano'O arrow (he has to manifest these arrows with chakra)
•1 normal Enton arrow
•1 buffed Enton arrow (was able to match ratios with Oodama FRS)
•Enton sword
•1 hand held Enton
•360 Enton (the one that countered Muki Tensei)
•1 Katon
•Kuchiyose
•Quite a few uses of Shunshin
And the whole time he was running around with Sharingan on, not giving him time to regain any chakra
*Edit: There's no way he has as much chakra as Madara though. All of the above is focusing on how long he could maintain PS
•Fought Juubito with Ribcage and Armored for variable amounts of time
•MS Genjutsu
•Normal Genjutsu
•2 normal uses of Amaterasu (iirc)
•1 Magatama Enton variant
•1 normal Susano'O arrow (he has to manifest these arrows with chakra)
•1 normal Enton arrow
•1 buffed Enton arrow (was able to match ratios with Oodama FRS)
•Enton sword
•1 hand held Enton
•360 Enton (the one that countered Muki Tensei)
•1 Katon
•Kuchiyose
•Quite a few uses of Shunshin
And the whole time he was running around with Sharingan on, not giving him time to regain any chakra
*Edit: There's no way he has as much chakra as Madara though. All of the above is focusing on how long he could maintain PS
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Traveling huge distances requires movement, traveling these huge distances as fast as he did, requires chakra. In between all of these events, there were very few points where Sasuke was restoring chakra and my point is, he wasn't taking "breaks" as you say.. Your question.
is sasukes chakra controll so poor that even running is too difficult for him, on the other hand he did rest at the uzumaki shrine, konaha and when he was listening to oro explaining about how he isnt interested in the war/ when he was listeing the kages back stories
While I agree he did have some time of rest, the trip to the battlefield was traveled by use of Shunsin for majority. He wouldn't need rest at full capacity, he never showed any signs of exhaustion despite use of v4 and multiple Enton variants, all high chakra taxing techniques.
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Which is why he said shunshin was used for the majority of the way. Hiruzen isn't as fast as Tobirama, and nor is Hashirama as fast as Tobirama; yet they reached at the same time. It's not an indicator of speed at all, but it's still noted that they travelled the whole way with Shunshin.
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Lol....no. Sasuke takes S1, and even if he doesn't, it's nothing less than high diff.
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-BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke both got Hagoromo's power, and their Avatars were shown to be equal in strength, durability, and speed. Overall CQC ability. 2-3 slashes of Sasuke's PS blade took out 1 of Naruto's Tails. Subtract Hagoromo's power and you have EMS Sasuke's PS=BSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar in strength, speed, and durability. Subtract Sage Mode and you have PS>Naruto's Kurama Avatar in speed, strength, and durability.
-Thus when it comes to CQC, PS is superior. Naruto's tails get taken out one by one in 1-2 slashes. Standard Bijuu Dama is tanked with no damage. Continuous Bijuu Dama can be evaded via flight (ALL PS can fly as the Databook has now stated, and Sasuke's Avatar=Sage Kurama Avatar in speed) or they can be tanked by PS wrapping it's wings around the main body.
Sasuke just hacks away at Naruto until his Avatar goes down.
-BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke both got Hagoromo's power, and their Avatars were shown to be equal in strength, durability, and speed. Overall CQC ability. 2-3 slashes of Sasuke's PS blade took out 1 of Naruto's Tails. Subtract Hagoromo's power and you have EMS Sasuke's PS=BSM Naruto's Kurama Avatar in strength, speed, and durability. Subtract Sage Mode and you have PS>Naruto's Kurama Avatar in speed, strength, and durability.
-Thus when it comes to CQC, PS is superior. Naruto's tails get taken out one by one in 1-2 slashes. Standard Bijuu Dama is tanked with no damage. Continuous Bijuu Dama can be evaded via flight (ALL PS can fly as the Databook has now stated, and Sasuke's Avatar=Sage Kurama Avatar in speed) or they can be tanked by PS wrapping it's wings around the main body.
Sasuke just hacks away at Naruto until his Avatar goes down.
KG preaching.
Another thing to note is the Enton Sasuke can use to further his PS's penetrative capabilities. And BM Naruto cannot fly like Sasuke's PS can, so he can stay above Naruto's avatar and use gravity towards his advantage while making Naruto's situation disadvantageous. Sasuke high diffs, maybe even mid-high diff since there's literally no way for him to lose.
Another thing to note is the Enton Sasuke can use to further his PS's penetrative capabilities. And BM Naruto cannot fly like Sasuke's PS can, so he can stay above Naruto's avatar and use gravity towards his advantage while making Naruto's situation disadvantageous. Sasuke high diffs, maybe even mid-high diff since there's literally no way for him to lose.
- Bijuudamas are tanked by PS (a standard BM avatar survived a Juubi laser which is tiers above 9 BDs, and Sasuke's PS is way more durable than it) or disrupted by PS shockwaves thus detonating into the avatar's face
- Renzoku Bijuudama is countered by staying in CQC range with the avatar and thus impeding the usage of BDs in any shape or form
- Super Bijuudama is a suicidal tech since both of the constructs will be enveloped by the blast seeing his massive radius. It would be a good thing, too bad Sasuke's PS is more durable than the avatar so if Naruto wants to bust it he will be vaped too by his own attack. Not that Sasuke can't prevent it by slashing the avatar or the BD.
- CQC is suicide since not only is PS more durable, but faster and stronger (read what KG said) so he can restrain the avatar with his arms also exploiting his size advantage and slash the head of the construct. 1 hit will suffice seeing the tails are the most durable part of BM, atleast in Naruto's case.
Sasuke wins all scenarios mid diff, especially due to the starting distance.
- Renzoku Bijuudama is countered by staying in CQC range with the avatar and thus impeding the usage of BDs in any shape or form
- Super Bijuudama is a suicidal tech since both of the constructs will be enveloped by the blast seeing his massive radius. It would be a good thing, too bad Sasuke's PS is more durable than the avatar so if Naruto wants to bust it he will be vaped too by his own attack. Not that Sasuke can't prevent it by slashing the avatar or the BD.
- CQC is suicide since not only is PS more durable, but faster and stronger (read what KG said) so he can restrain the avatar with his arms also exploiting his size advantage and slash the head of the construct. 1 hit will suffice seeing the tails are the most durable part of BM, atleast in Naruto's case.
Sasuke wins all scenarios mid diff, especially due to the starting distance.