[VS] EMS Madara vs EMS Sasuke

[BLAZE]

How stupid can people be to claim Madara without enhancement's can absorb jutsu :lol

If susanoo or kyuubi is allowed madara would pulverize sasuke without them he isn't getting past enton

 

[Hakke]

You ignored everything I said, so go read it again. Hiding in Ash Jutsu is a short to mid range jutsu as shown in the Manga. It is meant to be used while already within close range of your opponent. Using it to close in on your opponent is impossible unless its range were wider.

EMS Sasuke is far faster than SM Naruto and especially Sai so there's no reason to mention them here. EMS Sasuke at his peak reacts faster than a superior Naruto (KCM) and has foot speed beyond that of SM Naruto, easily.

I didn't find a DB scan for the Jutsu but when I checked Narutopedia, it is stated that it is for All Ranges Jutsus and it was even shown in the Manga that it blowed away a lot of Ninjas who were far from Naruto and Sasuke so it must have a wide range.

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and sure that EMS Sasuke is much faster than SM Naruto but Madara is not going to blitz him, he is just going to engage him in CQC and he was fast enough to blitz SM Naruto and even you said the he is faster than Sasuke and there is fact that he is going to dash towards him after a smoke screen so he should be able to engage him if not for Enton.

It's lightning. :lol No. Lmao. Since when was Madara fast enough to dodge lightning? Smh. The reason why Kirin is fast is because lightning is fast, not because it's a large tech. They literally explained all this when the tech debuted. What is the underlined about? Not only is Madara not fast enough to dodge, meaning hiding his position is useless as Sasuke will just aim at his last known location, Kirin at it's largest is the size of a Mountain. Madara isn't dodging or hiding from a Kirin smaller than that unless Sasuke makes it a regular bolt of lightning, which would be stupid.

Gunbai absorbs chakra. It didn't tank any form of BD nor is a smaller Kirin weaker than Bijuu Dama. Kirin isn't chakra either lmao stop it man. Please. Where are you getting this stuff from? Size of Kirin=How much clouds are produced. More heat=More clouds. Less heat=Less clouds. That's common sense.

You saw "smaller" and threw in the word Mini to try and downplay the argument. Don't do that. I never once said "Mini" Kirin. I said "Smaller". Nice try though.

Pardon me, I didn't know how Kirin even works that's why my question were silly.

anyway, you are right on everything except the size issue. Sasuke can't decide the amount of clouds that are going to be produced at least not in this match. More Heat = More Cloud, More Cloud = Larger Kirin. so More Heat = Larger Kirin right? and don't forget that it is a fight between two pyromaniacs with Bijuu sized flames so it defenitly going to be a very heated battle so his Kirin would be large unless its size doesn't depend on the amount of clouds prodouced by the heat?

Wrong. The moment Naruto's BD was absorbed was the moment the technique was activated as that is part of the jutsu's function. Madara saying "Uchiha Gaeshi" right when he blew the wind back at Naruto doesn't mean that there is a delay that can be as long as he wants.

it was not shown that Gunbai absorbed Naruto's BD nor was it stated that it absorbs Chakra. what was stated that it converts it to wind and it didn't convert Naruto's BD until Madara said: "Uchiha Gaeshi" which means that it is a Jutsu that the user uses the moment he wants. the Gunbai does not act from its own. at least that how it was shown in the Manga.

:lol Don't be daft and actually read that scan.

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That is half the size of the explosion.

Ah, My bad, I totally missed that.

None of this is faster than Amaterasu. Sasuke can ignite the entire smoke cloud if Madara wants to hide in it to use a Katon that Sasuke is going to overpower anyway so this whole strategy is literally pointless and it only gets Madara killed since he won't be able to block an Amaterasu that is as large as the smoke cloud he makes w/ Hiding in Ash.

And wind makes fire hotter. It doesn't make it much larger or even larger at all as shown by Kakuzu's Fire and Wind combination.


Ok I'm gonna need you to stop with this Hiding in Ash nonsense.

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The top right panel depicts how wide an area it covers. That is close to mid range. Regardless, this has all been addressed above. If you think that Madara using this, making a clone and using 2 techs can be done faster than Sasuke can use Amaterasu then you're delusional. That's not even all that's wrong with this quote either.

Yes, after he absorbed the chakra that Naruto slammed into his Gunbai. So if you don't have scans of what you are actually claiming is possible then you can do us both a favor and drop this point.

Keyword is INCOMING buddy. Not chakra or attacks. Lmao really?

Incoming= Things coming at the Gunbai. Madara hitting something isn't something coming at him nor does "incoming attacks" = "any chakra that it touches".

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So unless you have a scan of Gunbai working like Samehada, in the sense that it absorbs chakra what it strikes, you can stop now because Kishimoto has shown that it absorbs what hits it. Not the other way around.

-Madara cannot dodge Amaterasu.
-Madara has no reliable counter to Enton whether it be in close combat or mid or long range combat.
-Madara cannot dodge or survive Kirin.

I'll concede, Madara loses this match.

