One thing about Guy, if he didn't use his full speed in battle with the V2 gin, then why did he open 6th gate? If he was certain that Kakashi wouldn't be able to keep up with him then he wouldn't open 6th gate. It make no sense. Kakashi is for sure one of the fastest character in NV.
Or simply not go as fast so kakashi can keep up with him. Ever thought of that. That's like saying Bee is as fast as Naruto because they were heading to the battlefield together at the same pace with your logic.
There's no way kakashi is ever touching people like Ay and the other faster people in speed.
This is for everybody saying 'Sasuke never copied Lee's speed.'
This is wrong. You need to master every aspect of a fighting style before you could be conisdered fluent in it... and look back at that Lee/Sasuke fight. You'll see he demonstrated both taijutsu AND speed. They go hand in hand with each other... I mean really, how can somebody master a style and be slow as a turtle? Doesn't make any sense, speed is part of taijutsu and taijutsu is part of speed. And to prove Lee was demonstrating both speed and tech, I have this scan provided.
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He said you don't have the speed to react to me. Now tell me, does speed counter speed, or does technique counter speed? Exactly, speed on speed. You can't use a tech to counter something that fast unless you have the speed to react to it.
Furthermore, this is just a case of reading carefully. If Sasuke was going to copy Lee exactly, to be on par with him by the time of the Chunin fight, he had to be able to access his speed as well as techs. He couldn't only use techs. This page proved that techs without the ability to touch somebody is pointless. You need to be able to react to them.
And to further prove he copied speed as well as tech... it's plain as daylight to see guys. Just reread that fight with Gaara. If he was only using techs, there wouldn't have been any emphasis on his speed. Here's the most impelling scan I could find, relevant to speed and not taijutsu because of how quick that blitz was.
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And guys... c'mon. Just look at that parallel. There's never been anything more black and white than that in this manga as far as parallels go. And later on, Sasuke's panel completely mirrors Lee's when he fought Gaara.
Here, we see Lee is so fast that as far as Gaara can tell, he's a moving shadow.
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Then, Kishi uses the exact same effect later on in Sasuke's fight.
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Still not convinced? Here are some demonstrations of his speed, derived from Lee and combined with his tech to deliver those blows.
Of course, Gai is on par with Minato and Naruto.
6th gate may blitz, but there's still the 7th and 8th gates.
Now THOSE I don't think Kakashi has ever seen. And
True, he's fast even praised by Nagato and Tobi ...Not only Kakashi can use at least the first gate but he's also extremly fast without them.
But you forget an important point that prove that Kakashi is extremly fast.
It was from the flashback, Kakashi was able to beat gate Gai without the sharingan and without chidori whereas Sasuke coulnd't handle Base Lee even with his sharingan.
Kakashi is a pure genius, he's probably the most versatile ninja.
This is for everybody saying 'Sasuke never copied Lee's speed.'
This is wrong. You need to master every aspect of a fighting style before you could be conisdered fluent in it... and look back at that Lee/Sasuke fight. You'll see he demonstrated both taijutsu AND speed. They go hand in hand with each other... I mean really, how can somebody master a style and be slow as a turtle? Doesn't make any sense, speed is part of taijutsu and taijutsu is part of speed. And to prove Lee was demonstrating both speed and tech, I have this scan provided.
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He said you don't have the speed to react to me. Now tell me, does speed counter speed, or does technique counter speed? Exactly, speed on speed. You can't use a tech to counter something that fast unless you have the speed to react to it.
Furthermore, this is just a case of reading carefully. If Sasuke was going to copy Lee exactly, to be on par with him by the time of the Chunin fight, he had to be able to access his speed as well as techs. He couldn't only use techs. This page proved that techs without the ability to touch somebody is pointless. You need to be able to react to them.
And to further prove he copied speed as well as tech... it's plain as daylight to see guys. Just reread that fight with Gaara. If he was only using techs, there wouldn't have been any emphasis on his speed. Here's the most impelling scan I could find, relevant to speed and not taijutsu because of how quick that blitz was.
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And guys... c'mon. Just look at that parallel. There's never been anything more black and white than that in this manga as far as parallels go. And later on, Sasuke's panel completely mirrors Lee's when he fought Gaara.
Here, we see Lee is so fast that as far as Gaara can tell, he's a moving shadow.
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Then, Kishi uses the exact same effect later on in Sasuke's fight.
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Still not convinced? Here are some demonstrations of his speed, derived from Lee and combined with his tech to deliver those blows.
Sasuke trained for that speed. Now kakashi could but I dont think his body would be able to control it as such. I also dont think Kakashi would have seen sixth gate speed cos gai gets tired after using it. No reason he would use it during a spar, maybe up to fifth gate. Also kakashi is one of the fastest people in the manga but he is not as fast as guy.
You don't just copy the speed... :| Copying the speed only enables you to see how it's done. You then have to practice the speed. Like Sasuke did in his chidori training. He probably copied the Chidori from Kakashi. Doesn't mean he can instantly do it perfectly. You still have to analyze and practice.
Sasuke trained for that speed. Now kakashi could but I dont think his body would be able to control it as such. I also dont think Kakashi would have seen sixth gate speed cos gai gets tired after using it. No reason he would use it during a spar, maybe up to fifth gate.
You don't just copy the speed... :| Copying the speed only enables you to see how it's done. You then have to practice the speed. Like Sasuke did in his chidori training. He probably copied the Chidori from Kakashi. Doesn't mean he can instantly do it perfectly.
Reading is fundamental.
