EMS Madara VS DSM Kabuto

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An assumption doesn't have/give proof. I gave facts and information that leads the proposition that he can.

Okay, we'll see.

- Kabuto already had the intention of using Hashirama's cells for himself, once capturing Sasuke to feel "complete". We already witness, that without Kabuto experiment on Hashirama's cells, Madara would never be able to do the Mokuton he was performing. Fact.

- We have seen times that characters who don't have reserves like Hashirama, like his clones, being able to pull out Hashirama base Mokuton, when all it took was a boost of mixing the DNA's together, making it stronger. Via Yamato and Sprial Zetsu. Via Kid Obito and Spiral Zetsu.

-Not only did it take to complete the cells, either your reserves aren't excellent, but Kabuto has both.

In order to master and go to Sage mode, you would need an enormous amount of chakra, to take it in. Fact. Not only that but Sage mode can dramatically increase the power of ninjutsu. Fact.

All the evidence leads to show that Kabuto has the reserves to ability to use Base Hashirama's Mokuton.

Proof?

Except that no shinobi, except debatably Madara, has been able to replicate Hashirama's scale of Mokuton. Not even one.

I don't know what you meant by this, but Kabuto's reserves aren't top notch and the quantity of the cell he holds in his body is unquantifiable.

What are you talking about? HM requires perfect balance between physical, mental and nature energy. I don't think anything is said about reserves, it's mostly irrelevant.

So big he can compete Hashirama... even in base? Let's not get out of hand here.

Well, you just said it... wow.

Mokuton didn't show 0 trouble in that fight. Hashirama needed HM to match PS+Kurama. This isn't even the same conditions.

Except getting blown up multiple times? Yeah, agree. Hashirama was pressured there. And no, your assumption is that Hashirama = DSM Kabuto. My point is that if Hashirama was pressured, Kabuto gets eradicated.

PS is not needed he has his V4.

- @Bold how does that disprove anything? Are you saying his body is not compatible to follow the medium he is using?

- @Bold/underline Where does the manga support that Kabuto does not have a vast amount of chakra??

Your basing off your claims with no support and I am making fanfiction of using manga support?

No he can't. Unless you provide proof.

And where does it?

Yeah, I'll just ignore the philosophic part.

 

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Proof?

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3. Kabuto wanted to reach Six Paths and already hypothesis that you need Senju and Uchiha to get it. (chapter 560-561)
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Except that no shinobi, except debatably Madara, has been able to replicate Hashirama's scale of Mokuton. Not even one.

What you talking about? the people I have mention were shown to replicate base Hashirama scale. Check your scaling of base Hashirama Mokukjin compare to Spiral Zetsu's SS. Kid Obito's generic Mokuton scaled up to Base Hashirama Mokuton in Hell chapter.

Even incomplete cells of Danzo's, lost control and almost took over his body, with its scaling.

I don't know what you meant by this, but Kabuto's reserves aren't top notch and the quantity of the cell he holds in his body is unquantifiable.

All those cells, plus Orochimaru, gave him the reserves to gather natural energy. Therefore, to take in natural energy and master it, you would need vast amount of chakra. This is clearly shows quantity in reserves.

What are you talking about? HM requires perfect balance between physical, mental and nature energy. I don't think anything is said about reserves, it's mostly irrelevant.

It isn't irrelevant since Pa explained to Naruto what is require to take in natural energy in the first place.[

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So big he can compete Hashirama... even in base? Let's not get out of hand here.

Well, you just said it... wow.

Base on what reasoning he can make base hashirama constructs when he has vast amount of chakra + Sage to dramatically increase the ninjutsu?

Except getting blown up multiple times? Yeah, agree. Hashirama was pressured there. And no, your assumption is that Hashirama = DSM Kabuto. My point is that if Hashirama was pressured, Kabuto gets eradicated.

I didn't assume anything of Kabuto being = to Hashirama. I said the cells he has from him + his own personal ability can take out Madara in this match up.

PS is not needed he has his V4.

V4 is unstabilized Perfect Susanoo.

No he can't. Unless you provide proof.

This is common sense, the characters are using Kabuto's flesh as a medium to manifest. How else you think Kabuto can combine himself with Orochimaru's true form as a combo?

How else can Sakon and Ukon be able to mix their bodies together from any where to any place?

And where does it?

Pa's words in order to take in natural energy.

 

[Rιver]

I can't really take someone seriously who thinks child Obito and Spiral Zetsu had Mokuton on par with Hashirama.

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So I'll leave it here since I know what follows from this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I can't really take someone seriously who thinks child Obito and Spiral Zetsu had Mokuton on par with Hashirama.

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So I'll leave it here since I know what follows from this.

That's bullshi and you know it. Your trying ignore all the evidence I presented Base on one misrepresentation of my points. Your argument. Was base on scaling not about power level and skill

 

[KidGamer65]

I guess we are on the same page, since you like giving Madara SS in some arguments.

If only I cared enough to bother to counter.......but I don't.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If only I cared enough to bother to counter.......but I don't.

there is nothing to counter it just shows you you're a hypocrite. you don't have to care to show that you're not a hypocrite

 

[Unorthodox]

Kabuto loses a good argument isn't need when he can't do anything to Kurama. Inb4 you give him fanfic abilities...

Hashirama's cells inside of him and the manga supports that Kabuto has the ability to manifest cells to access the characters ability. Now with that said, Hashirama's abilities but he does witness some abilities through Madara, and the basic knowledge of jutsu everyone knows about. These two [

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he predicted the future

 

[Draegod]

Why is Manda 2 so overrated

You really have no idea how big and powerful Manda 2 is do you?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Its interesting to see hypocrites attacking me for using arguments that the manga can support, without the need to see it in manga scans to make valid point. The same people calling me out on "fanfic" end up turning around and make inductive reasoning on why this character has access to do this. It's so funny that they did it recently, stating in a match up, that Madara can use Shin Sūsenju.

Enough of the rambling, I fail to see how Kurama can even solo this match up. Kabuto still has Hashirama's cells inside of him and the manga supports that Kabuto has the ability to manifest cells to access the characters ability. Now with that said, Kabuto already admitted that he doesn SWERVE!!!!!! .

Imma start calling you EjFanfic for this one...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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he predicted the future

Was wondering when hypocrite #2 was going to post. The face expression using a dumbass artist, fits perfectly for you, to someone so clue less.

Anyone can ignore evidence, shut off reason, and be bias in cases as yourself. I can do it too:

@Kidgamer how is minato tagging SS

Madara wins more times than not

Hur dur, fanfiction. You said Madara can do SS, with no manga scans of such, hur dur. Laughable at best, hur dur. Can't take you serious, and making up stuff that the manga never showed, hur dur.

Imma start calling you EjFanfic for this one...

Sure, you can close out all reasoning and evidence to prove my point. I can call you by many names.