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Susano'o is useless due to Hakugeki and Mugen Ōnsa and potentially Bracken Dance.
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EMS Madara VS DSM Kabuto
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Nope, sasuke had his susanoo active prior to white rage, however once the jutsu was executed, sasuke was clearly unable to maintain their susanoo,not to mention that
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there is nothing different in madaras case he gets taken out by a chakra scalpel once he loses his susanoo, and kabuto here doesnt have to worry about who to kill first, as madara is certainly getting taken out,
Yes and apart from that what sensing feats has he shown?
how is sensing even helping him counter white rage? when hes unable to knead chakra once hes under its efffect?
and unlike itachi hes just fighting by himself, whether he locates kabuto or not, he would be left defenseless
talking is different from kneading chakra,, Madara wont be able to protect himself
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therefore leaving him defenselesswhether the brothers could use their other MS techniques or not, madara only has his susanoo here, which gets countered hard
madara would also be unable to break the genjutsu that easily, since he is just by himself here, and unlike the brothers, he doesnt have someone to use genjutsu on him to break it,
Not really, you havent given me anything on how madara wins,
and i will repeat again, shadow clones are not damaging kabuto in any way whatsoever,
and with kabutos sensing and reflexess they woould be lucky to even land a hit let alone land the seal
furthermore, how is madara even damaging kabuto?
I know that, and i even agreed with you on that, i dont see why ur bringing that up when my case clearly focused on madara without it
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Its interesting to see hypocrites attacking me for using arguments that the manga can support, without the need to see it in manga scans to make valid point. The same people calling me out on "fanfic" end up turning around and make inductive reasoning on why this character has access to do this. It's so funny that they did it recently, stating in a match up, that Madara can use Shin Sūsenju.
Enough of the rambling, I fail to see how Kurama can even solo this match up. Kabuto still has Hashirama's cells inside of him and the manga supports that Kabuto has the ability to manifest cells to access the characters ability. Now with that said, Kabuto already admitted that he doesn't have full intel on Hashirama's abilities but he does witness some abilities through Madara, and the basic knowledge of jutsu everyone knows about. These two [
The good thing about using Sōma no Kō is that you are able to do a combination and multitask with your "partner". Kabuto's can perform a jutsu while Hashirama cells using Mokuton on top of it, as an example.
A good way to take Kurama out is to Spawn Mokuton on Kurama, Madara of course is going to force Kurama to blow up the terrain then with Kabuto. But Kabuto, on the other hand, can summon a snake to be used as a meat shield. Mokuton simply could of brought out time for a snake to reach Kurama in close quaters. Kurama fires a TBB and Kurama also gets hit in the cross fire. Another Mokuton will catch him in his vulnerability.
Muki Tensei is still a perfect way to level the ground to where they are standing, to change the trajectory of a TBB, before being fired. Even Muki Tensei and Mokuton would make a great combo. Not because Muki Tensei manipulate wood (because it can't) but the very ground that they are standing on can change and shift Kurama and Madara's attack patterns.
The only threat to Kabuto here is a TBB, to which he has many ways to prevent for exploding on him and used against Kurama himself.
Enough of the rambling, I fail to see how Kurama can even solo this match up. Kabuto still has Hashirama's cells inside of him and the manga supports that Kabuto has the ability to manifest cells to access the characters ability. Now with that said, Kabuto already admitted that he doesn't have full intel on Hashirama's abilities but he does witness some abilities through Madara, and the basic knowledge of jutsu everyone knows about. These two [
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] jutsu alone should be able to stop a mindless creature, with no defense support, or give some troubling. The good thing about using Sōma no Kō is that you are able to do a combination and multitask with your "partner". Kabuto's can perform a jutsu while Hashirama cells using Mokuton on top of it, as an example.
A good way to take Kurama out is to Spawn Mokuton on Kurama, Madara of course is going to force Kurama to blow up the terrain then with Kabuto. But Kabuto, on the other hand, can summon a snake to be used as a meat shield. Mokuton simply could of brought out time for a snake to reach Kurama in close quaters. Kurama fires a TBB and Kurama also gets hit in the cross fire. Another Mokuton will catch him in his vulnerability.
Muki Tensei is still a perfect way to level the ground to where they are standing, to change the trajectory of a TBB, before being fired. Even Muki Tensei and Mokuton would make a great combo. Not because Muki Tensei manipulate wood (because it can't) but the very ground that they are standing on can change and shift Kurama and Madara's attack patterns.
