[Discussion] Dragon is not as powerful as everyone thinks he is

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True true, Dragon is probably mid Vice Admiral tier, but he is a great leader and that's why he will use the army to attack together with their pirate allies but ignore everyone here they have no idea what they are talking about, they should reread the manga

this thread is retarded btw

My flying rat-dog bit the son-in-law of mickey mouse yesterday on Neptune, there is actually no solid evidence against this so it naturally is true ... Well, you could maybe, just maybe apply logic and common sense though ...
 
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This thread has ascended past border line retarded..that is a higher level then Super Sayain the retarded mental edition.....We have no evidence about none of the big players in OP.....but plenty things is confirmed about Dragon

1)He is the son of a legendary Marine that fought the PK
2)He is a D
3)He is the leader of an army consisting of people like Kuma and Sabo

If thats not enough for the ascended retard/sayain

[video=youtube;hmiL3ta0BzE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmiL3ta0BzE[/video]

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Grey Terminal all dayy

If thats not enough for u think like this. Monkey D Dragon is turning little kids into top tiers..loll
 
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Wait what?

I don't think Sabo is>Benn Beckmann. Do you?
Yeah I kind of do considering what we've seen from Sabo. Like Sabo has feats and hype while Ben Beckman just as hype and barely any feats other than slightly stalling Kizaru who was trolling him anyway.

True true, Dragon is probably mid Vice Admiral tier, but he is a great leader and that's why he will use the army to attack together with their pirate allies but ignore everyone here they have no idea what they are talking about, they should reread the manga
I honest to god hope this is sarcasm.
 

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Yeah I kind of do considering what we've seen from Sabo. Like Sabo has feats and hype while Ben Beckman just as hype and barely any feats other than slightly stalling Kizaru who was trolling him anyway.



I honest to god hope this is sarcasm.
Everyone knows I like Sabo..but my gut feeling thinks he is a bit stronger than Sabo....no by alot by slightly...I just believe Beckman is the closest 1st mate to his captain or leaders strengthn and I have nothing to prove that btw
 

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1)He is the son of a legendary Marine that fought the PK
do i need to post the scan of WB saying blood is meaningless?
3)He is the leader of an army consisting of people like Kuma and Sabo
meaningless as he coudl be a figurehead or a spandam/world noble type weakling.
and if he is strong, hes not at the level of the emperors or akainu.
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nothing confirmed dragon as responsibel for any weather changes. he could be haki only for all we know
, we haven't seen shit from him so dont go around overhyping him.
we have seen him be powerless to do anything about peopel messing with his men. thats a sign of massive weakness. unlike say, blackbeard where only suicidal people mess with his men or business. or men looking to join him by proving their power.
do you think that if BB got his top man thrown in impel down, that he'd take it and let the WG horsefuk him? of course not.
the reality is dragon is in the middle of ass balls nowhere and not in marejoa for a reason. hes too weak.
he could be the baddest mofo we've ever seen rivaling Shanks. We don't kno
actualyl we do from portrayal. from portrayal, dragon lets the government fuk him in the ass and take his two best fighters (besides sabo) without fear of any retaliation.
and like i said, do you think if an emperor had their fleet commander thrown in prison, that theyd take it lying down like dragon did?

Dragon > Shanks.

