[VS] Doflamingo VS luffy (Rematch)
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Rikudou Tobi
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Luffy smashes him if Dofy doesn't have help to weaken Luffy like he did in the manga. Luffy did well fighting Dogtooth (katakuri) without help and he's miles above Doflamingo in strength.
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Luffy wins. It becomes a battle of stamina & that's where Luffy excels. To clarify, I mean stamina in the sense of prolonged fighting rather than endurance, which Doflamingo has a shit ton of.
The big question everyone is probably most concerned about is "how would Luffy actually keep Doflamingo down with Law?" I think the answer is simple. Luffy has shown the ability to harm Doflamingo in G2, so he'd just have to deal the damage over a large period of time opposed to within the span of a little more than an hour. Doflamingo's strings can heal tears induced by Gamma Knife, but they really can't do shit about organs being pummeled.
The big question everyone is probably most concerned about is "how would Luffy actually keep Doflamingo down with Law?" I think the answer is simple. Luffy has shown the ability to harm Doflamingo in G2, so he'd just have to deal the damage over a large period of time opposed to within the span of a little more than an hour. Doflamingo's strings can heal tears induced by Gamma Knife, but they really can't do shit about organs being pummeled.
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luffy wins no diff.... his observation haki is beyond repair(hes can see anything now) in a sense hes maxed out, luffy been shown to hold 4th gear form way longer now. luffy has progessed so much doffy would have to shit strings for months if they fought agian.
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interesting point from you all
but i think you underrate Doffy a lot
if you re-watch the fight again Luffy got a lot of help
from Law when he destroyed Doffy internal organs
and from the village who carry his body when doffy was walking towards luffy with a killing intention
if law didn't do what he did then Doffy almost invincible because he can use his strings to attach his organs together
but i think you underrate Doffy a lot
if you re-watch the fight again Luffy got a lot of help
from Law when he destroyed Doffy internal organs
and from the village who carry his body when doffy was walking towards luffy with a killing intention
if law didn't do what he did then Doffy almost invincible because he can use his strings to attach his organs together
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Luffy needed a shit ton of help because he gassed out after G4. This time around, he won't need G4 to land direct hits or Law's tricks thanks to his increased observation. Doffy strings aren't doing shit to alleviate organs that are smashed in either.
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Doflamingo for the same reason that Luffy survived his fight with Katakuri.
This is the same thing.
The only time Luffy hurt Doffy with anything less than G4 was right after Doffy was injured by Law. A few moments later, a directly blow from a Hawk Bazooka did nothing to Doflamingo. Luffy isn't gonna be able to hurt a fully healthy Doflamingo without G4.
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Know the difference between surviving and beating someone because clearly you're having problems with this word definition. Luffy at one point was down but he still wasn't out and he stood on his two feet when Katakuri was unable to continue because Black Mamba eventually defeated him.
Luffy BEAT Katakuri he didn't JUST survive him.
So this obsessive idiocy you have going on for Doflamingo needs to stop. Everyone here knows how ass bent you are on Doflamingo that it comes to no surprise, you and Kiiro to be exact. It was well established after making that horrendous claim that Doflamingo is on admiral level or at least he could beat Issho in a fight, despite the fact that you believe Admirals>Yonko is strength.
You need to learn that Luffy>>Doflamingo and the gap is clear as day, Luffy didn't use Tankman or Snakeman against Doflamingo in their fight because BounceMan was more than enough to beat him. When Luffy was put against the corner against Cracker and Dogtooth to the point that BounceMan didn't work, he adjusted by increasing his level of haki and he transformed into something different either to be more power or faster.
In fact the only reason why Doflamingo survived for so long was because he was fighting in Dressrosa, the home turf advantage is real with all his country people behind him at the beginning. Doflamingo has an advantage when he's surrounded by clouds, that's his strength. Just like Crocodile in Alabasta, Jimbei in a huge ocean or Fisherman island to be exact, and Moriah in the Bermuda triangle in Thriller Bark.
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Nothing about this contradicts what I said. Katakuri vs Luffy just proves that having an overwhelming power advantage on someone won't win you the fight. Katakuri landed literally dozens of blows while Luffy maybe scratched ten of his own, and Katakuri fell just as he did and ultimately the one that didn't get back up. By your logic of Luffy beating Katakuri(it's actually dubious if we can consider that fight Luffy beating him), it defeats your argument that Luffy beats Doflamingo just because he can hit harder.
Then you all can be wrong together.