The only threat to Kabuto here is a TBB, to which he has many ways to prevent for exploding on him and used against Kurama himself.
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That isn't good reasoning on why he isn't able to use the cells inside of him. They're so many jutsu the Sound 5 and Oro have but all gain 1 panel time. And there were jutsus Kabuto had in his possession (part 1 series) he didn't use in that fight either.
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Outside a medium objects, White Rage is useless. Genjutsu is also useless against with Madara's sensory to sound-waves and overpowering it via exothermic reaction through Katon: Gouka Mekkyaku. Every other technique in Kabuto's arsenal is defended and overpowered by Susanoo, which can be numbered by Kage Bunshin.
Outside a medium objects, White Rage is useless. Genjutsu is also useless against with Madara's sensory to sound-waves and overpowering it via exothermic reaction through Katon: Gouka Mekkyaku. Every other technique in Kabuto's arsenal is defended and overpowered by Susanoo, which can be numbered by Kage Bunshin.
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So, not only does EjBlack think or assume that;
A) Kabuto can use Mokuton
B) His Mokuton is the same scale as Madara's
C) Superior Mokuton could restrain Kurama and EMS Madara and Hashirama wasn't forced to use HM.
Without genjutsu and techniques like Hakugeki, Madara could take it but without Kabuto wins.
A) Kabuto can use Mokuton
B) His Mokuton is the same scale as Madara's
C) Superior Mokuton could restrain Kurama and EMS Madara and Hashirama wasn't forced to use HM.
Without genjutsu and techniques like Hakugeki, Madara could take it but without Kabuto wins.
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ejblack is not wrong to assume kabuto can use mokuton
however it will not be on the same scale as madaras
obviously if kabuto used it on the uchiha bros they would have lost
regardless of itachis brilliant intelligence
plot needed sasuke and itachi to win lol
back to the debate without ps and kurama kabuto mid diffs
with kurama madara mid diffs at most
however it will not be on the same scale as madaras
obviously if kabuto used it on the uchiha bros they would have lost
regardless of itachis brilliant intelligence
plot needed sasuke and itachi to win lol
back to the debate without ps and kurama kabuto mid diffs
with kurama madara mid diffs at most
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No, he's wrong in many cases. For example, he can't use Mayfly. In order to use that ability one requires to his body as a medium. When using one's ability he uses another body as a medium.
Also, using all these abilities require vast amount of chakra. Even though the manga until now has forgotten it, techniques still require chakra. Kabuto doesn't necessarily have the reserves to use Mokuton at least on this scale.
As KidGamer said; this is pure fanfiction as you can't prove how much, if and how he can use it.
Also, using all these abilities require vast amount of chakra. Even though the manga until now has forgotten it, techniques still require chakra. Kabuto doesn't necessarily have the reserves to use Mokuton at least on this scale.
As KidGamer said; this is pure fanfiction as you can't prove how much, if and how he can use it.
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An assumption doesn't have/give proof. I gave facts and information that leads the proposition that he can.
- Kabuto already had the intention of using Hashirama's cells for himself, once capturing Sasuke to feel "complete". We already witness, that without Kabuto experiment on Hashirama's cells, Madara would never be able to do the Mokuton he was performing. Fact.
- We have seen times that characters who don't have reserves like Hashirama, like his clones, being able to pull out Hashirama base Mokuton, when all it took was a boost of mixing the DNA's together, making it stronger. Via Yamato and Sprial Zetsu. Via Kid Obito and Spiral Zetsu.
-Not only did it take to complete the cells, either your reserves aren't excellent, but Kabuto has both.
In order to master and go to Sage mode, you would need an enormous amount of chakra, to take it in. Fact. Not only that but Sage mode can dramatically increase the power of ninjutsu. Fact.
All the evidence leads to show that Kabuto has the reserves to ability to use Base Hashirama's Mokuton.
Mokuton didn't show 0 trouble in that fight. Hashirama needed HM to match PS+Kurama. This isn't even the same conditions.
Your telling me I am making claims without proof and yet give proof as to why my claim can be supported?
I guess we are on the same page, since you like giving Madara SS in some arguments.
- @Bold how does that disprove anything? Are you saying his body is not compatible to follow the medium he is using?
- @Bold/underline Where does the manga support that Kabuto does not have a vast amount of chakra??
Your basing off your claims with no support and I am making fanfiction of using manga support?