DSM Kabuto & Current KM naruto vs EMS sasuke & Minato

[Brother Numpsay]

Not at all, I've opted out of any flame wars/debating. I'm just here as a spectator, and I'm eagerly awaiting your counter to KG.

Continuing in this thread will add more off topic post, which I have stated in my previous post.

 

[Booker]

Continuing in this thread will add more off topic post, which I have stated in my previous post.

Tell you what, I'll make a Manda II vs Perfect Susano'o thread just for you k?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Tell you what, I'll make a Manda II vs Perfect Susano'o thread just for you k?

Then that would defeat the whole purpose of my premise. Since my post was never to claim Manda II being superior. But can use as support for Kabuto to Sound Genjutsu gg the user.

 

[Booker]

Then that would defeat the whole purpose of my premise. Since my post was never to claim Manda II being superior. But can use as support for Kabuto to Sound Genjutsu gg the user.

You make no sense.

How can Manda II support and restrict Perfect Susano'o if it is not stronge than it??

If it loses to PS, it loses to PS. End of story. You can't say "Manda II restricts PS, but would also lose to it"

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You make no sense.

How can Manda II support and restrict Perfect Susano'o if it is not stronge than it??

If it loses to PS, it loses to PS. End of story. You can't say "Manda II restricts PS, but would also lose to it"

With that same logic. Can Wood God and Dragon have PS durability? Can these Wood Release create shockwaves by a swing. Is Wood God and Dragon as destructive as PS, like destroy mountains?.

 

[Booker]

With that same logic. Can Wood God and Dragon have PS durability? Can these Wood Release create shockwaves by a swing. Is Wood God and Dragon as destructive as PS, like destroy mountains?.

You're using a straw man fallacy. That doesn't work here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You're using a straw man fallacy. That doesn't work here.

My example is exactly what you are going.

 

[Nattana]

Cause PS is going to sit there and watch as Manda II with its nonexistent strength feats, restrains Perfect Susanoo's arms? lmao, no. It tries this and it gets bisected, simple as that.

Bisected with Susanoos' arms restricted so it cannot even move them? Cool.

-Manda II never showed the capacity to lift island weight either so you have no point here. Wrapping around Turtle Island=/=Lifting it up.

Lol.
Manda 2, with help from Deidara's bomb managed to flip the whole island. Look how it got on it, grasped with its claws and brought it down. Not this isn't a strength feat? Seriously? With, how you called it, small claws?

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Wrapping around Island Turtle and squeezing it with its body doesn't mean it'll do the same to Susanoo, which is stronger than the Island Turtle. Whether Mokuryu or PS can do that is irrelevant here.

How do you even know if the Island is weaker or stronger, more or less durable than Susanoo? Pure assumptions.

Manda II has hands, this I know, but its hands are too small to be relevant here.

Lol, irrelevant? These hands you call small are big enough to constrict Susanoo, to simply grab him in the waist.

-Manda isn't reaching PS's height before it gets cut down.

-Manda isn't reaching PS's height as it can't stand at its full height to begin with, it needs its lower body to support it.

Manda II gets raped. No difficulty.

Lol. Another ignorant forgetting about the fact that Manda 2 is almost 30 times (or even more) bigger than PS.
Manda 2 has hands, but also has freakin' legs.

-Can't hurt PS.
-Can't stop its attacks.

PS attacks would simply get blocked. The sword is so small compared to Manda 2 it's not even funny.
And cannot hurt PS? Seriously? Manda 2 is so heavy and it moves at such speed, that its simple body slam would be devastating. Not to mention its squeezing power.
Not to mention, Manda could simply grab Susanoo and enable Kabuto to set up anything: Temple of Nirvana, Sound Genjutsu, etc.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bisected with Susanoos' arms restricted so it cannot even move them? Cool

lmao, no. It tries this and it gets bisected, simple as that.

Read and then reply fapboy.

Lol.
Manda 2, with help from Deidara's bomb managed to flip the whole island. Look how it got on it, grasped with its claws and brought it down. Not this isn't a strength feat? Seriously? With, how you called it, small claws?

