EMS sasuke > KM minato

[Unorthodox]

Utter bullshi t.

Hitting with Amaterasu = keeping your eye on the target.

Raikage avoided the Sharingan's sight with his shunshin. Obito simply blocked it.

Big difference.

Also there is no difference between MS and EMS Sasuke when it comes to -HITTING- with Amaterasu since all he has to do is keep his eyes on the enemy and EMS doesn't give you better precog than MS.

i disagrees

Amaterasu is a visual jutsu so the better your vision the better the jutsu right red eye naruto speed was on even levels with lee no weights yet sasuke been obtained that speed yet wasit able to keep up with naruto untill he used 3 tomoe

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sasuke speed didnt increase he could see better so what im saying is if sasuke has amaterasu with 2 tomoe naruto could dodge it but with 3 tomoe he couldnt reasons why itachi amaterasu was so slow and off

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cause his eye sight was terrible he could barely see yet when he was edo it was almost instant like ms sasuke's

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so sasuke ems amaterasu speed should be instant also Raikage shouldnt be able to dodge it now

 

[pateuvasiliu]

It wasn't instant. His MS was activated already.

 

[Unorthodox]

It wasn't instant. His MS was activated already.

you clearly didnt read wha i wrote smh.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

No proof of that.

Kabuto's speed isn't that great to make it look like the EMS is better.

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Itachi's MS cannot distinguish Kabuto's real body, Sasuke's EMS can. Fair deduction that MS < EMS in observation and therefore precognition.

 

[adeshina365]

Juubito has the best reaction time in the manga as he sensed and dodged amaterasu.
Raikage also dodged amaterasu but there is a lot of difference between MS sasuke using amaterasu and EMS Sasuke using amaterasu, EMS sasuke is better at it.

I have to say, thank you for posting this.

For whatever reason people have taken Juubito being able to sense the Amaterasu coming and block it with his reactions, as all sensors being able to block Amaterasu. It's annoying to say the least.

 

[Champ]

oh really?

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This is true, Slim. Funny how he thought he had me. He should've kept quite like patuvillie

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Sasuke has had his EMS activated for a while now.

What's the point that scan is trying to give?

 

[Champ]

Sasuke has had his Sharingan activated for a while now.

What's the point that scan is trying to give?

This is true

 

[Bogard]

Short analysis

Sasuke's attacks are too slow to hit Minato, especially since the guy is sensor, he should be capable to notice when Sasuke would be focusing chakra in his eye, not even mentioning his insane reflexive speed allowing him to dodge Raikage's lightning speed an instant away close from his nose.

The Goshun Mawashi of the FTG technique also allows the user to change Obito's place

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as well, so by using the swapping technique, it would be easy for Minato to leave Sasuke open, doing that and at the same time leaving a marked kunai around the area, especially since it takes some time to deactivate and activate Susanoo

But if Sasuke decides to cover himself with enton in order to avoid a close range attack for some reasons, it would be a chakra waste or waste of time. Minato would only have to act carefully from there on in close range battle, but we've even seen lately that

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. Now there are certain people who argue about the fact that the flames themselves aren't shown to be touch him or something like this, but i'd like to ask you then. Did Minato know that the flames wouldn't be touching him when he started his attack?

Greatly doubtful. He was counting on swapping the technique from the start. The attention of details here is meaningless. Whether Amaterasu flames touched him or not on the image(and personally i find it far-fetched to think it didn't), it was certainly part of Minato's plan to be touched by the attack, and it's not as if he was predicting that somehow, the flames wouldn't touch him. So FTG has been proven to be a good counter for Enton black flames imho

Furthermore, the use of clone however, he could engage close range and use the swapping technique without taking the risk, or he could simply use a chakra charged kunai in order to connect with the chakra based Susanoo from mid-long range without taking a risk and thus teleporting it to another location since we now know that he can also teleport things connected to his chakra

Unless he loses his cool, i simply don't see how Minato loses this

 

[Champ]

Short analysis

Sasuke's attacks are too slow to hit Minato, especially since the guy is sensor, he should be capable to notice when Sasuke would be focusing chakra in his eye, not even mentioning his insane reflexive speed allowing him to dodge Raikage's lightning speed an instant away close from his nose.

The Goshun Mawashi of the FTG technique also allows the user to change Obito's place

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. We've already seen that Susanoo is also

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as well, so by using the swapping technique, it would be easy for Minato to leave Sasuke open, doing that and at the same time leaving a marked kunai around the area, especially since it takes some time to deactivate and activate Susanoo

But if Sasuke decides to cover himself with enton in order to avoid a close range attack for some reasons, it would be a chakra waste or waste of time. Minato would only have to act carefully from there on in close range battle, but we've even seen lately that

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. Now there are certain people who argue about the fact that the flames themselves aren't shown to be touch him or something like this, but i'd like to ask you then. Did Minato know that the flames wouldn't be touching him when he started his attack?

