EMS is NOT borrowed power

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Actually it's given to them, which means they own it, which makes it theirs. By this logic everyone has powers given to them by Kaguya, and the sage. In the end it's all fair. What matters is how they utilize these powers. You could take the rest of the SA and put Narutos, and Sasukes owner in them, and they wouldn't be able to do nearly any of the things those two can do.
this was the point I was trying to get across. But fans of Uchiba like to claim it's all legit when it's an Uchiha and everyone else is using borrowed power. This is why Uchiha fanboys/girls irk me so.

Sure Naruto's power and Sasuke's power are not the same. One uses dojutsu and the other is a Jin, so the acquisition of their powers differ, but both are brought forth due to an external source.

Sasuke doesn't just awaken the MS or EMS without an external influence (killing a sibling, a sibling's eyes)

Naruto doesn't get his power without an external (or in his case an internal) source. (kyuubi) people need to get over the fact that neither of them got to where they are without external factors contributing.

Sasuke's power is still Sasuke's power and Naruto's power is still Naruto's power.
 

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The same goes for the uchiha dude. Not every uchiha awakens the sharingan and even less awaken the MS. And even less so for the EMS as two Uchiba have ever done so. Not every uchiha eye is compatible. You stop.
There have been more Sharingan and MS users than Kurama jinchurki,your argument has no basis.Based on what Itachi and Tobirama said every Uchiha back in the old days would kill each other for their eyes in order to use techniques like Izanagi.
 

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Might as well just throw some common sense out there:

Uchiha clan were known to make sacrifices to learn the secret of the Sharingan, which is something Itachi mentions to Sasuke during their first encounter before the battle commenced. This would explain the stash of Sharingans with Madara in his cave and Obito's knowledge in maintaining a large stash taken after the Uchiha massacre. Itachi again mentioned the factors behind the over-usage of Izanagi. As Izanagi results in loss of light in the eye - like Izanami - it was done so to record successful encounters for future battle references, as a Sharingan is a copy wheel after all.

This is where the spare Sharingans from fallen comrades would come in, as I doubt a clan known for its eyes wouldn't have contingency plans in place to utilize the collected battle information through Izanagi and Izanami even. This fits well with Itachi's mentions of Clan's sacrifices to learn the Doujutsu secrets for higher tier Sharingans, and a stash of Sharingans with Madara. Coming back to the topic, an anthropological aspect is very important.

People should remember that Sasuke is Itachi's brother and as tools are passed on between clan members - Sharingans given the context and their usage by fellow clan members - Itachi's eyes are his legacy, as he's the last living relative. Getting a rightful ownership of the eyes isn't stealing or borrowing, as per clan rule - even in real life, tools, folklores, techniques etc are passed on through generations within a family or tightly knitted community made up of close familial ties - Itachi's eyes after his death are Sasuke's - as he's his brother and his family member.

I agree with OP.
 
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NarutoxMan, you cobtradict yourself by sayong that Indra's eyes worked different, then saying it was impossible for him to have MS. We don't know how it works, so how he couldn't have MS?
 

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There is a greater chance of awakening a Sharingan/MS then being the 9 Tailed Jinchuriki, YOU stop and take your L.
dude you should really learn to read the entire comment before flying off the handle with your insults. I actually agree that Sasuke's power is his own.

But the thing is you guys justify Naruto's power as being the Kyuubi's like all his power comes from Kurama. Sage mode has nothing to do with Kurama yet I've seen tons of threads about how that is due to Kurama as well.

this is my final post here: it does not matter how they got their power. They still need to learn how to wield it. Whether a Samurai creates his own sword or buys it from talented blacksmith doesn't change the sword's ability. How the weilder uses it determines its power.
 