Really you think the guy who's directly leading a force against the World Government isn't powerful?
no. i merely think hes not as powerful as the top tier.
and when he comes up against a real fighter like an admiral, hes getting decimated.
just because hes challenging WG doesnt mean its confirmed he has the armaments resources or power to succeed vs marine HQ.
Dragon has the ability to control the weather (
no he doesnt. not once did he ever do so. not ocne was it confirmed he has the ability to do so. not once was it implied or even hinted at that it was him controlling it.
the OP world is chock full of batshit insane weather. do you now think dragon is doing ALL OF IT because gusts of wind happen the sole two times hes shown himself?
nonsense.
the only inferrance we can make about dragons abilities is that because his father is garp we can assume he got trained at least a bit in haki.
, Luffy is considered a threat by Akainu purely because he's Dragon's son
akainu is not the government or the marines.
and keep in mind its not like he kept pursuing luffy relentlessly just because he learnt luffy had resurfaced after two years. it didnt seem terribly important to current akainu.
plus akainu keeping on calling him "dragon's son" is probably a sign of disdain for luffy as a person as he cant even say his name. he respects dragon, not pirates.
did it look like sengoku gave two flying fuks about dragon when he brought it up? he was just like "oh yeah and luffys dad's this guy guys".
kizaru had permission to kill them all, with no special priorities from sengoku. except ace of course.
akainus my favourite character so do you really think he, who hates all pirates and moved HQ nearer to them and not dragon, cares about dragon as a threat?
there is such a thing as Admiral lvl its the level and fighting skill of the Admirals
no there isnt. no admiral is equal to another. so who do you mean when you say level of the admirals?
theres akainu level. issho level. kizaru level. who do you mean?
ragon is clearly going to be Yonkou level or higher
disproved by portrayal and how people react to him and his threats.
hes a fodder, ignored by the majority of strong characters. he got three top men captured and taken from him with total impunity and without retaliation.
if you can do that, then dragon clearly cant back up whatever threat the gorosei thinks he poses.
cipher pol sent only 3 guys to fight revs and all three came back unscathed. WOW IM SO SCARED OF THE REVS. SUCH A STRONG FORCE OF MILITARY STRENGTH.

He's the son of Garp and Luffy's father so he's automatically in my opinion going to be Admiral level on this basis alone, Sabo is second in command is fighting Admirals and Vice Admirals.
whitebeard: it doesnt matter who your parents are. everyone is a child of the sea.
by your logic, ace is pirate king level because of having roger's blood. but he isnt.
so the son of garp will not necessarily be as much of a legend as him either.
sabo is not fighting admirals. hes clashing briefly with one admiral and clearly struggling. the best i can say is hes doing as well as jozu did vs aokiji or marco vs akainu.
. His will power and Haki have been commented on by the likes of Ivankov and Vice Admirals.
dragon has yet to have confirmed haki.

everyone is scared of Dragon. As soon as you say his name just look at the reactions.
shock. not fear.
no one is scared of dragon.
when his own men landed in marineford, sengoku apparently decided to declare war on dragon by massacring those ID escapees without so much as blinking. sengoku, whos usually a worry wart over every little thing, failed to bust his nut at revs appearing on the battlefield. probably because no one cares about dragon.
smoker wasnt scared. in fact just annoyed lufy got away. because no one cares about dragon.
luffy continued to be attacked, even after the world found out who his dad truly is. because no one cares about dragon, hes miles away in ass balls nowhere.
ivankov and inazuma got captured and tortured because no one cares about retaliation from dragon.
cipher pol nine agents killed top revolutionary commanders without a scratch on them. because no one cares about dragon.compare that to the force they sent to fight whitebeard/defend enies lobby.
akainu moved HQ to new world and sent an admiral to doflamingo because no one cares about dragon.
aokiji said kaidous dealings in the black market is the greatest threat to sakazukis HQ because no one cares about dragon.
teach's gura gura no mi can destroy the world. dragon cannot.
gorosei said only another emperor could now fight with teach. because no one cares about dragon.
the marine HQ shit its pants at shanks meeting WB because the greatest threat to the government is two emperors joining forces. not dragon.
made quick work of a Yonkou top crew member(Burgess),
sabo broke his armour. burgess was otherwise unhurt and unphased
took out a vice Admiral from HQ with ease
so did barto. and oars jr. and young aokiji. and new world captains. and doflamingo. and law. and vergo.
Dragon is probably on a similar level.
based on nothing except nonsense and wank.
dragons top men ahve been slaughtered and captured with impunity and no fear of any retaliation. no emperor or fleet admiral would let that happen to them. maybe everyones underestimating dragon and he didnt care about ivankov. but that seems unlikely as he saved sabo when he didnt have to.
. The obvious reason to believe he is that strong is that his dad is OP and his son is going to be the PK.
again whitebeards quote of everyone being a child of the sea. look at ace. zoro, who will be strongest swordsman, had a fodder father.
doflamingo killed his fodder dad himself!
Dragon has tons of hype "historys most worst criminal
no one mentioned anything about history or worst. hes the current most wanted. thats it. thats his only shown title.
and even then its only been so for the last 3 years or so.
at the council of kings, one dude said dragon was on the rise and would be a threat in 5 years. that was 5 years before the series starts. so if they are tracking dragon's rise and STILL offing his top officers clearly dragon is not as strong as fans claim.
. Im sure it said somewhere that Dragon is building forces so its kinda obvious he cant oppose them directly at this point.
EXACTLY. hes not strong yet but by the time luffy gets to one piece, dragon will obviously have a sizeable army enough to do something. right now? hes weak and stuck in assclown nowhere.