Tankman, Snakeman, and Bounceman aren't any weaker or stronger than the other as we've proven to you time and time again. They have their own advantages, and their own disadvantages. Luffy didn't use Tankman or Snake Man against Doflamingo because neither of them had the advantage he needed. Tankman had no mobility and offensive power that would be useful against Doflamingo, and Snake Man while fast wouldn't carry the power needed to actually put Doflamingo down.
He needed to use something faster against Katakuri because Katakuri's future sight made it almost impossible to hit him unless Luffy used something that was so fast, seeing it coming wouldn't matter. Tankman is neither more powerful or faster than either Snake Man or Bounce Man, it just offers greater defense(it's almost laughable you'd say that Tank Man is a "faster" option lmfao)
None of those people had any effect on the fight between Luffy and Doflamingo in Doffy's favor. Being in Dressrosa helped Luffy since the citizens ultimately helped him run from Doflamingo when his Haki was out.
Except Doflamingo was flying inside as well. And even if Doflamingo couldn't fly against Luffy, he still had his Awakenings for mobility and to contend with Luffy's power and mobility. None of this means anything.
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There's no reason to assume Luffy's gotten any stronger though. He has foresight, but we've never seen the foresight make any actual difference in his fighting ability.
It was assumed that Luffy got stronger because he was able to run after Bounce Man timed out in the Mirro-World, and then Oda said in the SBS he could do the same thing in Dressrosa. Luffy doesn't appear to be any faster, stronger, durable, or long-lasting than he was then.
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I told you to know the difference, which is what you failed to do.
And no, by my logic Katakuri and Luffy hit harder and they are more durable than Doflamingo. You keep forgetting Luffy’s abnormal resiliency because of his devil fruit power and this has been hinted ever since Luffy entered the Grand line.
As expected by someone so delusional. The fact that you put Doflamingo one the same category as someone vastly stronger than him in every category proved you wrong and me right.
You didn’t prove anything, you just remained ignorant in your headcanon stupidity. The fact of the matter is that Luffy initially used BounceMan and it failed, he used it against Doflamingo and it succeeded. All other speculations remain nil. The only thing we have is that SnakeMan is faster and we have no open statement or proof that it’s inferior in any other category.
I never said that Tankman is a faster option, learn how to read properly you idiot.
The bold would just proves my point because SnakeMan being used just make Luffy beat Doflamingo faster and more effiecently than BounceMan if we go by the what you said in bold.
Clearly TankMan provided more power because of size
100% wrong and it is very stupid that you would even type this shit. You think Doflamingo said that Luffy was weakened for no nothing or were you too busy checking out his ass?
Except that he did not fly inside and Luffy can easily dodge and tank Dofy’s awakening in base form. He already did it to Off white and he tanked it when being held by parasite.
So clearly I’m right because Dofy has the DF power advantage.
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No way they're more durable than Doflamingo. Doffy needed Gamma Knife busting his organs, an onslaught from Bounce Man, and Luffy's most powerful technique to finally put him down. Katakuri required a lot less power to be taken down.
This is just you restating your argument with no supportive evidence. Skip.
Except Bounce Man didn't succeed against Doflamingo. Doflamingo was ALREADY weakened within an inch of death, and using Bounce Man still ended with Luffy exhausted without Haki and Doflamingo stomping to him with his Awakened threads.
We see that Snake Man is weaker than Bounce Man by the fact that Bounce Man sends Katakuri flying when it hits him, but Katakuri takes several blows directly from Snake Man and isn't moved from the spot he's standing on. The only time Snake Man sends Katakuri flying, it's a visibly shorter distance than when Bounce Man sends him flying.
No it doesn't. Snake Man on Doflamingo would just result in him being hit by blows he can't block, but are too slow to knock him out. Luffy hit Doflamingo with Bounce Man after he was weakened, and it couldn't knock him out. And you think the G4 form with less offensive power would do the job.
Show me ONE instance of something weakening Luffy as much as Doffy was weakened that wasn't the result of Doflamingo's powers. I'll wait.
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They are more durable than Doflamingo and both Luffy and Dogtooth fought with their organs torn out for hours taking on the onslaught of SnakeMan before collapsing. The difference is that Doflamingo stitched his ruptured organs with his DF while Luffy and Katakuri kept theirs open fighting with internal bleeding.
Doflamingo doesn't even compare to the two and you'd have to be an idiot to say others.
Zoro gets his organs impaled by Mihawk in part 1, takes one step closer further injuring himself, and then fights the Arlong pirates the next day taking out the second strongest guy. Lucci in water 7 impales Luffy's organs right down the middle of his body in his Zoan fruit transformed state, finger nearly covered Luffy's whole entire torso, Luffy later gets up eats meat and tells Blueno or Lucci that he got over it. Yet here you are using a stitched up organ as an excuse.
