Dumbest Argument.

[Lightbringer]

He wanted to kill hashirama... why the hell would you take the Kyuubi and get yourself partially killed and become wounded just for some cells.. Madara wanted Revenge.

Needed his blood?? something called scams or stealing it from the medics.

Lol because a guy that can regenerate his body and was a master medical ninja needed to store his blood.

As I said we don't know the specifics. Remember how Itachi lost to Sasuke? Does that mean Sasuke was stronger?

Itachi could have just let Sasuke kill him from the beginning and not try at all; he could have told the truth to him but didn't.....it's naruto dude, nothing is ever straightforward so you can't just assume that Hashi won because he was stronger.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol because a guy that can regenerate his body and was a master medical ninja needed to store his blood.

As I said we don't know the specifics. Remember how Itachi lost to Sasuke? Does that mean Sasuke was stronger?

Itachi could have just let Sasuke kill him from the beginning and not try at all; he could have told the truth to him but didn't.....it's naruto dude, nothing is ever straightforward so you can't just assume that Hashi won because he was stronger.

Itachi actually gave up and quit in the end. o-o soo yea.

It is naruto bro, And thats why I'm saying Hashirama won. Cause the series and the villains support it.

 

[Lightbringer]

Itachi actually gave up and quit in the end. o-o soo yea.

It is naruto bro, And thats why I'm saying Hashirama won. Cause the series and the villains support it.

No....you're saying Hashirama was miles better than Madara, cause no where in the manga said that.....it only said he won.

 

[KingHashirama]

No....you're saying Hashirama was miles better than Madara, cause no where in the manga said that.....it only said he won.

Tobi : Strongest ninja of his time

Kabuto : Powers like the SO6P

Kabuto : Best Ninja


Madara: Only person that can stop me


So by saying Madara was on hashirama's level back then is basically saying Madara didn't improve much.

 

[Lightbringer]

Tobi : Strongest ninja of his time

Kabuto : Powers like the SO6P

Kabuto : Best Ninja


Madara: Only person that can stop me


So by saying Madara was on hashirama's level back then is basically saying Madara didn't improve much.

Kabuto also said that he was the closest thing to the SO6P and would defeat Itachi/sasuke lol

Madara and Hashi were near equals during the EMS madara time. They battled many times and both lived. If either of them were stronger by miles long, then there wouldn't be a reason for Senju to come to the Uchiha and offer a peace treaty because they were tired of fighting each other.

If hashi was that much more powerful than madara, then he and his senju clan would have wiped out the uchiha easily....but couldn't

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

it will never stop man, when the manga is clear about something like a character himself say that he can't win against another, some people somehow will still say something different. crazy i know :sy: but i guess the people who do this know more of the characters than kishi who wrote them (being sarcastic) happens all the time in different fights they will keep saying crazy stuff

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Kabuto also said that he was the closest thing to the SO6P and would defeat Itachi/sasuke lol

Madara and Hashi were near equals during the EMS madara time. They battled many times and both lived. If either of them were stronger by miles long, then there wouldn't be a reason for Senju to come to the Uchiha and offer a peace treaty because they were tired of fighting each other.

If hashi was that much more powerful than madara, then he and his senju clan would have wiped out the uchiha easily....but couldn't

it can also mean that they resolved to a peaceful way to end the war between them (remember hashi was the leader and he is not like danzo, danzo said that about him before). madara brought the kyubi to the fight and still lost (coz he knew of the gap between them) and even if hashi has the special ability to suppress biju's, the fact that he stood his ground in that situation and won says it all U_U

 

[Lightbringer]

it can also mean that they resolved to a peaceful way to end the war between them (remember hashi was the leader and he is not like danzo, danzo said that about him before). madara brought the kyubi to the fight and still lost (coz he knew of the gap between them) and even if hashi has the special ability to suppress biju's, the fact that he stood his ground in that situation and won says it all U_U

I'm not arguing that he didn't lose, I'm arguing that they were near equals and not levels apart as Kinghashirmama here is trying to say.

Though even in that battle, I'd wager that he most likely didn't obtain susanoo just yet. 1 bijuu is acceptable, but 2 bijuu powered enemies would be pretty unrealistic for Hashi to handle at the same time, considering he died in a fodder war and also feared the Kyuubi's power enough to seal it within his own wife.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I'm not arguing that he didn't lose, I'm arguing that they were near equals and not levels apart as Kinghashirmama here is trying to say.