4. At Marineford when luffy father was revealed everyone was in shock Whitebeard himself was silent....Boa even said luffy was the child of the devil what more scarier you want than that?
they got scared of WG propaganda. who do you think is spreading all of this "dragon is the devil" crap? oh yeah the 5 old men who dont want dragon getting any more men.
its a worldwide PR campaign to make dragon out to be far more evil than he actually is.
 

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he is stronger than what you think.If you want to fight WG you should gather every possible fighter and war supplies.you can't just go and say hi iam dragon and i will free my sub ordinates and i will solo WG.He is strong but even PK cant take on all the admirals at once.your assuming him being weak because he didn't show us anything to measure his power.please be patient oda will give him a grand scenario where he will shine and live upto his hype.
 

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do i need to post the scan of WB saying blood is meaningless?

meaningless as he coudl be a figurehead or a spandam/world noble type weakling.
and if he is strong, hes not at the level of the emperors or akainu.
nothing confirmed dragon as responsibel for any weather changes. he could be haki only for all we know

we have seen him be powerless to do anything about peopel messing with his men. thats a sign of massive weakness. unlike say, blackbeard where only suicidal people mess with his men or business. or men looking to join him by proving their power.
do you think that if BB got his top man thrown in impel down, that he'd take it and let the WG horsefuk him? of course not.
the reality is dragon is in the middle of ass balls nowhere and not in marejoa for a reason. hes too weak.

actualyl we do from portrayal. from portrayal, dragon lets the government fuk him in the ass and take his two best fighters (besides sabo) without fear of any retaliation.
and like i said, do you think if an emperor had their fleet commander thrown in prison, that theyd take it lying down like dragon did?


no. i merely think hes not as powerful as the top tier.
and when he comes up against a real fighter like an admiral, hes getting decimated.
just because hes challenging WG doesnt mean its confirmed he has the armaments resources or power to succeed vs marine HQ.

no he doesnt. not once did he ever do so. not ocne was it confirmed he has the ability to do so. not once was it implied or even hinted at that it was him controlling it.
the OP world is chock full of batshit insane weather. do you now think dragon is doing ALL OF IT because gusts of wind happen the sole two times hes shown himself?
nonsense.
the only inferrance we can make about dragons abilities is that because his father is garp we can assume he got trained at least a bit in haki.

akainu is not the government or the marines.
and keep in mind its not like he kept pursuing luffy relentlessly just because he learnt luffy had resurfaced after two years. it didnt seem terribly important to current akainu.
plus akainu keeping on calling him "dragon's son" is probably a sign of disdain for luffy as a person as he cant even say his name. he respects dragon, not pirates.
did it look like sengoku gave two flying fuks about dragon when he brought it up? he was just like "oh yeah and luffys dad's this guy guys".
kizaru had permission to kill them all, with no special priorities from sengoku. except ace of course.
akainus my favourite character so do you really think he, who hates all pirates and moved HQ nearer to them and not dragon, cares about dragon as a threat?