Greatly doubtful. He was counting on swapping the technique from the start. The attention of details here is meaningless. Whether Amaterasu flames touched him or not on the image(and personally i find it far-fetched to think it didn't), it was certainly part of Minato's plan to be touched by the attack, and it's not as if he was predicting that somehow, the flames wouldn't touch him. So FTG has been proven to be a good counter for Enton black flames imho

Furthermore, the use of clone however, he could engage close range and use the swapping technique without taking the risk, or he could simply use a chakra charged kunai in order to connect with the chakra based Susanoo from mid-long range without taking a risk and thus teleporting it to another location since we now know that he can also teleport things connected to his chakra

Unless he loses his cool, i simply don't see how Minato loses this

Minato isn't a sensor he has to place his hand on the ground to track someone. Too slow? Sharingan can track Minato foot speed without a problem. Thought Tobirama was the one who initiated the Goshun mawshii, since she marked Minato and was holdin Obito then he switched him. I haven't seen Minato do that. Sasuke seen Ftg with firsthand experience, Enton would prevent Rasengan and Minato from touchin him.

Now I'm going to answer yo quote "Did Minato know that the flames wouldn't be touching him when he started his attack?" That answer is simple, he's Edo tensei him and Sasuke already talked about that, if damaged he'll simply recover. The attack did touch him the other side of Naruto's Rasen shuriken not the flames. Now answer me this Boggie, why was Tobirama & Minato shocked when Sasuke used Amaterasu on Obito? Manga leads me to believe neither sense it coming and was surprised.

 

[Bogard]

Minato isn't a sensor he has to place his hand on the ground to track someone. Too slow? Sharingan can track Minato foot speed without a problem. Thought Tobirama was the one who initiated the Goshun mawshii, since she marked Minato and was holdin Obito then he switched him. I haven't seen Minato do that. Sasuke seen Ftg with firsthand experience, Enton would prevent Rasengan and Minato from touchin him.

Now I'm going to answer yo quote "Did Minato know that the flames wouldn't be touching him when he started his attack?" That answer is simple, he's Edo tensei him and Sasuke already talked about that, if damaged he'll simply recover. The attack did touch him the other side of Naruto's Rasen shuriken not the flames. Now answer me this Boggie, why was Tobirama & Minato shocked when Sasuke used Amaterasu on Obito? Manga leads me to believe neither sense it coming and was surprised.

He is as much as sensor as Tobirama is.

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And no, the Goshu Mawashi is used by both. On this panel, we see them

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(bottom panel). The Goshu Mawashi is a FTG version that you use in tandem with another FTG user. When one FTG user teleports to the other(initially marked), the other teleports to the first at the same time. The timing here is important:

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Reason why both Tobirama and Minato said "now" middle panel, a way to say "time to swap". If you still didn't understand, narutopedia explains it further. Here is the link:

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2 FTG users are needed for the attack. In this case, Minato would do it with his clone

Edo doesn't help to get rid from Enton. I thought you saw it with Nagato? He used Shinra tensei to push it away after some point

Concerning your question, it's simple. They are on the same side atm, not enemies. Atm they are focusing on Obito who is the enemy. It's not as if they would always be paying attention to everything their allies do when there is nothing to fear about them(more like the contrary) and there is a much more dangerous threat before them

 

[Champ]

He is as much as sensor as Tobirama is.

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And no, the Goshu Mawashi is used by both. On this panel, we see them

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(bottom panel). The Goshu Mawashi is a FTG version that you use in tandem with another FTG user. When one FTG user teleports to the other(initially marked), the other teleports to the first at the same time. The timing here is important:

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Reason why both Tobirama and Minato said "now" middle panel, a way to say "time to swap". If you still didn't understand, narutopedia explains it further. Here is the link:

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2 FTG users are needed for the attack. In this case, Minato would do it with his clone

Edo doesn't help to get rid from Enton. I thought you saw it with Nagato? He used Shinra tensei to push it away after some point

Concerning your question, it's simple. They are on the same side atm, not enemies. Atm they are focusing on Obito who is the enemy. It's not as if they would always be paying attention to everything their allies do when there is nothing to fear about them(more like the contrary) and there is a much more dangerous threat before them