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Still didn't lift it, it flipped it over, and it needing help to do that shits on your whole point. Cause that isn't a feat for Manda II, its a feat for Manda II with support from a bomb...lmao.

It didn't bring down shit with its hands, it used his body to flip it over along with its hands.

How do you even know if the Island is weaker or stronger, more or less durable than Susanoo? Pure assumptions.

No feats pal. No feats at all that put Turtle Island on Susanoo's level physically.

Lol, irrelevant? These hands you call small are big enough to constrict Susanoo, to simply grab him in the waist.

Uh, no they aren't.

Lol. Another ignorant forgetting about the fact that Manda 2 is almost 30 times (or even more) bigger than PS.
Manda 2 has hands, but also has freakin' legs.

I don't care. Those Mountains were much bigger than Susanoo but guess what? They got bisected.

PS attacks would simply get blocked. The sword is so small compared to Manda 2 it's not even funny.
And cannot hurt PS? Seriously? Manda 2 is so heavy and it moves at such speed, that its simple body slam would be devastating. Not to mention its squeezing power.
Not to mention, Manda could simply grab Susanoo and enable Kabuto to set up anything: Temple of Nirvana, Sound Genjutsu, etc.

Durability feats that say Manda II can block its attacks? Oh wait, none. Manda II gets chopped in half by an Enton Blade wielded by Perfect Susanoo.

Destructive Capacity feats that put it above Bijuu Dama let alone Chojo Kebutsu? Oh wait, none. Susanoo tanks all its attacks.

Squeezing power feats? Oh wait, none, it squeezed turtle island with its body.

Manda isn't grabbing shit. All you fanboys are doing it claiming that Manda will do this shit, while Sasuke simply sits there and watches, lmao dafuq? gtfo if you believe that is happening. Kabuto isn't setting up shit, he dies alone with Manda II if he tries to face Sasuke.

Temple of Nirvana? Oh wait I remember, the same Genjutsu that Part 1 Sakura broke even when Kabuto had help using it....lmao...stfu.


Shitty post is shitty.

 

[KidGamer65]

With that same logic. Can Wood God and Dragon have PS durability? Can these Wood Release create shockwaves by a swing. Is Wood God and Dragon as destructive as PS, like destroy mountains?.

If Mokujin can hold back PS's swing and physically clash with it, then its on par with it physically, that is an undeniable fact. Being on par physically has nothing to do with Durability either so again, moot point.

-Does it have a sword? No, so your whole little comparison is obviously rendered moot.

His logic is correct, your's isn't. You aren't going to restrain something stronger than you are, does that make any sense? Obviously not. Can a 10 yr old restrain a bodybuilder? Lol No.

 

[Nattana]

Still didn't lift it, it flipped it over, and it needing help to do that shits on your whole point. Cause that isn't a feat for Manda II, its a feat for Manda II with support from a bomb...lmao.

It didn't bring down shit with its hands, it used his body to flip it over along with its hands.

Yeah, it needed a help from a bomb to bring down something times bigger than itself. Susanoo is 100+ times smalles than that Island so your argument is shti.

No feats pal. No feats at all that put Turtle Island on Susanoo's level physically.

Your assumptions. That's all.

Uh, no they aren't.

Uh, they are? Do the math before posting shti.

I don't care. Those Mountains were much bigger than Susanoo but guess what? They got bisected.

Uh, giving Sasuke Madara's feats? Cool. It's like saying Kurotsuchi and Mei both have the same Lava Release juts just becaue they both can use it.
And Manda could simply dodge that with its speed or simply engage Susanoo not to let it even swing its sword.
Or Kabuto could simply resummon Manda to make it avoid the shockwave.
So many possibilities.

Durability feats that say Manda II can block its attacks? Oh wait, none. Manda II gets chopped in half by an Enton Blade wielded by Perfect Susanoo.

Chopped in half by Enton Blade? That blade compared to Manda 2's size is like an ant. It's not big enough to even make a deep wound and you're talking about chopping in half. Ridiculous.

Squeezing power feats? Oh wait, none, it squeezed turtle island with its body.