no there isnt. no admiral is equal to another. so who do you mean when you say level of the admirals?
theres akainu level. issho level. kizaru level. who do you mean?

disproved by portrayal and how people react to him and his threats.
hes a fodder, ignored by the majority of strong characters. he got three top men captured and taken from him with total impunity and without retaliation.
if you can do that, then dragon clearly cant back up whatever threat the gorosei thinks he poses.
cipher pol sent only 3 guys to fight revs and all three came back unscathed. WOW IM SO SCARED OF THE REVS. SUCH A STRONG FORCE OF MILITARY STRENGTH.


whitebeard: it doesnt matter who your parents are. everyone is a child of the sea.
by your logic, ace is pirate king level because of having roger's blood. but he isnt.
so the son of garp will not necessarily be as much of a legend as him either.
sabo is not fighting admirals. hes clashing briefly with one admiral and clearly struggling. the best i can say is hes doing as well as jozu did vs aokiji or marco vs akainu.

dragon has yet to have confirmed haki.

everyone is scared of Dragon. As soon as you say his name just look at the reactions.
shock. not fear.
no one is scared of dragon.
when his own men landed in marineford, sengoku apparently decided to declare war on dragon by massacring those ID escapees without so much as blinking. sengoku, whos usually a worry wart over every little thing, failed to bust his nut at revs appearing on the battlefield. probably because no one cares about dragon.
smoker wasnt scared. in fact just annoyed lufy got away. because no one cares about dragon.
luffy continued to be attacked, even after the world found out who his dad truly is. because no one cares about dragon, hes miles away in ass balls nowhere.
ivankov and inazuma got captured and tortured because no one cares about retaliation from dragon.
cipher pol nine agents killed top revolutionary commanders without a scratch on them. because no one cares about dragon.compare that to the force they sent to fight whitebeard/defend enies lobby.
akainu moved HQ to new world and sent an admiral to doflamingo because no one cares about dragon.
aokiji said kaidous dealings in the black market is the greatest threat to sakazukis HQ because no one cares about dragon.
teach's gura gura no mi can destroy the world. dragon cannot.
gorosei said only another emperor could now fight with teach. because no one cares about dragon.
the marine HQ shit its pants at shanks meeting WB because the greatest threat to the government is two emperors joining forces. not dragon.

sabo broke his armour. burgess was otherwise unhurt and unphased

so did barto. and oars jr. and young aokiji. and new world captains. and doflamingo. and law. and vergo.

based on nothing except nonsense and wank.
dragons top men ahve been slaughtered and captured with impunity and no fear of any retaliation. no emperor or fleet admiral would let that happen to them. maybe everyones underestimating dragon and he didnt care about ivankov. but that seems unlikely as he saved sabo when he didnt have to.

again whitebeards quote of everyone being a child of the sea. look at ace. zoro, who will be strongest swordsman, had a fodder father.
doflamingo killed his fodder dad himself!

no one mentioned anything about history or worst. hes the current most wanted. thats it. thats his only shown title.
and even then its only been so for the last 3 years or so.
at the council of kings, one dude said dragon was on the rise and would be a threat in 5 years. that was 5 years before the series starts. so if they are tracking dragon's rise and STILL offing his top officers clearly dragon is not as strong as fans claim.

EXACTLY. hes not strong yet but by the time luffy gets to one piece, dragon will obviously have a sizeable army enough to do something. right now? hes weak and stuck in assclown nowhere.


they got scared of WG propaganda. who do you think is spreading all of this "dragon is the devil" crap? oh yeah the 5 old men who dont want dragon getting any more men.
its a worldwide PR campaign to make dragon out to be far more evil than he actually is.
What is your problem with Dragon? Hes barely done anything and hes being hated on. Who said Ivankov was a top member? As far as we were told she is just a commander. And no they were not getting tortured. If you watched ID then you would have seen her/him chilling and having fun. Lol no yonkou would let his men get captured?? Where did you get that from? Only WB is big on family. I doubt Kaido or BM would give a **** if someone was captured. Dragon alone could never oppose the government. Thats like saying WB should have gone alone to MF and saved Ace. He brought hundreds of allies with him. Dragon doesnt have enough back up to take on the WG yet. Anyway, no point in arguing with you since you think he is VA level cos he let some of his men get captured and doesnt have enough back up to take on the WG. Im gonna laugh when he is shown to be Yonko level.
 

