EMS > Rinnegan

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Rinnegan is clearly superior to EMS- generally speaking. However- under certain circumstances EMS is stronger.

Rinnegan has clear cut powers, all elements + the power of all the paths, + allows summing of Gedou Mazou.
EMS doesnot have clear powers- sharingan are all different.

Imagine if obito had a brother- I would prefer a Kamui based EMS than a rinnegan.
Or of Shisui had a brother--

Depending on the specific MS abilities, you get a EMS with varying power

However, I disagree with you conclusion.

Madaras EMS isnot > than the rinnegan.

Rinnegan gives user all elements ( plausibly omnyouton)
Chakra absorption
Soul Sucking
Reviving the dead
Gedou Mazou
Gravity manipulation.

Sure PS has more raw power- however That doesn't make it better--- hax>raw power

It's obvious that rinnegan > PS

Sage of six paths > Indra

There are very few situations in which PS is more useful than chakra absorption or soul manipulation or having the ability to revive the dead.

If madaras EMS was superior- he would be using that instead of rinnegan

 

[slimreaper]

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the suggested counters were shinra tensei( would already be over before nagato made one that big), flight,nagato's dog summon and the gedo statue. The dog and flight are laughable. the dog would be sento into the next country and wouldn't even stop the attack. Flight is also futile because madara is taking the tops of of mountains. Nagato hasn't demonstrated the ability to fly high and far enough away. the gedo statue is fragile as akatsuki stated early in part 2.

 

[genii96]

still no counter to PS shockwave? not surprising

already shat on.

the suggested counters were shinra tensei( would already be over before nagato made one that big), flight,nagato's dog summon and the gedo statue. The dog and flight are laughable. the dog would be sento into the next country and wouldn't even stop the attack. Flight is also futile because madara is taking the tops of of mountains. Nagato hasn't demonstrated the ability to fly high and far enough away. the gedo statue is fragile as akatsuki stated early in part 2.

nagato's st is instant. Shockwaves travel through the ground,flight negates it. Dog divides on being hit,shockwave is worthless. Gedo mazo being fragile is laughable at best.It took a combined tbb from gyuki and kurama and still managed to transform.

 

[VongolaX]

Seeing a lot of Preta being able to absorb Susanoo.

During the fight with the kages, Madara stated that Susanoo was preventing absorption.

Preta clearly can't absorb Susanoo.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Seeing a lot of Preta being able to absorb Susanoo.

During the fight with the kages, Madara stated that Susanoo was preventing absorption.

Preta clearly can't absorb Susanoo.

scan?

And if you mean madara said his susano'o stopped him from using his preta, then your logic makes no sense. What does being incapable of using 2 jutsu at a time have to do with preta absorbing susano'o

 

[maniaoqan]

Seeing a lot of Preta being able to absorb Susanoo.

During the fight with the kages, Madara stated that Susanoo was preventing absorption.

Preta clearly can't absorb Susanoo.

What he said was releasing susano'o kept him from absorbing Ohnoki's jutsu not Susano'o.

 

[VongolaX]

What he said was releasing susano'o kept him from absorbing Ohnoki's jutsu not Susano'o.

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Susanoo prevents any justu of absorption

 

[Strict]

Well, Nagato still can't match the power of the perfect Susanoo.. Look how Gai demolishes RIKUDO Madara with Taijutsu and ask yourself how long Nagato will stand against an entity of titanic proportions which slices mountain ranges with one blow. Gakido absorbs Chakra, the perfect Susanoo destroys a distant mountain range with a shock wave of air pressure. Nagato can't match the power of the perfect Susanoo.

 

[Conspirator.]

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Susanoo prevents any justu of absorption

That's a good point-it's probably why susanoo protected the kyuubi from hashirama's wood techniques(that absorb and supress the kyuubi's chakra.)

 

[VongolaX]

That's a good point-it's probably why susanoo protected the kyuubi from hashirama's wood techniques(that absorb and supress the kyuubi's chakra.)

That's exactly why Hashirama said Madara was resourceful.

Once the Susanoo armor broke, he immediately released the kyuubi.