Lol. It made the island scream with pain. Now I guess you don't know that when the size of the victim is smalles, the pressure is proportionally greater -> greater squeezing force. Susanoo being 100+ times smaller than the Island should give you a vision of the power Manda 2 can squeeze with.

Manda isn't grabbing shit. All you fanboys are doing it claiming that Manda will do this shit, while Sasuke simply sits there and watches, lmao dafuq? gtfo if you believe that is happening. Kabuto isn't setting up shit, he dies alone with Manda II if he tries to face Sasuke.

It can grab him it wants to. You cannot deny the difference in size, Manda 2's hand could easily grab Susanoo in its waist.
You still fail to understand that Manda 2 to Susanoo is what Susanoo was to the Kage, size wise. It's an ant!

Temple of Nirvana? Oh wait I remember, the same Genjutsu that Part 1 Sakura broke even when Kabuto had help using it....lmao...stfu.

Oh wait, I don't remember Sasuke escaping that, I don't remember Sasuke breking out of Sound Genjutsu or White Rage.
Same goes for many more techniques in Kabuto's arsenal.

Your post was laughable.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, it needed a help from a bomb to bring down something times bigger than itself. Susanoo is 100+ times smalles than that Island so your argument is shti.

Irrelevant, Susanoo is much stronger. You have failed to provide any kind of evidence here. Cry about my argument harder pal.

Your assumptions. That's all.

Its my assumption that there are no feats? lmao, then go show me these feats.

Uh, they are? Do the math before posting shti.

I'm not seeing proof. You saying they are big enough to grab Susanoo by the waist (Even though manga scans disagree) isn't an argument

Uh, giving Sasuke Madara's feats? Cool.
And Manda could simply dodge that with its speed or simply engage Susanoo not to let it even swing its sword.
Or Kabuto could simply resummon Manda to make it avoid the shockwave.
So many possibilities.

PS is PS. There is a negligible difference between every Susanoo user's Susanoo.

Manda II has zero notable speed feats that let me believe its going to engage Susanoo before it can react or evade its sword swing. Try again pal.

So, he's going to re summon Manda II to the same place he is already at? lmao, the logic is strong with this one.

More bullshit.

Chopped in half by Enton Blade? That blade compared to Manda 2's size is like an ant. It's not big enough to even make a deep wound and you're talking about chopping in half. Ridiculous.

Irrelevant. Those Mountains were much smaller than PS's blade but still got cut in half. Please get out of here with this bullshit.

Lol. It made the island scream with pain. Now I guess you don't know that when the size of the victim is smalles, the pressure is proportionally greater -> greater squeezing force. Susanoo being 100+ times smaller than the Island should give you a vision of the power Manda 2 can squeeze with.

Turtle Island=/=>Susanoo. Susanoo>Turtle Island when it comes to durability, the force being greater than it was on turtle island is irrelevant, and 100+ times smaller is nothing but a gross exaggeration. Come back with actual facts instead of made up bullshit.

It can grab him it wants to. You cannot deny the difference in size, Manda 2's hand could easily grab Susanoo in its waist.

I'm seeing no proof here.

Is it bigger? Yes.

Big enough for the hand to grab Susanoo? Not seeing any proof.

You still fail to understand that Manda 2 to Susanoo is what Susanoo was to the Kage, size wise. It's an ant!

Bring me some proof or scans before fapping to Manda II.

Oh wait, I don't remember Sasuke escaping that, I don't remember Sasuke breking out of Sound Genjutsu or White Rage.
Same goes for many more techniques in Kabuto's arsenal.

Part I Sakura<<<<<<<<<Current Sasuke when it comes to breaking free of Genjutsu..so yeah, irrelevant.

White Rage and Sound Genjutsu is all irrelevant when Sasuke is at the top of Perfect Susanoo, his technique isn't going to reach that high.

Your post was laughable.

Again, shitty post is shitty.

 

[Nattana]

Bring me some proof or scans before fapping to Manda II.

Look at my post on the previous page, kid. I did some calculations according to their size and they still were not really precise. I didn't have that much time but if you do, do some pixel comparing and you will see that what I'm talking about is probably even less of a size difference that it is in reality.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If Mokujin can hold back PS's swing and physically clash with it, then its on par with it physically, that is an undeniable fact.