Though even in that battle, I'd wager that he most likely didn't obtain susanoo just yet. 1 bijuu is acceptable, but 2 bijuu powered enemies would be pretty unrealistic for Hashi to handle at the same time, considering he died in a fodder war and also feared the Kyuubi's power enough to seal it within his own wife.

bro judging by your avatar i assume that you like madara witch is cool, am not biased to any side, but you have to take to account everything that happened and everything that have been said not just what would support you character. madara brought the the kyubi on his side and faced hashi (there is a video of the fight from ultimate ninja storm generation video-game), so madara is aware of the gap between him and hashi otherwise he wouldn't have brought the kyubi to the fight, and then there was what madara said and he he acknowledged and admired hashi's power (even in his edo state) this all can speek of the gap between them, right ?? on a power list hashi comes first then ems madara and i don't think people should put any edo character in there. edo characters are not the real thing

 

[Lightbringer]

bro judging by your avatar i assume that you like madara witch is cool, am not biased to any side, but you have to take to account everything that happened and everything that have been said not just what would support you character. madara brought the the kyubi on his side and faced hashi (there is a video of the fight from ultimate ninja storm generation video-game), so madara is aware of the gap between him and hashi otherwise he wouldn't have brought the kyubi to the fight, and then there was what madara said and he he acknowledged and admired hashi's power (even in his edo state) this all can speek of the gap between them, right ?? on a power list hashi comes first then ems madara and i don't think people should put any edo character in there. edo characters are not the real thing

I'm not being a fanboy though unlike the guy who started the thread. I told you I agree that madara most likely lost, just not by much. That's not a far-fetched assumption.

The video of the battle from naruto generations doesn't prove anything for 2 reasons.

1. It was tobi telling the past to sasuke; it was his version of what happened....and as we know, tobi lied on several accounts. I believe he even told sasuke that the Kyuubi attack on konoha was a freak accident.

2. kishi had nothing to do with that video, hence it's not 100% cannon.

as my closing argument, as I keep saying; until we see what really happened in the manga, all we can do is speculate. I like madara, i'll admit, but I don't go off making threads about him and praising his power and I try not to be biased either.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I'm not being a fanboy though unlike the guy who started the thread. I told you I agree that madara most likely lost, just not by much. That's not a far-fetched assumption.

The video of the battle from naruto generations doesn't prove anything for 2 reasons.

1. It was tobi telling the past to sasuke; it was his version of what happened....and as we know, tobi lied on several accounts. I believe he even told sasuke that the Kyuubi attack on konoha was a freak accident.

2. kishi had nothing to do with that video, hence it's not 100% cannon.

wow xd, dude i never said your a fanboy chill, i actually answered your post coz you seem logical (opposite of a fanboy) . i mentioned the video so you can see the way hashi handled the fight so he wasn't cornered or anything in a situation no other shinobi could have even survived and he WON, and it also didn't show the full fight so you can't talk about the perfect susanoo you know ..... , and about what you said about kishi, nothing can have the NARUTO label with out kishs's approval so if he thought something was wrong about the video it would never have been released. argument is about how much stronger hashi is i understand, but from what i have seen i think its bigger than you say. and the thread maker is no fanboy believe me read his thread well and get his point

 

[Lightbringer]

wow xd, dude i never said your a fanboy chill, i actually answered your post coz you seem logical (opposite of a fanboy) . i mentioned the video so you can see the way hashi handled the fight so he wasn't cornered or anything in a situation no other shinobi could have even survived and he WON, and it also didn't show the full fight so you can't talk about the perfect susanoo you know ..... , and about what you said about kishi, nothing can have the NARUTO label with out kishs's approval so if he thought something was wrong about the video it would never have been released. argument is about how much stronger hashi is i understand, but from what i have seen i think its bigger than you say. and the thread maker is no fanboy believe me read his thread well and get his point

he made 2 threads about hashirama overpowering madara within minutes of each other.

Kishi doesn't have control of what's put into a videogame....he just writes the story for the manga. Hence why fillers exist in the anime.

Regardless, I did also say how that video was only Tobi's interpretation of what happened and not actually what really happened right? Tobi likes to lie, so lets take that into account also.

I said madara prob didn't awaken susanoo at the time considering he lived after the battle and still had time to develop it; considering that Hashirama died in a fodder war; also considering hashirama feared the power of the kyuubi enough to seal it within his own wife.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have taken that drastic measure if the kyuubi was an easy foe on it's own. Now because of that we assume that means he had a very very hard time fighting against the kyuubi. Now....is it logical that he would have still won if the perfect susanoo was there also, since it's power rivals a bijuu.

It sliced through mountains, which mean it can easily slice through wood. 2 nuclear powered beasts against a man who died fighting in a regular war....that's contradictory

 

[looking 4 name]

hashirama was stronger than madara back then

but now madara > entire narutoverse..

 

[Uchiha seeker]

dude what u said is like i fought this guy in school who tried to beat up my friends... i beat him up but didnt kill him:|

 

[AmaniPaz]

Madara is now greater.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

he made 2 threads about hashirama overpowering madara within minutes of each other.

