If you were to have doflamingo and luffy fight 1v1 with no help or interruptions while both are at full health, Mingo takes it because of his durability. G4 is strong and he was able to overpower mingo with it the first time around, but he ran out of time and needed others to hold mingo off while he recovered his haki. Mingo was still chasing luffy even after gamma knife and g4(law and luffy's last resorts) were not enough to finish him off. Luffy had to go back into g4 again just to finish mingo off. Again, g4 is stronger than mingo, but because of the time limit and mingo's durability, mingo would be able to outlast luffy in a fight.During the final fight luffy was also severely weekend, had very little haki left, and took hell of attacks from doffy. I'm not ignoring the fact that luffy had help, but at the end of the day when it was strongest technique vs strongest technique luffy easily overpowered doflamingo while himself being weakened.
Maybe I'm wrong for believing this but if luffy and doffy was both at full strength and luffy and straight G4 and hit doffy with his strongest attack, even if doffy tried to defend or counter with his own attack luffy's strength still overpowers him and puts him down.
That why I'm confused, because regardless of what happend through out the arc when you line them up one and one and they go all out, it's clear that luffy was far stronger. I mean luffy knew for a fact after the first G4 that he could put doffy down with one attack and he was right, because he realized doffy wasn't superior to him in strength.
But if I'm wrong please explain, so I can understand everyone else's view of the power differences
Well, this can't be answered easily. The fight between Luffy and Doffy was messy. I mean interference, you have Bellamy here, Trebol there and Law over there.What does doffy have that would put luffy down.. We saw him bombard luffy with multiple attacks but luffy got up from it. Even parasite didn't work.
I'm seriously just trying to get an understanding, because it seems everyone else must know something that I don't.
Doflamingo is above luffy. Luffy can only fight on doffys level for like 40 minutes. Dofly still had energy after the initial G4 ended, the only reason Luffy is alive is because of interference during his post G4 recovery time... And placing Luffy above Dofly based off of a single attack isn't really saying much considering dofly went heads up against it when he could of chose to side step it or use a clone in his place. That's like saying Crocodile>Zoro because Croc has a single attack that can instantly drain all of the fluid in your body... If this is the case then you could easily argue that Dofly could simply made a smaller birdcage that would of killed luffy before he could of recovered from G4. The irony of actually underestimating SH's and arrogance led to his downfall... Still Dofly is simply more versatile, has more diverse moves and greater stamina.I swear I don't understand why people still are ranking do flamingo over luffy. At what point do you realize luffy is stronger than doffy. The final fight clearly showed luffy's strongest attack not only shattering doffy strongest ATTACK and DEFENSE but it also layed him out cold. What am I missing?
Can we say that Luffy can defeat Doffy in a fair fight IF Luffy made the right choices for his attacks? Like Gattling Gun in G4 form? That attack alone would deliver much pain and damage than the rest of attacks such as Bazooka and King Kong Gun.Doflamingo is above luffy. Luffy can only fight on doffys level for like 40 minutes. Dofly still had energy after the initial G4 ended, the only reason Luffy is alive is because of interference during his post G4 recovery time... And placing Luffy above Dofly based off of a single attack isn't really saying much considering dofly went heads up against it when he could of chose to side step it or use a clone in his place. That's like saying Crocodile>Zoro because Croc has a single attack that can instantly drain all of the fluid in your body... If this is the case then you could easily argue that Dofly could simply made a smaller birdcage that would of killed luffy before he could of recovered from G4. The irony of actually underestimating SH's and arrogance led to his downfall... Still Dofly is simply more versatile, has more diverse moves and greater stamina.