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Hes barely done anything and hes being hated on.
im not hating on someone who has no character and has done nothing.
my problem lies in the fans overwanking someone whos vastly unimpressive and weak so far.
Who said Ivankov was a top member?
so you think hes a rank and file soldier?
you dont believe that. even the most powerful military in the world's rank and file soldiers lose to the likes of alvida and buggy. you fool.
And no they were not getting tortured
everyone in impel down is tortured at some point. just because ivankov and others hid between levels doesnt mean they somehow snuck in there undetected or something.
no yonkou would let his men get captured?? Where did you get that from? Only WB is big on family.
every yonko is big on appearances.
they cant afford to look weak or else their many many rivals will capitalise on that. basic politics and military strategy.
same with marines/WG. they didnt want to seem weak and thus hid moria's defeat and level 7 prisoners escaping.
. Thats like saying WB should have gone alone to MF and saved Ace. He brought hundreds of allies with him.
WB was strong enough to try. had he gone alone he could have caught impel down off guard and freed ace. like luffy nearly did.
however executing ace is an act of war so WB had to make war.
what im saying is that both dragon and revolutionaries are nowhere near as strong as people seem to think, with sabo and dragon being their only remaining notable fighters. its bad news when your number 2 is only holding off the weakest admiral.
. Dragon doesnt have enough back up to take on the WG yet.
and never will or else he would have tried by now. dont you think if its resources and men he wants, he should go find them in the grand line where all the real soldiers are? oh right he wont do that because hed be immediately owned.
and if he is going to be immediately owned right now, how can anyone believe hes an emperor calibre fighter?
 

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im not hating on someone who has no character and has done nothing.
my problem lies in the fans overwanking someone whos vastly unimpressive and weak so far.

so you think hes a rank and file soldier?
you dont believe that. even the most powerful military in the world's rank and file soldiers lose to the likes of alvida and buggy. you fool.

everyone in impel down is tortured at some point. just because ivankov and others hid between levels doesnt mean they somehow snuck in there undetected or something.

every yonko is big on appearances.
they cant afford to look weak or else their many many rivals will capitalise on that. basic politics and military strategy.
same with marines/WG. they didnt want to seem weak and thus hid moria's defeat and level 7 prisoners escaping.

WB was strong enough to try. had he gone alone he could have caught impel down off guard and freed ace. like luffy nearly did.
however executing ace is an act of war so WB had to make war.
what im saying is that both dragon and revolutionaries are nowhere near as strong as people seem to think, with sabo and dragon being their only remaining notable fighters. its bad news when your number 2 is only holding off the weakest admiral.

and never will or else he would have tried by now. dont you think if its resources and men he wants, he should go find them in the grand line where all the real soldiers are? oh right he wont do that because hed be immediately owned.
and if he is going to be immediately owned right now, how can anyone believe hes an emperor calibre fighter?
He never will ? Thats a bold statement to make considering that if he thought he never will he probably would have quit by now. Weakest admiral ? Plz oda tell me more about the admirals and green bull since you know Fuji is weakest. The gap between WB and Marco was pretty large no reason why it cant be the same for the revs. WB had no chance by himself. If he did then he wouldnt have risked his sons life to save ace if he could have done it by himself.
 
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weakest so far, obviously

he couldnt have stopped them from coming lol
Ok lol that is a fair enough point. Anyway, I dont think it would make sense for Dragon to be weaker than Admirals at least. Not that many threads are made about Dragon tho so I dont see how anybody can hype him since we know next to nothing. Everyone just presumes he is strong.
 
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