EMS sasuke > KM minato

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i have reason to belive that sasuke can see through clones bescause of his ems as madara was the only one to be able to see through hashirama clones and he knew when Naruto was using a kage bushin while obito or kakashi didnt notice that leads me to belive that ems can see through clones his occular powers witch no one else has was ems at the time sasuke has ems
Minato clones would'nt confuse sasuke at all he rememberd what minato said about charka connection can lead to him teleporting things . Sasuke knows this Susanoo with entons flames around its stops all physical contact to his susanoo.

Minato's Rasengan isnt even questionable cannot get through anyform of susanoo i reason to belive Minato dodging amaterasu is harder than it may seem even tho minato has seen amaterasu once he doesnt really know how its works Minato is a sensor but the requires him to touch the floor obito countering amaterasu because he knows how the jutsu works in and out and his staff really shits all over any ninjutsu. Anyway it seems people are confused between speed and reaction time. but ill give you a good example. Usain bolts as we know is the fastest man on earth. But if you go back to majority if not all his race's you see that he is hardly the first person to react to the gun.

That is the difference between speed and reaction time. Ive noticed that Tyson gay and Powell react faster to the gun than bolt, but bolt is faster than them. If this doesnt make it clear the difference between reaction time and speed then i dont know what does he used ftg I believe to dodge Raikages fastest punch. The way ftg and V2 lightning works is completely different. If Minato knows Amaterasu is coming I have no doubt in my mind he can dodge. If he's not looking into Sasukes eyes which he probably won't. He won't know it's coming and he dies because we seen how obito tbb thingy followed him through ftg same thing applies with plus it will be stuck to his body all his seals or kunai is tooken out with Amaterasu Magatama.

If sasuke knows the real minato he would try to focus a genjutsu on him because thats is the only that can mostlikely catch him since his ftg would be incapable of dodging most of his attacks bar Amaterasu under these conditions also sasuke could make a genjutsu crow clone

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dazno was not already cought at the momment obito said sasuke wanted to make sure he can be put under a genjutsu even if it was only a second minato is mostlikely to be looking at sasuke if he's try to predict when to dodge or react when amaterasu is coming also minato S/t barrier is useless to Susanoo arrow as it requires hand sighs witch has already been proven susanoo arrow speed is above hand sighn speed as needed izanagi repetely this happens to minato clones who trys to S/t barrier susanoo arrows sasuke turning the battlefield into enton should be easy since itachi with just amaterasu half dead did with no problem
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also we seen how big sasuke amaterasu alone can get enton arrow is hugh by itself sasuke did this with minuture enton not only can he limit his movement he can limit his line of attacks due to enton everywhere note this is not nothing chakra wasting sasuke has been spamming his tecs likes this since he came from the cave lets say minato manages to teleport susanoo sasuke could easily use ribcage because minato cannot teleport that off him and none of his offensive attacks can get through it bar Foodcart but that just a scenario witch is mostlikely not to happens since his enton stops all of minato techs.[/SPOILER] Minato may be able to dodge sasuke's Kirin but he cannot evoid its range without any outside prep witch he doesnt have in this match up just to show kirin's range not only did it destroys itachi's V2 susanoo its destroyed the hole hideout all together dust minato isnt excaping the range with no info Aoda is also a key factor because sasuke will be able to use his summonings while minato cannot contract seal would'nt work anyways due to him not being able to touch sasuke and Aoda listen to sasuke anyways i have reason to belive sasuke wouldn't let Aoda be burnt by the flames as he was able to hold the flames himself

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he should be able to protect Aoda with these flames if nessacarry to attack and defend with them but it could also be a downside knowing with one touch aoda could be ported but sasuke could alsways sommmon him back basically these are the reasons why sasuke is above him IMO.
 

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i have reason to belive that sasuke can see through clones bescause of his ems as madara was the only one to be able to see through hashirama clones

Sasuke is not Madara. Don't give him feats.

