2. Amaterasu can be used at Kabuto's body the moment he leaves the Genjutsu to smash Kabuto. Kabuto uses Oral Rebirth and find himself getting blitzed by Totsuka, or burned yet again with Amaterasu.
The moment he leaves Genjutsu he is caught in it again. And Amaterasu is not happening, unless you suggest that Itachi is faster than the speed of sound. Not to mention, when Itachi breaks out of it Kabuto doesn't have to necessarily be in his line of sight.
The moment he leaves Genjutsu he is caught in it again. And Amaterasu is not happening, unless you suggest that Itachi is faster than the speed of sound. Not to mention, when Itachi breaks out of it Kabuto doesn't have to necessarily be in his line of sight.
No, it's not a continuously casting Genjutsu, never was never will be. And even then IC Kabuto doesn't use it continuously so stop mentioning it. Amaterasu shits on Kabuto long before Kabuto can pull out Tayuya anyways.
No, it's not a continuously casting Genjutsu, never was never will be. And even then IC Kabuto doesn't use it continuously so stop mentioning it. Amaterasu shits on Kabuto long before Kabuto can pull out Tayuya anyways.
OK I'm not going to entertain your idiocy for pages upon pages. Fight starts, Amaterasu is used and occurs far before Kabuto can manifest Tayuya. Skin shedding negs Amaterasu since when lmao? And confirmed? You're reaching for the skies here.. Amaterasu burns Kabuto's body time and time again and Kabuto can do nothing but deplete his chakra while Itachi has regenerative chakra. Totsuka Blitz occurs after the first or second Amaterasu regardless.
OK I'm not going to entertain your idiocy for pages upon pages. Fight starts, Amaterasu is used and occurs far before Kabuto can manifest Tayuya. Skin shedding negs Amaterasu since when lmao? And confirmed? You're reaching for the skies here.. Amaterasu burns Kabuto's body time and time again and Kabuto can do nothing but deplete his chakra while Itachi has regenerative chakra. Totsuka Blitz occurs after the first or second Amaterasu regardless.
Sasuke escaped Amaterasu with skin shedding so cut the bullshit. I'm not going to reply to you anymore if you keep on sprouting baseless claims, especially when manga disagrees with you.
Sasuke escaped Amaterasu with skin shedding so cut the bullshit. I'm not going to reply to you anymore if you keep on sprouting baseless claims, especially when manga disagrees with you.
Are you retarded? He only escaped with it because his main body could pass through the hole in the ceiling. With no place to exit Kabuto will not be countering anything, and don't forget that it takes a tremendous amount of chakra to use. Itachi has regenerative chakra, so he can take advantage of that. And again, he follows up Amaterasu with Totsuka Blitz. Stop ignoring this argument as it shits all over Kabuto.
Even though edos' chakra regenerates, it takes a while. Itachi won't be using Amaterasu time and time again. And since OP said the fight is the same exact thing as canon, it takes place in the cave, where Kabuto takes in chakra at all times. Kabuto will have more chakra in his disposal than Itachi.
If your clones have enough chakra to use a jutsu, then they can use it. Madara had enough chakra to use 25 w/ Wood Clones. Shadow Clones are the same as wood clones except they poof more easily and they aren't as sturdy. Itachi was on death's door and manifested a V4 susanoo. Something with half his chakra would obviously be able to use a Ribcage or even higher unless you think that it takes over half his chakra to pull something like that off, then you'd have to argue that Itachi had over half his chakra when he was 5 seconds away from kicking the bucket.
You are completely ignoring that Madara had Hashirama's DNA in him which was shown to power up Obito's MS technique to the point where he could spam it. It doesnt have to do with how much chakra you have, if Itachi couldnt pull this off when alive as he alone was struggling to keep Susano on himself then he is not doing it as an edo with a clone.
Clones have the ability to use the abilities of their caster, so Itachi's clones using Susanoō has always been indicative or implied; it's more or less a matter of the author showcasing Itachi's abilities, which he did not, hence your question. Madara could have always used a clone to use Susanoō if we assumed he had a clone technique prior to his revival and your question would of when has Itachi ever shown such an ability would be likely applied to Madara as well. Hashirama's genetics or DNA give Madara access to a more vitalized body, Hashirama's techniques, and an increased chakra pool.
KG's argument about why Itachi's clone use Susanoō can be found in the following claim; (spoiler because for general purposes.).
If your clones have enough chakra to use a jutsu, then they can use it.(KG main claim) This is a hypothetical proposition, and the "if" component is the antecedent and the "then" component is the consequent, which is basically used to identify relationships of dependence among things while not asserting the truth of the "if" component or the "then" component; rather they mean that the truth of the "if" component would be sufficient to guarantee the truth of "then" component. The only way the "then" component could fail to be true is for the "then" component to be false as well. Here this means that in order for KG's proposition of to be wrong, the "then" component, that "a clone can use jutsu," has to be wrong. In a broader sense, KG's conclusion, that
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can only be disproved if you argue the opposing claims: that "a clone cannot use jutsu if it has enough chakra" or that "a clone cannot use jutsu."The second counterclaim is false; and it would appear that what you are arguing is the claim: "Itachi's clone cannot use jutsu it has not shown/done before." If this is what you are arguing, than you are arguing for the falseness of Itachi's clone using Susanoō simply because Itachi has never used a clone in this matter before. This type of argument is an argument from ignorance, and the most vital thing to understand in these types of arguments is that lack of evidence for something does not count as sufficient evidence against it. [
@KidGamer I don't want to drag this too much especially on my phone but I'll just drop this topic for now.