 

[KidGamer65]

I didn't find a DB scan for the Jutsu but when I checked Narutopedia, it is stated that it is for All Ranges Jutsus and it was even shown in the Manga that it blowed away a lot of Ninjas who were far from Naruto and Sasuke so it must have a wide range.

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I showed you a scan of it's range. Wiki saying "All Ranges" is irrelevant because it's just the wiki, but I will concede this particular point because of that scan. So yes, Madara can engage him in CQC. Doesn't really matter though because he won't be able to defeat him.

and sure that EMS Sasuke is much faster than SM Naruto but Madara is not going to blitz him, he is just going to engage him in CQC and he was fast enough to blitz SM Naruto and even you said the he is faster than Sasuke and there is fact that he is going to dash towards him after a smoke screen so he should be able to engage him if not for Enton.

Then yes, Madara can get in close range of him, but Sasuke either uses Enton while in CQC to push him back or break free or he just fries him with Amaterasu, which can be used from any range.

Pardon me, I didn't know how Kirin even works that's why my question were silly.

anyway, you are right on everything except the size issue. Sasuke can't decide the amount of clouds that are going to be produced at least not in this match. More Heat = More Cloud, More Cloud = Larger Kirin. so More Heat = Larger Kirin right? and don't forget that it is a fight between two pyromaniacs with Bijuu sized flames so it defenitly going to be a very heated battle so his Kirin would be large unless its size doesn't depend on the amount of clouds prodouced by the heat?

Katon doesn't stay on the battlefield long enough to heat it up properly. That is why Sasuke shot his up into the sky and used heat from a flame that doesn't go out (Amaterasu) to fuel his jutsu.

it was not shown that Gunbai absorbed Naruto's BD nor was it stated that it absorbs Chakra. what was stated that it converts it to wind and it didn't convert Naruto's BD until Madara said: "Uchiha Gaeshi" which means that it is a Jutsu that the user uses the moment he wants. the Gunbai does not act from its own. at least that how it was shown in the Manga.

Uchiha Reflection (Uchiha Gaeshi)
Ninjutsu,close range,defensive,offensive, B-rank.
Users: Uchiha Madra/Uchiha Obito

The fan that produces the rough wind!
Uchiha family member s specialty to fan the fire is in their blood (this is why fan is their clan symbol,their pride- TN). Madra s weapon Gumbai Uchiwa (war fan) is a honorific, inherited from previous clansmen generations, carved of an unique spirit (sacred) tree "ryouju" from which only special ritual instruments are made.
This fan has a bound ability to convert incoming chakra to wind nature manipulation (seishisu). By using the fan s stiffness,it returns back the enemy's jutsu in a burst of a violent storm,this is the “Uchiha reflection”nature. During the era of the warring kingdoms Madara killed many ninja by their own ninjutsu.
Picture 1: During the stage of the 4-th Great Ninja War Madara used this war fan to absorb Naruto' s "Chou mini bijudama".
Picture 2. And instantly converted into wind nature transformation. Strong gust of wind blew away Naruto' s shadow clone.

Come on dude. :lol Even if the DB didn't say "absorb" it doesn't take much thought to figure out that is what happened. Gunbai absorbs the incoming chakra and turns it to wind. Hence BD vanishing when it hits the Gunbai. Hence it not exploding. So the jutsu was initiated the moment BD hit the fan and Madara blocked it.


This doesn't even address the point at hand.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Sasuke wins handily. Amaterasu counters and Katon, while Enton gives Sasuke a huge advantage at close range

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

Madara wins this 1 easily. He killed nearly the entire shinobi alliance with Taijutsu alone

 

[Xlad]

Sasuke

 

[salamander uchiha]

Madara wins this 1 easily. He killed nearly the entire shinobi alliance with Taijutsu alone

Madara sama wins, with relative ease. It's a shocker but we agree on something for once.

 

[Silenqe]

Restrictions: No susanoo for either
No kurama
Alive ems mads

Who takes this? It was said sasuke would surpass madara ems to ems but he didn't have it for long. Can ems sauce take down ems mads?

Sasuke wins this battle. Madara has no counter to Amaterasu and EMS Sasuke has more abilities then EMS Madara, so looking at the arsenal and all the possibilities I would say Sasuke.

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[Animegoin]

LMFAO Amaterasu didn’t do anything to revived no eyes Madara but it’s supposed to harm him now when he actually has eyes? Oof.

 

[Silenqe]

LMFAO Amaterasu didn’t do anything to revived no eyes Madara but it’s supposed to harm him now when he actually has eyes? Oof.

Ya? Amaterasu did do something. Madara's armor were burned off? So yes i think it will do something to Madara. Cuz it already did.

 

[minamoto]

Ya? Amaterasu did do something. Madara's armor were burned off? So yes i think it will do something to Madara. Cuz it already did.

sasuke will sell free hugs to Madara becuz Madara is incel????????..

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

Ya? Amaterasu did do something. Madara's armor were burned off? So yes i think it will do something to Madara. Cuz it already did.

If Kabuto could dodge it then so can Madara and just because it burned off his armor doesn't mean he'll win not to mention Madara wasn't taking him seriously at that point either.