That's the scan I was talking about Minato touches the ground and tracks his opponent, seem like everything Tobirama can do you're giving it to Minato as a feat. Sure let's say Minato can do it, Enton burns his hand off then what? He has nothing strong to get thru Susano'o. If a Edo body is destroyed they regenerate, even if Minato was harmed by the Enton-Rasen Shuriken he would recover, but the greater good is that Obito take some of the Damage. Last chapter proved yo theory wrong, Tobirama must have sense Naruto changing into Sage mode since he immediately looked at him(noticed Minato didn't . Yet when Sasuke used Amaterasu instantly both parties was surprised. Though I don't like to use wikipedia, I'm not a comic book reader. But they say exclamation marks(!!) basically means shocked, surprised. how could you go against that? That let's me know a sensor was surprised Amaterasu was being launched, surprised in NU means caught off guard. Now that Sasuke eye doesn't bleed I see no hope for Minato.

 

[Bogard]

That's the scan I was talking about Minato touches the ground and tracks his opponent, seem like everything Tobirama can do you're giving it to Minato as a feat. Sure let's say Minato can do it, Enton burns his hand off then what? He has nothing strong to get thru Susano'o. If a Edo body is destroyed they regenerate, even if Minato was harmed by the Enton-Rasen Shuriken he would recover, but the greater good is that Obito take some of the Damage. Last chapter proved yo theory wrong, Tobirama must have sense Naruto changing into Sage mode since he immediately looked at him(noticed Minato didn't . Yet when Sasuke used Amaterasu instantly both parties was surprised. Though I don't like to use wikipedia, I'm not a comic book reader. But they say exclamation marks(!!) basically means shocked, surprised. how could you go against that? That let's me know a sensor was surprised Amaterasu was being launched, surprised in NU means caught off guard. Now that Sasuke eye doesn't bleed I see no hope for Minato.

I don't understand. I've shown multiple scans, not just one.
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I'm not giving a Tobirama feat to Minato, i'm showing to you what manga shows. They are both sensors

Like i've said, there is still a chakra focused. A sensor would know when Sasuke would be preparing Amaterasu. Furthermore, i also showed my explanation why even if a FTG user gets touched by Amaterasu, it won't mean much since they have shown the capacity to FTG out of it

Concerning Tobirama noticing Naruto in SM, it has nothing to do with sensing chakra. It's just that by some pure luck, he was watching his back and noticed the markings on his face. By noticing the markings, it's easy to understand he went SM when you have a brother capable to do the same

 

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I don't understand. I've shown multiple scans, not just one.
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I'm not giving a Tobirama feat to Minato, i'm showing to you what manga shows. They are both sensors

Like i've said, there is still a chakra focused. A sensor would know when Sasuke would be preparing Amaterasu. Furthermore, i also showed my explanation why even if a FTG user gets touched by Amaterasu, it won't mean much since they have shown the capacity to FTG out of it

Concerning Tobirama noticing Naruto in SM, it has nothing to do with sensing chakra. It's just that by some pure luck, he was watching his back and noticed the markings on his face. By noticing the markings, it's easy to understand he went SM when you have a brother capable to do the same

I haven't seen Minato do any sensing like SM Naruto, Karin, why hasn't Kishi showed us this if he's a sensor? Tobirama.was able to sense Orochimaru body was covered In Hashirama cells, why did Minato say this? Everyone could sense Naruto's Kyuubi chakra at that time

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. So I guess Sasuke a sensor too? A chakra focus that only the fastest man in NU, Obito picked up on. It was still launched instantly. Amaterasu would disintegrate Minato if it lands on him. First you say they would be focusing on the enemy and not their allies, now you're sayin it's pure luck. Naw Tobirama sensed a change in Naruto, why is that hard to believe. But I knew this debate was goin nowhere, when both our fav characters was put up against each other. We agree to disagree, I still say Sasuke wins.

 

[Bogard]

I haven't seen Minato do any sensing like SM Naruto, Karin, why hasn't Kishi showed us this if he's a sensor? Tobirama.was able to sense Orochimaru body was covered In Hashirama cells, why did Minato say this? Everyone could sense Naruto's Kyuubi chakra at that time

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. So I guess Sasuke a sensor too? A chakra focus that only the fastest man in NU, Obito picked up on. It was still launched instantly. Amaterasu would disintegrate Minato if it lands on him. First you say they would be focusing on the enemy and not their allies, now you're sayin it's pure luck. Naw Tobirama sensed a change in Naruto, why is that hard to believe. But I knew this debate was goin nowhere, when both our fav characters was put up against each other. We agree to disagree, I still say Sasuke wins.