Minato clones would'nt confuse sasuke at all he rememberd what minato said about charka connection can lead to him teleporting things

who cares what he knows? Doesn't stop the fact that he can't react to Minato's speed, as seen when Minato blitzed both Sasuke and KCM Naruto.



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Minato's Rasengan isnt even questionable cannot get through anyform of susanoo

He can warp it away or can use Gamabunta to pin it down. When Susanoo is away Rasengan kills Sasuke.

i reason to belive Minato dodging amaterasu is harder than it may seem even tho minato has seen amaterasu once he doesnt really know how its works Minato is a sensor but the requires him to touch the floor obito countering amaterasu because he knows how the jutsu works in and out and his staff really shits all over any ninjutsu.

The english killed me, but no. Minato can dodge Amaterasu with either base speed or FTG. He also has clones.

Usain bolts as we know is the fastest man on earth. But if you go back to majority if not all his race's you see that he is hardly the first person to react to the gun.

That is the difference between speed and reaction time.

That's a good point.

Speed =/= Reaction time.

HOWEVER, Minato has the BEST reaction time in the whole manga -BY FAR-.

So while you did prove that speed=/=reaction time, it didn't help your argument.

all his seals or kunai is tooken out with Amaterasu Magatama.

And Minato can simply make clones who have more kunais.

Minato's chakra is hilariously superior to Sasuke's and using a KB is nowhere near as taxing as Amaterasu.

If sasuke knows the real minato

he doesn't.

try to focus a genjutsu on him because thats is the only that can mostlikely catch him since his ftg would be incapable of dodging most of his attacks bar Amaterasu under these conditions also sasuke could make a genjutsu crow clone

Won't happen. Madara needed to catch Ay for genjutsu and Minato is faster than Ay.

sasuke turning the battlefield into enton should be easy since itachi with just amaterasu half dead did with no problem

Location: Open rocky area

What will he burn? Dust, rocks? Itachi burned a forest. He had fuel.

Minato may be able to dodge sasuke's Kirin

Doesn't need to. He simply stays close to Sasuke and if Sasuke uses Kirin Minato uses FTG to take Susanoo away and Sasuke dies.

Aoda is also a key factor because sasuke will be able to use his summonings while minato cannot contract seal would'nt work anyways due to him not being able to touch sasuke and Aoda listen to sasuke anyways

Minato has Ma, Pa and 4 boss toads.

Sasuke is outmanned and outgunned.

Bottom line, Minato wins mid diff.
 

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You should keep all pictures in spoilers and wrap the numbers that contain links with "[]" or "()". Also you should divide it up into sections all with their own points.

Just some suggestions to make it look nicer and flow.
 

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Sorry but 3 tomoe Sasuke stomps on KCM Minato.

Sasuke obliterates KCM Minato low-mid difficulty.
 

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Sasuke is not Madara. Don't give him feats.



who cares what he knows? Doesn't stop the fact that he can't react to Minato's speed, as seen when Minato blitzed both Sasuke and KCM Naruto.



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He can warp it away or can use Gamabunta to pin it down. When Susanoo is away Rasengan kills Sasuke.



The english killed me, but no. Minato can dodge Amaterasu with either base speed or FTG. He also has clones.



That's a good point.

Speed =/= Reaction time.

HOWEVER, Minato has the BEST reaction time in the whole manga -BY FAR-.

So while you did prove that speed=/=reaction time, it didn't help your argument.



And Minato can simply make clones who have more kunais.

Minato's chakra is hilariously superior to Sasuke's and using a KB is nowhere near as taxing as Amaterasu.



he doesn't.



Won't happen. Madara needed to catch Ay for genjutsu and Minato is faster than Ay.





What will he burn? Dust, rocks? Itachi burned a forest. He had fuel.



Doesn't need to. He simply stays close to Sasuke and if Sasuke uses Kirin Minato uses FTG to take Susanoo away and Sasuke dies.



Minato has Ma, Pa and 4 boss toads.

Sasuke is outmanned and outgunned.