Because you keep proving my point on how idiotic you are for Doflamingo. Being more durable than Dogtooth and Luffy? What the hell is wrong with you and this senseless wanking?
1. BounceMan did succeed because BounceMan knocked him out cold.
2. Doflamingo was not within an inch of his life and to say that is the most retarded thing to say even for a senseless fanboy such as yourself. Whitebeard was beaten within an inch of his life, Doflamingo was not. He suffered one attack that he later made up for by sealing it so he has no excuses. Go look at Luffy and Dogtooth with an impaled organ fighting for hours without complaining and you tell me how that feels bleeding for hours. Your excuse is pathetic.
SnakeMan sent Dogtooth flying the same distance BounceMan did right into a pillar (It was clearly the same distance so don't even start that nonsense):
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Luffy was weakened as BounceMan and Leo Bazooka put out Doflamingo for a few seconds before gaining consiousness again. SnakeMan being weaker in any way is just a stupid speculation, especially when it sent Dogtooth flying back and forth by it and Black mamaba eventually knocked him out. Doflamingo gets put on his ass just by getting hit by a Red Hawk, so SnakeMan will destroy him no contest.
TankMan will do the same anytime Doflamingo runs in for the assault.
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That is ALL OUTSIDE STUPID.
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Nope.
Aside from the fact that Katakuri and Luffy didn't have wounded organs and Luffy almost bled to death from the fight without medical treatment, it still remains that Katakuri took less hits to put down than Doffy did, and those hits were from a mode that hits with less impact than the mode that hit Doflamingo.
Because in none of these cases was anyone actually struck in the organs.
It's only a problem for you because you think that one character being stronger than another means they're superior in every category, when that isn't the case. Character A can be slower or less durable or have less destructive power than character B while being overall stronger.
It didn't because Luffy needed to use Bounce Man twice with the help of Law and the colosseum fighters to knock Doffy out. Luffy vs Doffy, 1 vs 1, 100% fresh ends with Luffy running out of Bounce Man while Doflamingo is still awake.
Except Doflamingo himself said he didn't heal himself. He still had internal bleeding and still felt the pain from the attack, and he was visibly weaker once he and Luffy started fighting with his strength fluctuating throughout the fight.
It's not the same distance at all. We even see this demonstrated by the fact that Luffy is closer in Snake Man once Katakuri stops moving than when he stopped moving with Bounce Man, and we even see the difference in power from the fact that Katakuri is able to stabilize himself from Snake Man the moment his feet hit the ground, but Bounce Man sends him flying backwards even once he's found his footing from the sheer power.
Doflamingo was never unconscious from Leo Bazooka or the first usage of Bounce Man. If he was, the Bird Cage would have disappeared. Luffy and Law themselves say this OUT LOUD.
The fact that Bounce Man sent Katakuri flying back further while multiple hits from Snake Man didn't budge him at all says everything that needs to be said.
I never said Luffy didn't take heavy damage, genius. I said show me where Luffy took damage from anything that wasn't the result of Doffy's powers. Which you have yet to do.
The Gamma Knife was absolutely more damaging than anything Luffy got outside of Doffy, because the only damage Luffy sustained that didn't come from Doflamingo was from Bellamy. And if you're saying that Bellamy did the same amount of damage as Gamma Knife, then you're the one fanboying hard.
The panel of Doflamingo flying to slice at Law is before he blows the hole to the outside in the palace walls...
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Totally disagree with you
we all Saw how Law a shichibukai played a big role in decreases Doffy's power
we all Saw how luffy was fainted after using G4 thinking he defeated Doffy
while doffy was walking and looking for luffy and the village carried him and runaway from doffy
until he recovers
those are FACTS
Now the question is
if luffy is stronger than doffy why he was fainted and Doffy was walking and searching from him ?
why in the plot there is someone Helping luffy by carrying him and runaway ?
why Law was there in the fight and damaged Doffy internal Organs
and Helped luffy alot who was an open Target for Doffy in that moment
the differences ( with all due respect ) my friend between us and you
we brought FACTS from the Manga that Luffy Needed Help in that Victory
and you have assumptions
in this Topic as i said it's Man VS Man with no Help and No bullcrap like what we saw
we all Saw how Law a shichibukai played a big role in decreases Doffy's power
we all Saw how luffy was fainted after using G4 thinking he defeated Doffy
while doffy was walking and looking for luffy and the village carried him and runaway from doffy
until he recovers
those are FACTS
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Now the question is
if luffy is stronger than doffy why he was fainted and Doffy was walking and searching from him ?