The only reason the battle wasn't over after the first G4 is because luffy didn't use king Kong gun. Luffy was extremely confident that one KKG would defeat doffy. The times limit has nothing to do with it since luffy could have ended the battle the first time if he would have used KKG instead of Leo Bazooka.If you were to have doflamingo and luffy fight 1v1 with no help or interruptions while both are at full health, Mingo takes it because of his durability. G4 is strong and he was able to overpower mingo with it the first time around, but he ran out of time and needed others to hold mingo off while he recovered his haki. Mingo was still chasing luffy even after gamma knife and g4(law and luffy's last resorts) were not enough to finish him off. Luffy had to go back into g4 again just to finish mingo off. Again, g4 is stronger than mingo, but because of the time limit and mingo's durability, mingo would be able to outlast luffy in a fight.
The only reason Doffy sirvived the first G4 was because luffy didnt use king kong gun immediately after double calverin, but instead chose the weaker Leo Bazooka which greatly damaged doffy but not ko.Doflamingo is above luffy. Luffy can only fight on doffys level for like 40 minutes. Dofly still had energy after the initial G4 ended, the only reason Luffy is alive is because of interference during his post G4 recovery time... And placing Luffy above Dofly based off of a single attack isn't really saying much considering dofly went heads up against it when he could of chose to side step it or use a clone in his place. That's like saying Crocodile>Zoro because Croc has a single attack that can instantly drain all of the fluid in your body... If this is the case then you could easily argue that Dofly could simply made a smaller birdcage that would of killed luffy before he could of recovered from G4. The irony of actually underestimating SH's and arrogance led to his downfall... Still Dofly is simply more versatile, has more diverse moves and greater stamina.
Pretty sure almost no one believes Crocodile can beat current Zoro.The only reason the battle wasn't over after the first G4 is because luffy didn't use king Kong gun. Luffy was extremely confident that one KKG would defeat doffy. The times limit has nothing to do with it since luffy could have ended the battle the first time if he would have used KKG instead of Leo Bazooka.
G4 was more than enough to Bring doffy down in my opinion.
The only reason Doffy sirvived the first G4 was because luffy didnt use king kong gun immediately after double calverin, but instead chose the weaker Leo Bazooka which greatly damaged doffy but not ko.
The crocodile and zoro example is a debate in itself, as some do already believe crocodile is stronger than zoro. I'm suggesting that there would not have even been a second round if luffy wouldn't have held back in the beginning and taken doffy down with KKG instead of using Leo bazooka
Swap Zoro and Burgess and replace Kyros with Don Sai then you're good, OP.Id' place Doffy and Sabo same spot. Burgess 1 down and Zoro one up
1. Fujitora
2. Doflamingo/Sabo
3. Burgess
4. Law/Luffy
5. Zoro
Don't really feel like going further. What indicates that Luffy is above Burgess?
On what basis? That Sabo mid diffed him? He'd more than likely low diff both Luffy and Law, maybe mid diff for Luffy, so the recent chapter doesn't mean a thing in terms of Burgess being stronger than Law or Luffy.and here I thought the Burgess hype was dead.
OT:
1. Fujitora/Sabo
2. Doflamingo
3. Luffy
4. Zoro
5. Law
no one else deserves to be on the list.
and here I thought the Burgess hype was dead.
OT:
1. Fujitora/Sabo
2. Doflamingo
3. Luffy
4. Zoro
5. Law
no one else deserves to be on the list.
So do you think Sai and Chinjao are stronger than Zoro?1) Doflamingo/Issho/Sabo.
2)Luffy
3)Law
4)Sai
5)Burgess
6)Don Chinjiao
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(IMO Elizabelo is 1 or 2 given his preparation time)
What has Sabo shown to indicate him being capable of Low diffing them? There training has to be shit if they still can't even hold there own with some guy who isn't even admiral level.On what basis? That Sabo mid diffed him? He'd more than likely low diff both Luffy and Law, maybe mid diff for Luffy, so the recent chapter doesn't mean a thing in terms of Burgess being stronger than Law or Luffy.
First 5 fineHere's my list. I'm only coujting people currently on Dressorsa, so Sanji won't be on my list, but you can count him if you want to.
1. Fujitora
2. Sabo
3. Doflamingo
4. Luffy
5. Law/Burgess
6. Burgess/Law
7. Zoro
8. Pica
9. Hakuba
10. Kyros