 

[Animegoin]

Ya? Amaterasu did do something. Madara's armor were burned off? So yes i think it will do something to Madara. Cuz it already did.

Oh shit, not Madara’s armor! He’s totally screwed. It’s even funnier when you realize that Madara’s long hair completely covered the back portion of his armor yet his hair wasn’t singed by Amaterasu at all.

 

[minamoto]

lady who who gives hugs for money wins!!!!!!..

madara is a incel becuz he never had gf or wife...but he dgaf!!!...HE IS TEH FVVVCKING GOD MADARA UCHIHA!!!..

 

[Silenqe]

Oh shit, not Madara’s armor! He’s totally screwed. It’s even funnier when you realize that Madara’s long hair completely covered the back portion of his armor yet his hair wasn’t singed by Amaterasu at all.

Sasuke targeted Madara's armor not his hair

The reason why I brought this up was that you said that Amaterasu couldn't do anything to Madara and I just said that he could.

 

[Animegoin]

Sasuke targeted Madara's armor not his hair

The reason why I brought this up was that you said that Amaterasu couldn't do anything to Madara and I just said that he could.

Amaterasu spreads, you dingus; It wouldn’t just magically avoid his hair because his hair was covering his armor.

Lol stripping Madara of his armor is surely something.

 

[Silenqe]

If Kabuto could dodge it then so can Madara and just because it burned off his armor doesn't mean he'll win not to mention Madara wasn't taking him seriously at that point either.

Kabuto didn't dodge Amaterasu tho? I reread the manga and even watched the episode were at should happen but he didn't dodge it at all?

Sasuke doesn't win if he can burn Madara's armor, I never said that. What I said was that Amaterasu can affect Madara because someone else said it couldn't.

And I would admit that Madara didn't take Sasuke seriously until he saw Sasuke had the EMS, but that doesn't mean anything tho.

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Amaterasu spreads, you dingus; It wouldn’t just magically avoid his hair because his hair was covering his armor.

Lol stripping Madara of his armor is surely something.

Amaterasu doesn't spread, you dingus. Amaterasu burns whatever Sasuke uses it on and doesn't spread to the ground or anything like that? Sasuke focused Amaterasu on Madara's armor and not Madara himself. If Sasuke did then Madara would have been burning the entire fight?

Also, Amaterasu gets used a lot and in all these moments it doesn't spread. It only "spreads" on the thing that Sasuke or Itachi was focused on burning.

And I don't get why you think that I think that stripping Madara of his armor is something big, I just said that Sasuke could use Amaterasu on Madara and come with an example.

 

[Animegoin]

Kabuto didn't dodge Amaterasu tho? I reread the manga and even watched the episode were at should happen but he didn't dodge it at all?

Sasuke doesn't win if he can burn Madara's armor, I never said that. What I said was that Amaterasu can affect Madara because someone else said it couldn't.

And I would admit that Madara didn't take Sasuke seriously until he saw Sasuke had the EMS, but that doesn't mean anything tho.

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Amaterasu doesn't spread, you dingus. Amaterasu burns whatever Sasuke uses it on and doesn't spread to the ground or anything like that? Sasuke focused Amaterasu on Madara's armor and not Madara himself. If Sasuke did then Madara would have been burning the entire fight?

Also, Amaterasu gets used a lot and in all these moments it doesn't spread. It only "spreads" on the thing that Sasuke or Itachi was focused on burning.

And I don't get why you think that I think that stripping Madara of his armor is something big, I just said that Sasuke could use Amaterasu on Madara and come with an example.

I could waste my time making you look even dumber than you do already, but I’ll just post this:

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It touched his hair along with his armor at first, then spread to his shirt. Yet his hair was unphased, your argument is neg diff’d. GG

Lmfao fail

Try again, dingus.

 

[ShogunSpiderman89]

Kabuto didn't dodge Amaterasu tho? I reread the manga and even watched the episode were at should happen but he didn't dodge it at all?

I just checked and you're right Kabuto didn't dodge. Sasuke used it as a shield, but it still didn't help him in battle and the 4th Raikage did dodge the Amaterasu.

Sasuke doesn't win if he can burn Madara's armor, I never said that. What I said was that Amaterasu can affect Madara because someone else said it couldn't.

Fair enough

And I would admit that Madara didn't take Sasuke seriously until he saw Sasuke had the EMS, but that doesn't mean anything tho.

Fair enough

 

[Silenqe]

I just checked and you're right Kabuto didn't dodge. Sasuke used it as a shield, but it still didn't help him in battle and the 4th Raikage did dodge the Amaterasu.

True and it is the 4th Raikage
Light speed. Of course, he could dodge it.

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I could waste my time making you look even dumber than you do already, but I’ll just post this:

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It touched his hair along with his armor at first, then spread to his shirt. Yet his hair was unphased, your argument is neg diff’d. GG

Lmfao fail

Try again, dingus.

I already explained why it didn't burn

It didn't burn because Sasuke focused the Amaterasu on Madara's armor, not his hair or him. Also, his shirt is apart of his armor so that makes perfect sense that it "spread" to it and burned it.

I don't think you understand Amaterasu that much here.

Dingus