@Beans Not sure why I should even believe that first scan is Susanoo being dispelled. When the Aura begins to look like that, you'll have a point. For now, just don't expect me to accept that. As for the Izanami aspect, I don't have the proper means to reply well but whatever.
@FT We speaking on this next week for sure bro ������. Never imagined Itachi winning this fight but we'll see.
The moment he leaves Genjutsu he is caught in it again. And Amaterasu is not happening, unless you suggest that Itachi is faster than the speed of sound. Not to mention, when Itachi breaks out of it Kabuto doesn't have to necessarily be in his line of sight.
Clones have the ability to use the abilities of their caster, so Itachi's clones using Susanoō has always been indicative or implied; it's more or less a matter of the author showcasing Itachi's abilities, which he did not, hence your question. Madara could have always used a clone to use Susanoō if we assumed he had a clone technique prior to his revival and your question would of when has Itachi ever shown such an ability would be likely applied to Madara as well. Hashirama's genetics or DNA give Madara access to a more vitalized body, Hashirama's techniques, and an increased chakra pool.
KG's argument about why Itachi's clone use Susanoō can be found in the following claim; (spoiler because for general purposes.).
If your clones have enough chakra to use a jutsu, then they can use it.(KG main claim) This is a hypothetical proposition, and the "if" component is the antecedent and the "then" component is the consequent, which is basically used to identify relationships of dependence among things while not asserting the truth of the "if" component or the "then" component; rather they mean that the truth of the "if" component would be sufficient to guarantee the truth of "then" component. The only way the "then" component could fail to be true is for the "then" component to be false as well. Here this means that in order for KG's proposition of to be wrong, the "then" component, that "a clone can use jutsu," has to be wrong. In a broader sense, KG's conclusion, that
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can only be disproved if you argue the opposing claims: that "a clone cannot use jutsu if it has enough chakra" or that "a clone cannot use jutsu."The second counterclaim is false; and it would appear that what you are arguing is the claim: "Itachi's clone cannot use jutsu it has not shown/done before." If this is what you are arguing, than you are arguing for the falseness of Itachi's clone using Susanoō simply because Itachi has never used a clone in this matter before. This type of argument is an argument from ignorance, and the most vital thing to understand in these types of arguments is that lack of evidence for something does not count as sufficient evidence against it. [
No clones of any MS user has ever used an MS justu. Only Madara has ever shown clones using an MS justu, he used wood clones and had Hashirama's DNA in him.
I already stated using MS techniques is more than just having chakra. Those techniques come with extreme pain to the body, extreme pain which gets limited since Hashirama's DNA makes the body stronger. With Hashirama's DNA Obito was able to spam Kamui, Danzo was able to speed up the cool down period of KA.
Now if the real body can hardly take this pain then a clone sure as hell cannot. When the real body is shown coughing blood( Itachi and Sasuke) then a clone sure as hell cannot use these techniques.
This doesnt have to do with chakra, its has to do with MS effects on the body.
No clones of any MS user has ever used an MS justu. Only Madara has ever shown clones using an MS justu, he used wood clones and had Hashirama's DNA in him.
I already stated using MS techniques is more than just having chakra. Those techniques come with extreme pain to the body, extreme pain which gets limited since Hashirama's DNA makes the body stronger. With Hashirama's DNA Obito was able to spam Kamui, Danzo was able to speed up the cool down period of KA.
Now if the real body can hardly take this pain then a clone sure as hell cannot. When the real body is shown coughing blood( Itachi and Sasuke) then a clone sure as hell cannot use these techniques.
This doesnt have to do with chakra, its has to do with MS effects on the body.
So you and I are on the same page, what are you arguing? Is it the claim: Itachi's clone cannot use Susanoō because it has not shown/done before;" the broader claim entailing this: no clone has ever used a Mangekyō Sharingan technique," or something else entirely? I am asking so we don't have a misunderstanding.
So you and I are on the same page, what are you arguing? Is it the claim: Itachi's clone cannot use Susanoō because it has not shown/done before;" the broader claim entailing this: no clone has ever used a Mangekyō Sharingan technique," or something else entirely? Again, I am asking so we don't have a misunderstanding.
Thats simply another piece of evidence. But the main argument would be 'This doesnt have to do with chakra, its has to do with MS effects on the body.' Since KG's main argument is simply based around the fact that clones can do things the user can as long as they have chakra.
Thats simply another piece of evidence. But the main argument would be 'This doesnt have to do with chakra, its has to do with MS effects on the body.' Since KG's main argument is simply based around the fact that clones can do things the user can as long as they have chakra.
Cool, cool, I am going to adjust your claim, and feel free to correct it. Can I say your main claim, the conclusion of your argument is;
The distress the Mangekyō Sharingan causes its user wouldn't/doesn't allow them to create a clone [or clones] that can use Mangekyō Sharingan techniques.
Hmm that sounds nice but its more like the clone simply cannot handle the strain from MS techniques. Clones can be created but are they using MS techniques? No.
Hmm that sounds nice but its more like the clone simply cannot handle the strain from MS techniques. Clones can be created but are they using MS techniques? No.
The distress the Mangekyō Sharingan causes its user wouldn't/doesn't allow them to create a clone [or clones] that can use Mangekyō Sharingan techniques.
Again, feel free to correct me; but if this is fine, what reason or reasons do you have for thinking this? (explain this to me as if I've never heard it before.)