-Great, except Mokujin can't clash with PS. (Clash and Colliding=/=Parry). Can a women overpower her beating husband, if she predicts it coming? Sussanoo has stronger attributes then Mokuton. And can easy slash through Mokujin like butter, period. The power comes from the blade, as shown in the manga. Parry the swing and it won't be as effective. You can still see shockwaves coming from the sword even when Harashimara attempt to parry it[

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Being on par physically has nothing to do with Durability either so again, moot point.

Except they are not on par physically. Which brings my point that making a comparison of their attributes doesn't conclude one overpowering the other. So again point stands.

-Does it have a sword? No, so your whole little comparison is obviously rendered moot.

No, that was exactly my point. "Making comparisons of their attributes does not conclude one defeating the other"

His logic is correct, your's isn't. You aren't going to restrain something stronger than you are, does that make any sense? Obviously not.

His logic is incorrect because PS attributes outshines Mokuton and yet Mokuton can still be use to parry PS attacks. You cannot do the same thing to Manda II, because it outshines it in feats, but ignore the logical conclusion of what Manda II can be capable of.

Can a 10 yr old restrain a bodybuilder? Lol No.

Whos the 10 year old in your example and whos the bodybuilder.

 

[KidGamer65]

-Great, except Mokujin can't clash with PS. (Clash and Colliding=/=Parry). Can a women overpower her beating husband, if she predicts it coming? Sussanoo has stronger attributes then Mokuton. And can easy slash through Mokujin like butter, period. The power comes from the blade, as shown in the manga. Parry the swing and it won't be as effective. You can still see shockwaves coming from the sword even when Harashimara attempt to parry it[

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There are scans of it combating Perfect Susanoo, so no, you are completely wrong here.

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Perfect Susanoo and Mokujin fought to a stalemate, so its on par with Susanoo physically, does that include the blade? Obviously not, but that doesn't change the fact it fought and clashed multiple times against, many more times than the scans show unless you think they stood there the whole battle.

Can slash through Mokujin like butter? Please come back when your nonsense is supported by manga. [

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] PS swung its blade but I still don't see it being cut through like butter.

If the woman is strong enough then she can overpower him.

Except they are not on par physically. Which brings my point that making a comparison of their attributes doesn't conclude one overpowering the other. So again point stands.

Nope, they are. So you have no point.

No, that was exactly my point. "Making comparisons of their attributes does not conclude one defeating the other"

No, that's exactly how a defeat is concluded.

His logic is incorrect because PS attributes outshines Mokuton and yet Mokuton can still be use to parry PS attacks. You cannot do the same thing to Manda II, because it outshines it in feats, but ignore the logical conclusion of what Manda II can be capable of.

lmao, what?

-Mokujin doesn't need to be as durable as Perfect Susanoo to fight it equally, so mentioning its superior durability has no value to your argument.

-Manga scans already show its physically (strength wise) on par with Perfect Susanoo and able to fight on par with it for an extended period of time, (whether you want to accept it or not doesn't change that fact) otherwise the latter would have overpowered it with ease.

Strength is the main reason Manda II can't do shit to PS and Durability is the main reason it can't hurt it.

Whos the 10 year old in your example and whos the bodybuilder.

I'll post images to bring my point across.

A short bodybuilder, but a 10 yr old who is bigger than him, who in the world do you think will restrain who here? lmao.

Look at my post on the previous page, kid. I did some calculations according to their size and they still were not really precise. I didn't have that much time but if you do, do some pixel comparing and you will see that what I'm talking about is probably even less of a size difference that it is in reality.

Your "calcs" are garbage.

-You use a V3 Susanoo instead of Perfect Susanoo.

-You make up numbers like 900 times bigger than Kabuto, 13500 times bigger than Kabuto. lmao dafuq?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

There are scans of it combating Perfect Susanoo, so no, you are completely wrong here.

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Perfect Susanoo and Mokujin fought to a stalemate, so its on par with Susanoo physically, does that include the blade? Obviously not, but that doesn't change the fact it fought and clashed multiple times against, many more times than the scans show unless you think they stood there the whole battle.