Kishi doesn't have control of what's put into a videogame....he just writes the story for the manga. Hence why fillers exist in the anime.

Regardless, I did also say how that video was only Tobi's interpretation of what happened and not actually what really happened right? Tobi likes to lie, so lets take that into account also.

I said madara prob didn't awaken susanoo at the time considering he lived after the battle and still had time to develop it; considering that Hashirama died in a fodder war; also considering hashirama feared the power of the kyuubi enough to seal it within his own wife.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have taken that drastic measure if the kyuubi was an easy foe on it's own. Now because of that we assume that means he had a very very hard time fighting against the kyuubi. Now....is it logical that he would have still won if the perfect susanoo was there also, since it's power rivals a bijuu.

It sliced through mountains, which mean it can easily slice through wood. 2 nuclear powered beasts against a man who died fighting in a regular war....that's contradictory

ok, you have some valid points, but like i said no game filler or what ever can contradict what kishi wrote U_U you should understand that. and the only thing tobi lied about was his identity (for a reason) and he had no reason to lie about something that is considered a legendary historical fight, so when you take what tobi said and what madara said after he was revived you should understand how strong hashirama is. in the video hashi stopped a bijudama so what makes you think he doesn't have a way to stop or evade a perfect susanoo attack (its not ordinary wood), and like i said hashi didn't seem corned actually it seem like the opposite and madara looked like he was amazed of how hashi stopped the kyubi and handled the fight. anything that has the naruto label is the same manga, anime or video-game and you can't ignore any of them U_U and you don't know exactly how hashi died, no character in the series can face an army alone and win he was one man you know .....

 

[Lightbringer]

ok, you have some valid points, but like i said no game filler or what ever can contradict what kishi wrote U_U you should understand that. and the only thing tobi lied about was his identity (for a reason) and he had no reason to lie about something that is considered a legendary historical fight, so when you take what tobi said and what madara said after he was revived you should understand how strong hashirama is. in the video hashi stopped a bijudama so what makes you think he doesn't have a way to stop or evade a perfect susanoo attack (its not ordinary wood), and like i said hashi didn't seem corned actually it seem like the opposite and madara looked like he was amazed of how hashi stopped the kyubi and handled the fight. anything that has the naruto label is the same manga, anime or video-game and you can't ignore any of them U_U

Tobi lied about the kyuubi attack being a freak accident and possibly lied about Izuna willingly giving his eyes up. He was feeding sasuke a sob story to join his side and hate konoha.

If he said, i battled hashi for his dna so that I can perform the moon's eye plan, wouldn't really do it for sasuke now would it?

madara is praising his abilities, but I don't belief he admitted to kabuto or ever said himself that he lost to hashirama.

I'm only arguing because nothing is straightforward in naruto, and all these are plausible outcomes. When someone says hashi is absolutely positively stronger than madara, I say my side because we just don't have enough info atm. All it is speculation.

and whatever you're arguing is just as much fact as what I'm arguing.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Tobi lied about the kyuubi attack being a freak accident and possibly lied about Izuna willingly giving his eyes up. He was feeding sasuke a sob story to join his side and hate konoha.

If he said, i battled hashi for his dna so that I can perform the moon's eye plan, wouldn't really do it for sasuke now would it?

madara is praising his abilities, but I don't belief he admitted to kabuto or ever said himself that he lost to hashirama.

I'm only arguing because nothing is straightforward in naruto, and all these are plausible outcomes. When someone says hashi is absolutely positively stronger than madara, I say my side because we just don't have enough info atm. All it is speculation.

and whatever you're arguing is just as much fact as what I'm arguing.

your right tobi lied alot, but the fight between hashi and madara is cleared coz of what madara himself said after he was revived. anyways its cool man lets agree to disagree ok xd

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

EMS Madara < Hashirama

(Not Edo)Rinnegan Madara >=Hashirama

 

[Lightbringer]

your right tobi lied alot, but the fight between hashi and madara is cleared coz of what madara himself said after he was revived. anyways its cool man lets agree to disagree ok xd

what did he say(seriously he said alot lol) but regardless....i'm repeating myself again lol but I'm not saying that Hashi didn't win. I'm saying they were near the same level as each other and speculating that madara didn't have susanoo from my past points.

I've disproven the video, so all it is, is assumption from logical standpoints. But yes let's agree to disagree lol

But I honestly hate vs threads, especially ones that serve no purpose. I can understand bringing up a fight that never happened because is fanfiction. Though when someone like kinghashi brings up madara vs hashi, and says its fact that hashi was>>>>>than madara....it's fanboism. because we don't for sure and we already know that madara lost most likely. Hence there is no need to keep bringing it up.

it just grinds my gears lol