Wood dragon was able to absorb kyuubi's chakra, but not Susanoo.

I though people realize this by now, but no one here likes to read.

 

[genii96]

Well, Nagato still can't match the power of the perfect Susanoo.. Look how Gai demolishes RIKUDO Madara with Taijutsu and ask yourself how long Nagato will stand against an entity of titanic proportions which slices mountain ranges with one blow. Gakido absorbs Chakra, the perfect Susanoo destroys a distant mountain range with a shock wave of air pressure. Nagato can't match the power of the perfect Susanoo.

pain created konoha crater,pain created chibaku tensei crater. Madara and hashirama both using their full power fighting eachother created vote. Nagato is leagues ahead of pain,dont compare nagato0and madara in terms of raw power. Oh and the shockwave only cut the mountain tops off,nothing more,and cut the rock formations in half.The mountains were still standing.Oh and the gokage were hit by that shockwave too. None of them died.The counters to the slash have been statee already. Nagato's ct eats whole mountains,maddy got no chance.

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Susanoo prevents any justu of absorption

Madara saying he couldnt use both susanoo and preta simultaneously somehow brought ynu to this conclution? Lol.

 

[Strict]

Pain created a Konoha crater, what shortened his life span and restricted Tendo (what includes ST, BT and CT) for several minutes, Chibaku Tensei also greatly weakened him. Madara feels no drawbacks from Susanoo's usage, has full protection and can spamm attacks with each slicing a mountain range. The perfect Susanoo easily busts Chibaku Tensei, as it will attack the sphere at the moment of it being as huge as a single mountain at most. Gakido absorbed a fraction of Hachibi's Chakra which was compressed into a human sized cloak, that's in no world comparable with a entity of such titanic proportions. Susanoo wouldn't just vanish if Nagato comes in contact with it, he would start to slowly consume its several stages. And that's the next point with contact.. Nagato is an ant compared to the perfect Susanoo, Susanoo needs only to swing its sword once to create massive destruction, while Nagato would create the same amount of destruction with far more costs.

Cutting through the tops of the mountains is the same result in the end, it's just the angle in which the shock wave arrives at the mountains, and if the shock wave can travel through a whole mountain range, it will easily cut through the same material which merely possesses a wider diameter.

It was shown how the Gokage got beaten off panel, their further fight holds no information. You must be kind of mad if you think a human would survive the impact of this shock wave, which of course merely blew them away with the first strike, as the mountains afar were Madara's intended destination.

 

[Hokage Jay]

Only EMS user that beats him is Madara...no one else atm

Because Madara is Madara no one beats him

 

[HadouKage]

Pain created a Konoha crater, what shortened his life span and restricted Tendo (what includes ST, BT and CT) for several minutes, Chibaku Tensei also greatly weakened him. Madara feels no drawbacks from Susanoo's usage, has full protection and can spamm attacks with each slicing a mountain range. The perfect Susanoo easily busts Chibaku Tensei, as it will attack the sphere at the moment of it being as huge as a single mountain at most. Gakido absorbed a fraction of Hachibi's Chakra which was compressed into a human sized cloak, that's in no world comparable with a entity of such titanic proportions. Susanoo wouldn't just vanish if Nagato comes in contact with it, he would start to slowly consume its several stages. And that's the next point with contact.. Nagato is an ant compared to the perfect Susanoo, Susanoo needs only to swing its sword once to create massive destruction, while Nagato would create the same amount of destruction with far more costs.

Cutting through the tops of the mountains is the same result in the end, it's just the angle in which the shock wave arrives at the mountains, and if the shock wave can travel through a whole mountain range, it will easily cut through the same material which merely possesses a wider diameter.

It was shown how the Gokage got beaten off panel, their further fight holds no information. You must be kind of mad if you think a human would survive the impact of this shock wave, which of course merely blew them away with the first strike, as the mountains afar were Madara's intended destination.

What does that have to do with the thread?