Look at that scan there is no clashing. What Harashima is doing is parrying to avoid its cut. When they have fought Harashima was always shown to parry it's attack until he used his Sage Art to hopefully defeat it.

Can slash through Mokujin like butter? Please come back when your nonsense is supported by manga. [

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] PS swung its blade but I still don't see it being cut through like butter.

If the woman is strong enough then she can overpower him.

Thats because the attack didn't cut through its wood... Look at the alignment of the shockwave the sword swung... Go ahead to draw the line of the shockwave, it completely loops, almost hitting the SA.

A Woman is still much more fragile then a man. She doesn't have to overpower the man to stop his beating.

Nope, they are. So you have no point.

I have yet to see

No, that's exactly how a defeat is concluded.

PS attributes compare to Mokuton is much better yet they stalemate so we can't conclude its defeat

lmao, what?

-Mokujin doesn't need to be as durable as Perfect Susanoo to fight it equally, so mentioning its superior durability has no value to your argument.

-Manga scans already show its physically (strength wise) on par with Perfect Susanoo and able to fight on par with it for an extended period of time, (whether you want to accept it or not doesn't change that fact) otherwise the latter would have overpowered it with ease.

Strength is the main reason Manda II can't do shit to PS and Durability is the main reason it can't hurt it.

@Bold my point I was trying to reach.

-Manga did not show it is on par in strength. Mokuton can not slice through mountains with a single swing. But what it can do, like a woman, predict the force of the swing to stop the blow before it becomes too strong for her.

I'll post images to bring my point across.

A short bodybuilder, but a 10 yr old who is bigger than him, who in the world do you think will restrain who here? lmao.

Are you laughing because you aren't making an unfair analogy? Manda II is simply a giant baby too you. Which at this point concludes my points here.

 

[KidGamer65]

Look at that scan there is no clashing. What Harashima is doing is parrying to avoid its cut. When they have fought Harashima was always shown to parry it's attack until he used his Sage Art to hopefully defeat it.

I posted two scans, this one shows him blocking its attack, not parrying its attack. This isn't parrying.

Thats because the attack didn't cut through its wood... Look at the alignment of the shockwave the sword swung... Go ahead to draw the line of the shockwave, it completely loops, almost hitting the SA.

No, it was targeted towards Hashirama as Hashirama is the one who he is fighting. The alliance is nowhere near the are they are fighting in.

A Woman is still much more fragile then a man. She doesn't have to overpower the man to stop his beating.

No, she definitely does or she has to escape. One way or another.

I have yet to see

Manga shows them fighting to a stalemate until they were both destroyed by Bijuu Dama. Tell me oh smart one. If PS was above Mokujin in terms of strength then why were they fighting to a stalemate?

PS attributes compare to Mokuton is much better yet they stalemate so we can't conclude its defeat

PS and Mokujin's combat strength=Shown to be on par, that's all that matters in the fighting category.

Tanking category? Mokujin loses but does that stop it from fighting on par with PS? No.

@Bold my point I was trying to reach.

-Manga did not show it is on par in strength. Mokuton can not slice through mountains with a single swing. But what it can do, like a woman, predict the force of the swing to stop the blow before it becomes too strong for her.

Lmao, Mokuton can't slice cause it has no damn sword. Nice comparison you have there pal. Scans show them clashing, blocking each other's hits, and fighting down to a stalemate. Your nonsense interpretations of facts shown in the manga doesn't mean anything here.

The bold makes no sense whatsoever. The blow doesn't increase in power as it comes at her, the fist comes with a certain amount of force and if she is too weak to block it, she gets hit. Simple as that.

Are you laughing because you aren't making an unfair analogy? Manda II is simply a giant baby too you. Which at this point concludes my points here.

My analogy isn't unfair. Manda II may be larger but it gets shitted on by PS in physical strength and in durability. You have no points nor do you even have a legit argument.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Naruto solos with Kyuubi Modō alone with the restrictions you've put on Sasuke and Minato. The addition of Kabuto is to much.

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