Eight gate guy vs edo madara

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Edo madara

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Eight gate guy

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Edo madara has all the techniques he had in his edo form except he's alive instead so he can't regenerate.

Who would win?

 

[NarutoB]

If he has Hashirama's cells then he still can regenerate

 

[Bronze]

Edo Gai cant use 8th gates, and if he can, he would still get stomped by a slash of Perfect Susanoo or Meteor.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

sorry wt abt regenerate thing on madara? he is still edo right? if alive got hashi cells so

 

[TheCake]

I literally just logged in to make almost this exact thread. My question is - If Gai would've gotten to Madara as soon as Madara was revived (i.e. brought back to life (not edo), but not Ten-tails host yet), and used the 8th gate, would it have been enough to defeat Madara?
It's a tough question - but I'd have to still go with Madara (even though I love Gai). Perfect Susanoo would still be tough to penetrate - even with Evening Elephant. And even if Gai managed to trap Madara in EE's air pressure vortex, he would still be able to activate susanoo despite his inability to move.
And as NarutoB said, Hashi's cells would help with regeneration if Gai did land some blows. Not to mention genjutsu, amaterasu etc.
You could almost make the argument that, based on Gai's abilities, Sage Madara is a more favorable matchup for him. (i.e. no Susanoo - at least that we know of). So I'd go with Madara (post-edo, pre-ten tails).

Only thing that may change this analysis - Night Moth. If it turns out to be crazy OP, I might change my view to say Gai could've taken him down.

Nice topic! Thanks for posting!
Cake

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Guy can't seal so Madar win. But if we go by power level, Guy take this.

 

[NarutoB]

Guy can't seal so Madar win. But if we go by power level, Guy take this.

Madara's not an edo in this fight so there's no need to seal him.

The title of the thread contradicts what the op says

 

[Braiyan]

Hashirama's cells mean jack in this matchup. Madara had Hashirama cells when he lost his arm against the bijuu and

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. Couple that with the fact that not even Tsunade has shown the ability to regenerate lost limbs and it is quite apparent that Hashirama's regeneration can be overcome, quite easily, by someone who can make

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to the Juubi's Jinchuriki. That's not even considering the fact that the Madara being discussed in this matchup is basically Madara - SM durability and the Juubi, meaning his durability against Guy's attacks will be nonexistent.

People seem to forget how fast Guy is now too. Madara did not have enough time to manifest any version of Susano'o when the

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. As a Jinchuriki he

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a

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. Guy in Gate 7 fought hand to hand with that version of Madara and was outright blitzing him in 8th Gate, yet a vastly weaker version of Madara is going to manifest Susano'o, much less Perfect Susano'o (which has to be

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) before taking an Evening Elephant?

Here is how this match is going to happen: Madara is going to note that his opponent has red steam, before being slammed into a mile deep hole. Guy then follows up with 3 or 4 more Evening Elephants for good measure, thoroughly reducing Madara to paste. There's a slim chance that Madara may be able to manifest a Susano'o ribcage before getting hit, even a miniscule chance that he could manifest a V2/V3 Susano'o. They get overwhelmed with Evening Elephant, and then Madara dies soon afterwards. Guy wins.

 

[Inert Brian]

Madara kills them both with meteors, or Gai goes 8 gates and it's a draw.

 

[TheCake]

Two good points - Gai's speed is key and Perfect Susanoo Stabilization delay.
Gai's power is certainly overwhelming - and most likely significantly above even Tsunade's full power. If he can crush Madara before he gets a chance to stabilize PS, he will probably deal a fatal blow (even despite Hashi's cells). No doubt the EE Fifth Step could crush any form of Susanoo below Perfect form. I'd love to see Gai win this - believe me.

But I still give Madara the edge, as the manga always seems to raise his level of ability to whomever he is facing. Haha I also realize that's kind of a bullshit argument - but I gotta go with my gut on this.

I will say this -- Braiyan raises good points, and I would be pulling for Gai.

 

[ARGUS]

8th gate guy is fighting on par with JJ madara and even received his acknowledgement
JJ madara would take a good dump on edo madara
If 8th gate guy has a sealing jutsu then he stomps

 

[Chie]

If Gai goes 8 gates it's a draw, not that he can anyway.

Madara defeats him. U_U

 

[Strict]

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gg.

 

[Braiyan]

If Gai goes 8 gates it's a draw, not that he can anyway.

Madara defeats him. U_U

So an alive Madara is more durable and faster than a Madara with SM and the Juubi sealed inside him?

 

[AGoodBoy]

madara just uses Susano'o... The air current glides right around susano'o and that's that. Just because guy could create a 60foot hole doesn't mean he can break susano'o. With no effort, tsunade can shatter then ground with a finger, yet she can't break a Ribcage with max power.

 

[Strict]

madara just uses Susano'o... The air current glides right around susano'o and that's that. Just because guy could create a 60foot hole doesn't mean he can break susano'o. With no effort, tsunade can shatter then ground with a finger, yet she can't break a Ribcage with max power.