Rinnegan created the moon, EMS didn't

Rinnegan > EMS

 

[OmegaRed721]

Rinnegan Madara > EMS Madara

 

[VongolaX]

pain created konoha crater,pain created chibaku tensei crater. Madara and hashirama both using their full power fighting eachother created vote. Nagato is leagues ahead of pain,dont compare nagato0and madara in terms of raw power. Oh and the shockwave only cut the mountain tops off,nothing more,and cut the rock formations in half.The mountains were still standing.Oh and the gokage were hit by that shockwave too. None of them died.The counters to the slash have been statee already. Nagato's ct eats whole mountains,maddy got no chance.

Madara saying he couldnt use both susanoo and preta simultaneously somehow brought ynu to this conclution? Lol.

That's all a lie because same thing happened with nagato and itachi... :|

Seeing how you are a die hard-nagato fanboy, I won't argue installing logic into anything you stand for at this moment.

 

[VongolaX]

What does that have to do with the thread?


Rinnegan created the moon, EMS didn't

Rinnegan > EMS

Well that's wrong

Rinnegan didn't create the moon, the sage of six paths did.

Madara has the rinnegan yet he can't create the moon, even with both eyes he will need the juubi's full chakra in order to create the moon.

 

[OmegaRed721]

Well that's wrong

Rinnegan didn't create the moon, the sage of six paths did.

Madara has the rinnegan yet he can't create the moon, even with both eyes he will need the juubi's full chakra in order to create the moon.

Technically, the sage created the moon on his deathbed allegedly after seperating the Juubi into nine parts. Not sure though.

 

[VongolaX]

Technically, the sage created the moon on his deathbed allegedly after seperating the Juubi into nine parts. Not sure though.

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The sage was already born with the juubi's chakra

 

[genii96]

Pain created a Konoha crater, what shortened his life span and restricted Tendo (what includes ST, BT and CT) for several minutes, Chibaku Tensei also greatly weakened him. Madara feels no drawbacks from Susanoo's usage, has full protection and can spamm attacks with each slicing a mountain range. The perfect Susanoo easily busts Chibaku Tensei, as it will attack the sphere at the moment of it being as huge as a single mountain at most. Gakido absorbed a fraction of Hachibi's Chakra which was compressed into a human sized cloak, that's in no world comparable with a entity of such titanic proportions. Susanoo wouldn't just vanish if Nagato comes in contact with it, he would start to slowly consume its several stages. And that's the next point with contact.. Nagato is an ant compared to the perfect Susanoo, Susanoo needs only to swing its sword once to create massive destruction, while Nagato would create the same amount of destruction with far more costs.

Cutting through the tops of the mountains is the same result in the end, it's just the angle in which the shock wave arrives at the mountains, and if the shock wave can travel through a whole mountain range, it will easily cut through the same material which merely possesses a wider diameter.

It was shown how the Gokage got beaten off panel, their further fight holds no information. You must be kind of mad if you think a human would survive the impact of this shock wave, which of course merely blew them away with the first strike, as the mountains afar were Madara's intended destination.

ok,let me rephrase it. Madara used ps slashes,several bijudamas and went all out against hashirama,yet the result of their battle didnt compare to whatdeva could do. What are you comparhng a ps slash to? Dhd a ps slash make vote? How many ps slashes compare to what was used by both madara and hashirama and kyubi for a whole day?. Nagato dosent have the same weaknesses as pain.He casually sent a little meteor into naruto And he can replenish his chakra. The angle had nothing to do with it.

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. Clearly the wave travelled through the ground,up the mountain,and hit the tops. It wasnt strong enough to damage the base or any other part.It travelled that far because there were no obstructions. Once it met a mountain, it didnt move further. Are you comparing the chakra of a v2 jin to madara?.Going by your logic sasuke has more chakra than killer beelol.Preta absorbs whole,it didnt absorb bee to v1.It absorbed it all,same with susanoo. Ps cutting something this high?

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. Honestly the wave isnt a problem. The dog easily handles it and divides.

That's all a lie because same thing happened with nagato and itachi... :|

Seeing how you are a die hard-nagato fanboy, I won't argue installing logic into anything you stand for at this moment.

logic? Preta absorbs ninjutsu,susanoo is ninjutsu. Thats logic. Dont know where your susanoo fanfic came from.