Bottom line, Minato wins mid diff.

minato does not have the best reaction time also minato didnt outrun anyone sasuke & naruto had to stay close while maintaining the same speed so they can attack synchronize minato simply jumped infront of them does sasuke jumping infront of km naruto to block him from obito's black orb tech mean sasuke faster than km naruto also sasuke would'nt let him get a chance to summon any toads and if he do amaterasu or genjutsu quick K.o

minato isnt teleporting anything enton stops all contact by anymeans by your rock comparison

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rock or not enton still will spread like a wild fire
 

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minato does not have the best reaction time also minato didnt outrun anyone sasuke & naruto had to stay close while maintaining the same speed so they can attack synchronize minato simply jumped infront of them does sasuke jumping infront of km naruto to block him from obito's black orb tech mean sasuke faster than km naruto also sasuke would'nt let him get a chance to summon any toads and if he do amaterasu or genjutsu quick K.o

minato isnt teleporting anything enton stops all contact by anymeans by your rock comparison

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rock or not enton still will spread like a wild fire

I agree that EMS Sasuke > KM Minato
but the bold is garbage he clearly has the best reaction time in the battlefield at this point.
 

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I agree that EMS Sasuke > KM Minato
but the bold is garbage he clearly has the best reaction time in the battlefield at this point.

based on what feats he didnt even notice obito had the black orb on his arm untill obito said so
 

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based on what feats he didnt even notice obito had the black orb on his arm untill obito said so

based on the feat that he reacted on Juubito speedblitz without getting blown apart like Tobirama.
 

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based on the feat that he reacted on Juubito speedblitz without getting blown apart like Tobirama.
considering he got his arm torn off im not impressed
 

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You don't have to be impressed.

Minato beats Sasuke mid diff in KCM.
 

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You don't have to be impressed.

Minato beats Sasuke mid diff in KCM.

once again i shitted on your arguments asually best reaction time my ass duude got his arm cut off then didnt even notice a black orb the size of his arm
 

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I see no difference between KM Minato and base Minato atm. Changes nothing anyway since Minato regardless of his form is stronger than Sasuke
 

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Not bad unorthodox, didn't see you makin this type of thread. Sasuke would own Minato, but if you're makin him edo than he would lose since he doesn't have any seals and that's the only way Minato would have Chakra mode. Sharingan would have no problem trackin Minato base speed, he would have to relie on Ftg. Sasuke has knowlegde of this first hand, so Enton would be surroundin Susano'o like against A. Minato has nothin that will hurt Sasuke then. With the Eternal Sasuke suffers from no fatigue using Susano'o or Amaterasu, Minato would have to ftg the whole fight trying not to get hit. But by then the battlefield would be engulfed in flames, leavin Minato no room to get close to Sasuke. Though if Minato looks at Sasuke eyes he'd be dropped in a genjutsu, gg. If he don't he's killed by Amaterasu, gg. Either way Sasuke stomps him. Btw nice header Unorthodox.
 

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minato takes this, mid diff.
(base or kcm)
 

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Base MInato with FTG > EMS sasuke
 

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I agree, EMS Sasuke >/= KCM Naruto, but BM Naruto defeats him with med diff at best.
 

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Some pretty moot points, the one that strikes me the most is your first: Wood Bushin is fundamentally different than Kage Bushin, where Kage Bushin divides chakra equally between the clones and the user, Wood Bushin does not. The fundamentals of Kage Bushin make it impossible to spot out the original unless the user makes themselves known.

That's all I'm in position to counter at the moment, I'm sure others have countered the rest.
Frankly, if KM Minato is capable of Bijuu Dama, any indication of Minato losing is dashed away.
 

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Some pretty moot points, the one that strikes me the most is your first: Wood Bushin is fundamentally different than Kage Bushin, where Kage Bushin divides chakra equally between the clones and the user, Wood Bushin does not. The fundamentals of Kage Bushin make it impossible to spot out the original unless the user makes themselves known.

That's all I'm in position to counter at the moment, I'm sure others have countered the rest.
Frankly, if KM Minato is capable of Bijuu Dama, any indication of Minato losing is dashed away.

He doesn't need it.
 
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