Btw, Kakashi already has access to the Gates. There's no denying he can use them, he's already demonstrated the first. Now once you can use them, you can use them. It's just the pain that comes with it, so he can use 6th gate speed.
For further proof on copying speed, refer to post 67. I've already gone over how copying speed is possible.
Reading is fundamental.
Btw, Kakashi already has access to the Gates. There's no denying he can use them, he's already demonstrated the first. Now once you can use them, you can use them. It's just the pain that comes with it, so he can use 6th gate speed.
For further proof on copying speed, refer to post 67. I've already gone over how copying speed is possible.
It was Lee's movements/taijutsu that Sasuke copied. He had to master those movements over time to gain the speed. It's like when Lee fought Sasuke. Sasuke could see him move but his body could not react fast enough. After watching Lee fight he applied what he saw with his Sharingan into his training and was able to achieve nearly the same reflexes and speed. We are both right.
It was Lee's movements/taijutsu that Sasuke copied. He had to master those movements over time to gain the speed. It's like when Lee fought Sasuke. Sasuke could see him move but his body could not react fast enough. After watching Lee fight he applied what he saw with his Sharingan into his training and was able to achieve nearly the same reflexes and speed. We are both right.
No. Sasuke simply saw lees tech and copied the taijutsu. From there he used his chakra for a shush in boost. This is clearly what occurred considering it was shown in the haiku vs Sasuke fight that speed can be boosted tremenbously by applying chakra to the feat.
Furthermore, Sasuke had an entire second examination in the forest of death to work up his speed. All the hard battles he fought slowly brought him up in terms of speed.
Lee attains those speeds through normal movement, Sasuke does it with chakra boosts and over exertion. That is why Sasuke gets tired extremely quickly when using lees speed, even though its ' normal' running speed for Lee.
Lastly, Sasuke never saw weightless Lee fight. Therefore, even if it was remotely possible that he copied weighted lees sp3ed, its completely impossible that he copied unweighted. Thus, the speed he should against gaara was through intense training. He already copied lees technique and knew how fast he had to be to do it, therefore, applying shush in boosts to attain that speed were entirely possible for him. A good example of this being shuushin speed is when he blitzed naruto in pro's hideout. That wasn't Sasuke normal speed but he somehow moved with blinding speed to reach naruto.
Lee can't use chakra so he can't use shuushin boosts, but Sasuke can. Copying the technique and knowing the speed it has to be done it is a good indicator of how fast he has to go. Extreme speed training with kakashi is what got him to where he was for gases fight - you need blinding speed for chidori.
this is assuming he can open 6 gates, because it is physically impossible for the human body to perform such feats of speed unless your chakra limiters (gates) have been removed. so its all about whether or not he can open that many gates, which i seriously doubt. hes only opened one in canon. besides, guy has trained continuously since he was a little kid to improve his physical ability and train his body to move faster. i dont think kakashi can instantly copy years of grueling fitness training.
No. Sasuke simply saw lees tech and copied the taijutsu. From there he used his chakra for a shush in boost. This is clearly what occurred considering it was shown in the haiku vs Sasuke fight that speed can be boosted tremenbously by applying chakra to the feat.
Furthermore, Sasuke had an entire second examination in the forest of death to work up his speed. All the hard battles he fought slowly brought him up in terms of speed.
Lee attains those speeds through normal movement, Sasuke does it with chakra boosts and over exertion. That is why Sasuke gets tired extremely quickly when using lees speed, even though its ' normal' running speed for Lee.
Lastly, Sasuke never saw weightless Lee fight. Therefore, even if it was remotely possible that he copied weighted lees sp3ed, its completely impossible that he copied unweighted. Thus, the speed he should against gaara was through intense training. He already copied lees technique and knew how fast he had to be to do it, therefore, applying shush in boosts to attain that speed were entirely possible for him. A good example of this being shuushin speed is when he blitzed naruto in pro's hideout. That wasn't Sasuke normal speed but he somehow moved with blinding speed to reach naruto.
Lee can't use chakra so he can't use shuushin boosts, but Sasuke can. Copying the technique and knowing the speed it has to be done it is a good indicator of how fast he has to go. Extreme speed training with kakashi is what got him to where he was for gases fight - you need blinding speed for chidori.
You need speed in order to perfect Taijutsu. Since Sasuke had to be at at least Lee's level before the fight with Gaara, he was also practicing his speed so that he could surpass him... Sasuke vs Gaara version of Sasuke was fast as weightless Lee.
Lmao, this has been brought down by hardcore fans and was shot down with minimum effort.
Gai and kakashi were attacking as a duo, Gai was pacing himself for kakashi.
May i also say that, base gai has been deemed to be faster than base kakashi
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In all 3 databook's which take into consideration speed in the form of base. Kakashi's maximum has been 4.5, gaining a 0.5 along the way.
Gai on the other hand has always been recognised as a 5 in all databooks.
Its possible that kakashi has improved therefore in a later Db he also would gain the maximum.
But even then i will still say, base gai speed >/= base kakashi.
Base kakashi speed = hachimon Gai?
You having a laugh
Lmao, this has been brought down by hardcore fans and was shot down with minimum effort.
Gai and kakashi were attacking as a duo, Gai was pacing himself for kakashi.
May i also say that, base gai has been deemed to be faster than base kakashi
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In all 3 databook's which take into consideration speed in the form of base. Kakashi's maximum has been 4.5, gaining a 0.5 along the way.
Gai on the other hand has always been recognised as a 5 in all databooks.
Its possible that kakashi has improved therefore in a later Db he also would gain the maximum.
But even then i will still say, base gai speed >/= base kakashi.