You don't get it. It's exactly because they are allies that they don't need to focus on them. I'm saying that Tobirama didn't sense Naruto's SM chakra from the start. It's just that it happens that by pure luck he was watching his back and directly recognised SM due to markings. Notice that at the moment, Minato turned his back, he noticed as well:

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"Naruto, you?"

Concerning the sensing things, you're misunderstanding something. Sasuke and co were forced to sense the chakra. They weren't sensing it by themselves. It's the pressure of Kyubi's chakra that was resonating within their bodies, allowing them to sense it, exactly like Kakashi and Zabuza during their fight in part1 or during Kyubi's attack where Itachi, Kakashi, Hiruzen and co were feeling something weird

Here is a different case where Tobirama and Minato willingly kneeded chakra in order to feel the chakra. Notice that they only started feeling chakra after Orochimaru's speech, which means that before that they were feeling nothing. Sensor need to kneed chakra in order to sense things, what Minato and Tobirama wanted to do after hearing there was a war, and actually did

If you even pay attention, you'll notice that they are the only one who felt something that happened villages away from konoha(kumo is far from Konoha). Hiruzen for example was relaying on Tobirama's information, in order to take the decision to go on the battlefield. At that distance far away and underground surrounded by walls, it's more than obvious for me that sensing abilities were required there especially in that situation

I don't think it's for nothing as well that only Tobirama and Minato were involved when they have shown similar sensing feats before. Minato not even only noticed the chakra, but he knew the location(2km away from them) and noticed Naruto and Kyubi were fighting together

Also for the matter, i'd also like to add the fact that Minato also sensed the chakra of the masked guy without even knowing his real identity(Obito), only noticing it after seeing his face. He knew the guy above Juubi was the masked guy just by noticing his chakra. Tobirama didn't. Does it mean Minato is a better sensor?

But well like you said, maybe i'd just have to agree to disagree =D

 

[Champ]

You don't get it. It's exactly because they are allies that they don't need to focus on them. I'm saying that Tobirama didn't sense Naruto's SM chakra from the start. It's just that it happens that by pure luck he was watching his back and directly recognised SM due to markings. Notice that at the moment, Minato turned his back, he noticed as well:

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"Naruto, you?"

Concerning the sensing things, you're misunderstanding something. Sasuke and co were forced to sense the chakra. They weren't sensing it by themselves. It's the pressure of Kyubi's chakra that was resonating within their bodies, allowing them to sense it, exactly like Kakashi and Zabuza during their fight in part1 or during Kyubi's attack where Itachi, Kakashi, Hiruzen and co were feeling something weird

Here is a different case where Tobirama and Minato willingly kneeded chakra in order to feel the chakra. Notice that they only started feeling chakra after Orochimaru's speech, which means that before that they were feeling nothing. Sensor need to kneed chakra in order to sense things, what Minato and Tobirama wanted to do after hearing there was a war, and actually did

If you even pay attention, you'll notice that they are the only one who felt something that happened villages away from konoha(kumo is far from Konoha). Hiruzen for example was relaying on Tobirama's information, in order to take the decision to go on the battlefield. At that distance far away and underground surrounded by walls, it's more than obvious for me that sensing abilities were required there especially in that situation

I don't think it's for nothing as well that only Tobirama and Minato were involved when they have shown similar sensing feats before. Minato not even only noticed the chakra, but he knew the location(2km away from them) and noticed Naruto and Kyubi were fighting together

Also for the matter, i'd also like to add the fact that Minato also sensed the chakra of the masked guy without even knowing his real identity(Obito), only noticing it after seeing his face. He knew the guy above Juubi was the masked guy just by noticing his chakra. Tobirama didn't. Does it mean Minato is a better sensor?

But well like you said, maybe i'd just have to agree to disagree =D

It's funny you post that next page showing everyone seeing Naruto, but Tobirama was first. Tobirama said out loud he can feel a strong chakra then Minato said in his thoughts it's Naruto's chakra. Same with Orochimaru & Co. cept Sasuke was too proud to admit he could feel Naruto's Kyuubi chakra. It's true in some instances you need to concentrate to feel a persons chakra, but not in this case the Kyuubi's chakra was overwhelming so they'd eventually sense it. Maybe if we never see Sasuke and Co. feel Naruto's chakra I would agree. Tobirama was the one to say it was in 2' o clock direction not Minato. I don't wanna mention when Itachi was holding Sasuke at the age of 5 even he felt the Kyuubi, uh oh another sensor? That was a nice fact you added Boggie. But if you read the teen Obito vs Minato fight you'll see Minato hit the ground, and when his hand is touchin the ground what can he do? Tobirama never seen Obito or knew himbefore this, so nope