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Epitome of Fanboy and Heavily Biased. Itachi's eyes is itachi whether you like it or not.
Actually, I can give you an evidence why that's not completely true anymore. The eyes of Itachi and Izuna gained a new light, because they serve a new master. Sure, in the past they were Itachis and Izunas eyes, but due to that incident they become (formal) the eyes of another being.
That's also the reason why Madara didn't has any eyes after Rinne Tensei. His eyes(Izunas former eyes) have been still intact.
 

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Might as well just throw some common sense out there:

Uchiha clan were known to make sacrifices to learn the secret of the Sharingan, which is something Itachi mentions to Sasuke during their first encounter before the battle commenced. This would explain the stash of Sharingans with Madara in his cave and Obito's knowledge in maintaining a large stash taken after the Uchiha massacre. Itachi again mentioned the factors behind the over-usage of Izanagi. As Izanagi results in loss of light in the eye - like Izanami - it was done so to record successful encounters for future battle references, as a Sharingan is a copy wheel after all.

This is where the spare Sharingans from fallen comrades would come in, as I doubt a clan known for its eyes wouldn't have contingency plans in place to utilize the collected battle information through Izanagi and Izanami even. This fits well with Itachi's mentions of Clan's sacrifices to learn the Doujutsu secrets for higher tier Sharingans, and a stash of Sharingans with Madara. Coming back to the topic, an anthropological aspect is very important.

People should remember that Sasuke is Itachi's brother and as tools are passed on between clan members - Sharingans given the context and their usage by fellow clan members - Itachi's eyes are his legacy, as he's the last living relative. Getting a rightful ownership of the eyes isn't stealing or borrowing, as per clan rule - even in real life, tools, folklores, techniques etc are passed on through generations within a family or tightly knitted community made up of close familial ties - Itachi's eyes after his death are Sasuke's - as he's his brother and his family member.

I agree with OP.
Agreed,the Sharingan and all it's advanced versions is a Uchiha birthright.Who cares about clan members swapping eyes when things like EMS are in their blood line to begin with.
 
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The number of Narutards in this thread is disturbing.

Unlike Sasuke, Naruto's main power originates from a separate entity which he borrowed from. Wheres Sasuke, his power is naturally passed down to him.
 
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Actually, I can give you an evidence why that's not completely true anymore. The eyes of Itachi and Izuna gained a new light, because they serve a new master. Sure, in the past they were Itachis and Izunas eyes, but due to that incident they become (formal) the eyes of another being.
That's also the reason why Madara didn't has any eyes after Rinne Tensei. His eyes(Izunas former eyes) have been still intact.
Just because someone else have your eyes doesn't make it theirs, Madara and Sasuke's eyes were done once their lights went out. anything else is a external source that doesn't belong hence when these thread need to stop.
 

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the same goes for naruto cause his father give him the half of nine tails with his live to controle it and he beat the nine tails with bee didnt help him he took the first attack and pouf gone naruto fought the nine tails with senpou oodama rasengan barrage and rasenhsuriken and with sage strenght his barely restraint him at the end sasuke asked obito take implant itachi eyes to get ems
 

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Just because someone else have your eyes doesn't make it theirs, Madara and Sasuke's eyes were done once their lights went out. anything else is a external source that doesn't belong hence when these thread need to stop.
This thread talks about the power, not the actual eyes. Ems sasuke woke up with his ms tech, not itachi's
 

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The number of Narutards in this thread is disturbing.

Unlike Sasuke, Naruto's main power originates from a separate entity which he borrowed from. Wheres Sasuke, his power is naturally passed down to him.
Sorry you just contradict yourself because Itachi's eyes originated from Itachi and guess what he is? a separate entity..........:|
 

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Agreed,the Sharingan and all it's advanced versions is a Uchiha birthright.Who cares about clan members swapping eyes when things like EMS are in their blood line to begin with.
The number of Narutards in this thread is disturbing.

Unlike Sasuke, Naruto's main power originates from a separate entity which he borrowed from. Wheres Sasuke, his power is naturally passed down to him.
Tell me about it. It's a common Clan practice. The comparisons with Naruto are hilarious.
 
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