[Discussion] Dragon is not as powerful as everyone thinks he is

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1. there is no actual solid evidence he can fight, or has done anything fight related.
usually when a new character pops up, or an old one returns, fodders or SHs recall their previous achievements, or claim to fame. for dragon its always "head of revs". never "he totally took down this one guy ten years ago zomg!" or "the mighty user of the whatever fruit!"
how much more would be buy into his hype if we heard of some legendary duel in the past between him and kizaru? the answer is a shit ton.
all hes done is scuffle with smoker once.

2. theres no real fear factor.
if hes truly one of the most fearsome admiral level warriors in OP, then how come ive never seen anyone react to the revs/fears pissing off the revs?
think about it. buggy said they will all get annhilated if they touch ace, because of WB.
ive never seen anyone fear the revolutionaries themselves or give ONE OUNCE OF EVER LOVING FUK that a rev is there. ivankov showed up and no one was like "zomg dragon will murder us".
being shocked at him being the parent of luffy doesnt mean a damn thing.
what i want is someoen actually being afraid of dragon's wrath following them and sinking them, or doing something to inspire dread and respect, power wise. instead it seems like the revs are just another notable army out there, like dofla pirates and SH pirates, even. hell the SH pirates have imposters running around and claims to fame!
everyone knows who the mighty monkey d luffy is. hes always stirring up major shit and taking down warlords.
garp even said, luffy, weak as he was, was so famed at that point that being dragon's son didnt even mean anything. now why the hell woudl that be when someone much stronger than him (marco) could threaten almost anyone into surrender just because of who his father was (WB)? how is dragon so little of a threat that luffy being his son didnt amount to a lick of shit in the end, according to garp, because of how powerful he apparently already was?

3. hes a coward and has weak military forces.
we know this because CP9 took out 3 top revs with no retaliation, and ivankov/inazuma got outright captured with no response from dragon. not even a "hey send an envoy and negociate the release of one of my top commanders and friends". dragon either couldnt give a tossing fuk about ivankov, or you can kill and capture his best guys with TOTAL IMPUNITY. yeah thats a mighty threat right there.
more importantly, why could he not just storm marejoa immediately? rather than wander around backwater kingdoms? its because hes not enough of a threat to try anything.
WB was well acknowledged as strongest, along with his crew, and despite reinforcements from ID, got destroyed.

so how am i to believe that akainu, with all his marine forces fully marshalled, cant do the same thing to dragons whole army? how am i to believe that any one single military force can defeat akainu's whole fully marshalled marine HQ defence? remember garp mihawk and sengoku really didnt even do much in WB war, and if they were doing more, then the pirates would have been destroyed even faster.

the reason he does not destroy dragon is because him and the marines have bigger things to be worrying about and wont send admirals halfway across the world when they have emperors and doflamingo on their front door!
he even moved HQ closer to new world because, red alert, kaidou and the other emperors are the real threat.
dragon moved and WG have barely cared. shanks moved and WG crapped their pants and sent warships to intercept him. for the marines 2 emperors joining together is the worst possible outcome and most dangerous threat.

then theres blackbeard. if we are going by hype, and most dragon fanboys do, then whats more impressive than gura guras hype of being able to WRECK THE WORLD? even the gorosei were like "no one can beat this guy, except maybe an emperor". i have never seen gorosei act like that over dragon.

and to nail the final coffin in dragon, aokiji, who should know of the revs, said the biggest threat to the fleet admiral's marines was whatever plot doflamingo and kaidou were cooking up.
doesnt sound to me like dragon > kaidou lol.
 
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The fact you present your opinion as facts given to you by Oda is almost as bad as your grammar.

Do you really think Garps grandson and Luffys Dad will be a weakling?

I'd say Dragon will be around Newgate - Shiki level once he gets revealed.
 

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The fact you present your opinion as facts given to you by Oda is almost as bad as your grammar.

Do you really think Garps grandson and Luffys Dad will be a weakling?

I'd say Dragon will be around Newgate - Shiki level once he gets revealed.
Dragon is his son,not grandson I believe ._.
 

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I personally think hes the strongest in one piece right now...Oda doesnt just hype up characters like that for nothing U_U....when luffy used Conquer Haki at Marineford all the Marines were like as expected hes the son of Dragon Implying Dragon is not a push over man U_U...and also other hypes like Sabo being #2 in rev 2nd to only dragon tells me he's at least an admiral level fighter or possibly even aboveU_U the hints are there bro you just need to put 2 and 2 together.
 
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Smoker is afraid of him
no he wasnt. he stared dragon down and almost mocked him by asking him when dragon will get off his ass and give the world his answer. he looked more angry that luffy got away than anything else.
.Oda doesnt just hype up characters like that for nothing
DRAGON HAS SHIT FOR HYPE. as i explained above. no one thinks twice about murdering a rev because dragon is too shit to retaliate or do anything to stop it. his top officers got brainwashed/captured and he did nothing about it.
usually when a character is hyped, thye have a scary title like "strongest whatever" or "the man who fought whatever ten years ago in a duel" we got nothing like that for dragon. no basis on which to conclude any kind of power level.
all we know is smoker doesnt give a shit about him, akainu doesnt give a shit about him and emperors dont give a shit. revs died easily with impunity and without fear of dragon doing something.
n luffy used Conquer Haki at Marineford all the Marines were like as expected hes the son of Dragon
yet garp said "oh that secrets out. oh wait it doesnt even matter because luffy is already famous enough" due to impel down, enies lobby and alabasta.
and IIRC only akainu commented on the blood thing.
also other hypes like Sabo being #2 in rev 2nd to only dragon tells me he's at least an admiral level fighter or possibly even above
no such thing as admiral level.
issho is not at the level of the preskip trio, at least not yet. and sengoku hasnt done anything. kizarus weaker than akainu. so who do you mean when you say admiral level? akainu or isshou?
sabo is barely holding off issho. i dont know why im supposed to care about that given fujitora has mostly shit for feats and hasnt gone all out.

tell me whats sabo done thats so "omg top tier amazing" besides clashing with isshou? which btw a 2 sworded zoro did, if only briefly.