She concentrates a large portion of Chakra in her Chakra to send it into the ground upon impact. Gai on the other hand creates air pressure which possesses such massive effects. Susanoo's punches don't crush the ground neither but turns the victim to paste. Gai just jumps before Madara, who sits within the jewel of Susanoo's forehead and then uses his evening elephant. One strike against the PS' feet causes it to fall, and Gai then goes for Madara who sits inside the head of Susanoo. The Shinsuusenju caused the PS armor to vanish after it pummeled it with its thousands of fists. I would wonder if this strikes can create 100 meter deep holes with nothing but brute force. He even shattered Madara's sphere. Even BSM Naruto's TBB and Sasuke's SM Susanoo arrow made far less damage.

The one who opens the 8th gate will obtain 100 times his strength, rather possess no limits according Kakashi. Madara can't keep up with that. In his most powerful form, he received several blows, prime Madara would already be dead in this case.

 

[AGoodBoy]

She concentrates a large portion of Chakra in her Chakra to send it into the ground upon impact. Gai on the other hand creates air pressure which possesses such massive effects. Susanoo's punches don't crush the ground neither but turns the victim to paste. Gai just jumps before Madara, who sits within the jewel of Susanoo's forehead and then uses his evening elephant. One strike against the PS' feet causes it to fall, and Gai then goes for Madara who sits inside the head of Susanoo. The Shinsuusenju caused the PS armor to vanish after it pummeled it with its thousands of fists. I would wonder if this strikes can create 100 meter deep holes with nothing but brute force.

The one who opens the 8th gate will obtain 100 times his strength, rather possess no limits according Kakashi. Madara can't keep up with that. In his most powerful form, he received several blows, prime Madara would already be dead in this case.

she concentrates chakra in chakra? dayum! jokes

evening elephant uses air. Air is always susceptible to aerodynamics. Once it hits susano'o it will try to flow around instead of continuing to apply pressure on one spot[

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]. As soon as it hits, the pressure at one spot begins to dissipate and the pressure spreads out more as the air flows in every direction along the surface. If anything ,It will maybe vibrate susano'o and maybe cause madara some internal damage, but it won't break it.
Those other punch attacks use a solid medium to apply force to a small area. The force applied on that area is sustained because your solid fist won't just spread out so you can easily crack something from the pressure. The means of damage for both these attacks are different. Nothing suggests evening elephant's air canon can break a susano'o when it couldn't break omnyoudon(which can't nullify pure air).

As for shinshuu. It's attacks created Vote... And that's from most of it's hands being sliced off by kyuubi and not being able to deal damage.

 

[Strict]

As you couldn't read my edits, I will repeat myself; Gai can also use his Evening Elephant with his fist instead of air pressure. With this. he shattered even Madara's back sphere. What exactly did Naruto's BSM TBB and Sasuke's SM Susanoo arrow combined to Obito's sphere? Exactly, they did shit to him, only a few fractions of the sphere were cracked. If Gai smashes Susanoo's forehead, he destroys Madara. If not, he continues it a few times. He can't do anything within his Susanoo, if Gai appears right before him.

And if the Evening Elephant as used the first time against Madara would flow around the resistance, it wouldn't have pushed him that deep. Susanoo's head is gigantic, there will be no room for the air pressure to distribute if Gai hits one point of it, in this case the jewel of Susanoo's forehead. Look again at how large the surface of the PS' head is; 100 times the surface of the evening elephant [

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]. This air pressure will have no way to flow around.

 

[AGoodBoy]

As you couldn't read my edits, I will repeat myself; Gai can also use his Evening Elephant with his fist instead of air pressure. With this. he shattered even Madara's back sphere. What exactly did Naruto's BSM TBB and Sasuke's SM Susanoo arrow combined to Obito's sphere? Exactly, they did shit to him, only a few fractions of the sphere were cracked. If Gai smashes Susanoo's forehead, he destroys Madara. If not, he continues it a few times. He can't do anything within his Susanoo, if Gai appears right before him.

And if the Evening Elephant as used the first time against Madara would flow around the resistance, it wouldn't have pushed him that deep. Susanoo's head is gigantic, there will be no room for the air pressure to distribute if Gai hits one point of it, in this case the jewel of Susanoo's forehead. Look again at how large the surface of the PS' head is; 100 times the surface of the evening elephant [

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]. This air pressure will have no way to flow around.

Well, I'm not going to argue what happened there, but the omnyoudon was still chipped by the attack. obito's omnyoudon was then later shattered by rasengan... In fact, it was a more reinforced defence with several layers of omnyoudon. That clearly shows omnyoudon's actual defence is less than that of a PS seeing as a PS took the force of a point black tbb -- which is arguably stronger being produced by 100% kyuubi -- without a single scratch. So, guy punching madara through a thin layer of an orb isn't exactly a feat to definitively claim he can break a PS.


Yes it would flow that deep. Madara's a small target which only obstructed the center of evening elephant. The rest of it was unaffected by his body. He's hit, The air flows around him(it won't magically stop) and and slams into the ground. The force of the pressurized air is so great that it begins to dig iinto the ground; now that it's in this small pocket, surrounded on 3 sides, while being pushed down by more air on the top, the air cannon continues to dig into the ground until it loses all it's power. Madara's paralyzed(or not) body slams into the bottom of the hole with a velocity produced by gravity and a force(maximum, uninhibited force of the attack) received by the initial impact of evening elephant.

 

[Strict]

Too much logic. _@:

8th Gate was portrayed as something demolishing Rikudo level Ninja, EMS Madara can't handle him.