why in the plot there is someone Helping luffy by carrying him and runaway ?
why Law was there in the fight and damaged Doffy internal Organs
and Helped luffy alot who was an open Target for Doffy in that moment
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the differences ( with all due respect ) my friend between us and you
we brought FACTS from the Manga that Luffy Needed Help in that Victory
and you have assumptions
in this Topic as i said it's Man VS Man with no Help and No bullcrap like what we saw
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No he hasn't....G2 was too weak to scratch Doffy and G3 was too slow hence why he needed G4 but 1 G4 couldn't finish Doffy off so to get to my point, until he can completely eliminate the 10 min break after G4, he will be vulnerable against anyone that is strong as Doffy or stronger aka Yonkos and their commenders.....Examples: vs Cracker, he needed Nami/Cracker's biscuits and running away to stay in the fight long enough for Luffy to draw out Cracker also vs Katakuri where he needed Brulee to runaway after the first G4
what G2 did to Doffy:
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WRONG.
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Nope.
1. Dogtooth had his organs impaled.
2. Dogtooth took more hits than Doflamingo did, Doflamingo got hit 5-6 times in total against G4 Luffy while Dogtooth took 3 hits by BounceMan and a 4 big hits from Snakeman + Black mamba barrage.
3. Snakman being a lesser mode is fanfic
You're retarded. All of it was in their organs especially Luffy's. His whole entire stomach was punctured.
No the problem is that you're Doflamingo retarded to anything Doflamingo related, and these guys showed that their durability is way greater than Dofy especially Luffy's. Luffy is one of the most durable resilient person the show and his Impel down+Marineford feats of durability surpasses Doflamingo's by a whole lifetime that it puts the gama knife excuse to shame. Dogtooth's feats with Luffy, with Luffy included beat Doflamingo's in ever single category possible. The fight lasted 10 hours and Dogtooth impaled his organs fighting for hours while bleeding out no help no stitching. Speed was able to catch up to SnakeMan Luffy, G2 blitzed Doflammingo so I'm not even gonna need to cover that. Haki easily suprasses Doflamingo even you know that. Power/Strength ragdolled BounceMan and SnakeMan for a bit which Doflamingo could not do.
Wrong. None of the colosseum fighters fought Doflamingo, the royal guards attempted to by couldn't even reach him. Doflamingo used C block fighters to fight Luffy, elite officers, guards, trebol, etc to fight Luffy while getting pummeled away at Bellamy before fighting Doflamingo. He was covered in blood.
1 v 1 against a 100% Luffy ends with Luffy smashing Doflamingo's face wide open. Luffy in G4 can last for hours in 100% but a weakened Luffy only lasted 20 minutes tops. Use your head and not your dick for once when it comes to Doflamingo.
1. Except Doflamingo stitched his ruptured organs up so he did not have any internal bleeding during his fight with G4 otherwise that would mean he ruptured it again.
2. Luffy had internal bleeding when Dogtooth's mochi thrust ripped up his organs, that's still not an excuse. This is just pathetic.
3. His strength didn't fluctuate Mr. fanfic. String powers have nothing to do with your physical condition
4. Rest is more fanfic bullshit
1. It's not the same distance so you can argue all you want I have the scans
2. Wrong! Dogtooth got up from the rubble in the first scan, the second one showed Dogtooth standing on his two feat when hit by BounceMan, he didn't fall down once. Can't say the same for Dofy.
Luffy and Law did not say that Doflamingo was never unconscious OUT LOUD. They said that it wasn't enough. Dofy was temporarily out against the wall otherwise he's a bitch for playing possum and just proves my point that he's buying more time for Luffy to run out. of steam
Stupid logic but since we're playing that game, I'll do you one better. Multiple hits wasn't able to budge Cracker's solders when against BounceMan but SnakeMan sent Katakuri flying though some pillars and on the floor.
Try Bellmay for starters and everyone in the coliseum that he fought. The whole freakin arc fought Luffy.
Based on what fanboying useless assumption? He ruptured organs and stitched it back up. That's one attack. Luffy dealt with several and received internal bleeding when coughing up blood out of his mouth.
Basically you're telling me that Luffy after defeating Crocodile's durability>>> Doflamingo's durability
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The fight is outside, go read the manga again because clearly you're too busy wanking Dofy. The whole fight started outside you stubborn dumbass:
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