Do you really think Garps grandson and Luffys Dad will be a weakling?
no. i said hes nowhere near as powerful or threatening as emperors or akainu. thats not being a weakling. im saying if he had the strength to affect the world stage and invade marejoa, he would have

I'd say Dragon will be around Newgate - Shiki level once he gets revealed.
which is wank without any concrete evidence
 

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Lol everyone is scared of Dragon. As soon as you say his name just look at the reactions. WB attacked Marineford but he already knew he was going to die doing it. Dragon is probably on a similar level. The obvious reason to believe he is that strong is that his dad is OP and his son is going to be the PK. I doubt hes weak. Hes at least Akainu level. Im sure it said somewhere that Dragon is building forces so its kinda obvious he cant oppose them directly at this point.
 
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no he wasnt. he stared dragon down and almost mocked him by asking him when dragon will get off his ass and give the world his answer. he looked more angry that luffy got away than anything else.

DRAGON HAS SHIT FOR HYPE. as i explained above. no one thinks twice about murdering a rev because dragon is too shit to retaliate or do anything to stop it. his top officers got brainwashed/captured and he did nothing about it.
usually when a character is hyped, thye have a scary title like "strongest whatever" or "the man who fought whatever ten years ago in a duel" we got nothing like that for dragon. no basis on which to conclude any kind of power level.
all we know is smoker doesnt give a shit about him, akainu doesnt give a shit about him and emperors dont give a shit. revs died easily with impunity and without fear of dragon doing something.

yet garp said "oh that secrets out. oh wait it doesnt even matter because luffy is already famous enough" due to impel down, enies lobby and alabasta.
and IIRC only akainu commented on the blood thing.

no such thing as admiral level.
issho is not at the level of the preskip trio, at least not yet. and sengoku hasnt done anything. kizarus weaker than akainu. so who do you mean when you say admiral level? akainu or isshou?
sabo is barely holding off issho. i dont know why im supposed to care about that given fujitora has mostly shit for feats and hasnt gone all out.

tell me whats sabo done thats so "omg top tier amazing" besides clashing with isshou? which btw a 2 sworded zoro did, if only briefly.


no. i said hes nowhere near as powerful or threatening as emperors or akainu. thats not being a weakling. im saying if he had the strength to affect the world stage and invade marejoa, he would have


which is wank without any concrete evidence
1. Dragon has tons of hype "historys most worst criminal" ring a bell the government fear Dragon because they dont know what hes up to or when he will strike.

2. And I see how you left out the hes at least Admiral lvl if not stronger ....and there is such a thing as Admiral lvl its the level and fighting skill of the Admirals :|

3. Sabo has done enough so far to show that hes not far from being an admiral lvl fighter such as: exceptional Haki skills, made quick work of a Yonkou top crew member(Burgess), Diamante didnt stand a chance U_U...., took out a vice Admiral from HQ with ease, has a powerful logia df which he will soon master U_U...the list goes on. Those feats alone confirm Sabo is not far off Admiral lvl if hes not on it yet ....and yes Fuji is restricted but I think when Sabo masters his df he would give Fuji a run for his money.

4. At Marineford when luffy father was revealed everyone was in shock Whitebeard himself was silent....Boa even said luffy was the child of the devil what more scarier you want than that?
 

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Lol Dragon > Shanks.

Really you think the guy who's directly leading a force against the World Government isn't powerful?

Let's look at the hype. Dragon has the ability to control the weather (Whether it's Haki or devil fruit related it doesn't matter), Luffy is considered a threat by Akainu purely because he's Dragon's son same way he viewed Ace who was Roger's son. His will power and Haki have been commented on by the likes of Ivankov and Vice Admirals.

He's the son of Garp and Luffy's father so he's automatically in my opinion going to be Admiral level on this basis alone, Sabo is second in command is fighting Admirals and Vice Admirals.

Dragon is clearly going to be Yonkou level or higher when he fights you're just mad that Dragon > You're favorite character.
 
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"Dragon is not as powerful as everyone thinks" the correct title would be, we haven't seen shit from him so dont go around overhyping him. We don't know how strong he is he could be barely admiral level or he could be the baddest mofo we've ever seen rivaling Shanks. We don't know so at this point threads like these are useless.

Personally, i think Dragon will be hella strong.
 
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"Dragon is not as powerful as everyone thinks" the correct title would be, we haven't seen shit from him so dont go around overhyping him. We don't know how strong he is he could be barely admiral level or he could be the baddest mofo we've ever seen rivaling Shanks. We don't know so at this point threads like these are useless.
Or stronger than Shanks.
 
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