[VS] Doflamingo VS luffy (Rematch)
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Rikudou Tobi
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We are friends but I need you to know this fact before we continue.
Luffy walked into the battle weakened. Doflamingo said so himself
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A weakened Luffy can only last 20 minutes in G4 but against Cracker and Dogtooth, Luffy lasted for several hours in Gear 4.
Doflamingo had help from everyone in dressrosa and Luffy did not recover from all the fights he had until meeting Doflamingo.
Don't forget the help he had and the worst thrashing he had from Bellamy before fighting:
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Luffy received much more but this was the last damage he received before fighting Dofy. Luffy's been losing stamina and gaining damages since he entered the tournament. While Dofy only Gamma knife from law before fighting Luffy.
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Interesting point and you are right Luffy did fought Bellmey Before Doffy
But you know he can easily Finish Bellamy off but it was like an emotional fight
he was avoiding bellamy because he was controlled by doffy
you can't compare between a fight that was for emotional purposes and no kill intention from luffy
and between a kill intention and a Fatal move from a Shichibukai Called Law
no comparison at all the Damage was big to doffy it was internal to the organs unlike Luffy
you can't Compare bellemey to Law ! !
let's assume that luffy was hurt badly from bellamy like doffy from Law ( which is not true )
then who was standing and walking and who was carried away ?
answer this question and the questions above highlighted with Blue please
But you know he can easily Finish Bellamy off but it was like an emotional fight
he was avoiding bellamy because he was controlled by doffy
you can't compare between a fight that was for emotional purposes and no kill intention from luffy
and between a kill intention and a Fatal move from a Shichibukai Called Law
no comparison at all the Damage was big to doffy it was internal to the organs unlike Luffy
you can't Compare bellemey to Law ! !
let's assume that luffy was hurt badly from bellamy like doffy from Law ( which is not true )
then who was standing and walking and who was carried away ?
answer this question and the questions above highlighted with Blue please
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Currently, Luffy can't defeat Doflamingo by his own effort alone. Luffy hasn't recovered from the 10 minutes rest to regenerate few energy to continue his battle. This is one of cons of G4.
This topic is annoyingly been repeated and perhaps some people won't get it on their heads that simply "Luffy can't".
This topic is annoyingly been repeated and perhaps some people won't get it on their heads that simply "Luffy can't".
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Proof?
Luffy was able to last hours in G4 against Cracker because he was eating his biscuits and replenishing his energy. Against Katakuri, he did the same when he ate his mochi(eating has been shown and stated multiple times to replenish Luffy's stamina), and he STILL had timing out issues with G4 and had to take breaks during his fight with Katakuri.
Luffy ate after the one tournament round he was in, so whatever energy he expended during it was replenished. The tournament had no impact on his fight with Doffy. He also had no fights before meeting Doffy, he only had moments where he traded shot off one or two attacks at Pica, Fuji, and some Toys before running again. Even the running didn't affect him as he was being carried for most of it by Cavendish's horse and by Ucy.
The only things that weakened Luffy were Doflamingo and Bellamy being controlled by Doflamingo.
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Your organs aren't located at the side of your torso/stomach, genius.
Nope.
Katakuri wasn't hit by the Black Mamba barrage. He blocked it and then dodged it to hit Luffy.
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Except a fully healthy Doffy was able to swat away a Jet Pistol, while a weakened Doffy could blitz G4 Luffy and effortlessly dodge a Hawk Bazooka.
Yeah, because superior power and ragdolling Bounce Man and Snake Man allowed Katakuri to win, right? Not to mention that Doflamingo was able to keep Bounce Man on the defense for 20 minutes.
Aside from the fact that we see Doflamingo stitching himself back up a second time, stitching up his organs wouldn't put the blood that already bled into his body back into his veins, nor would it nullify the pain.
The fact that Doflamingo went from swatting away Jet Pistols and blocking Jet Gatlings without any effort to being unable to see a Bazooka until it was at his chest and then went onto dodge Gear Second, react to Gear Fourth, and blitz G4 at one point means it's fact that his strength fluctuated.
You're right, we can see that the distance Snake Man sends him flying through is much shorter
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lmfao are you dumb? Bird Cage goes away when he's unconscious. Luffy and Law both wonder if he's knocked out, and look up at the Bird Cage and conclude he's not down because it's still there.
That just means Cracker's defense is better than Katakuri's. Which makes sense since Katakuri's entire fighting style revolves around letting blows pass through him while Cracker focuses on blocking blows, and Katakuri's stamina is lower than Luffy's, the person he was much more pow
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Wrong. Luffy eating Crackers did not replenish Luffy's stamina because once once Luffy used Tankman he passed out to the point that he couldn't move after the fight and fell asleep:
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Luffy's stamina did not replensih when he ate his way out of the Mochi, that's the stupidest excuse you have even more than the Gamma knife thing. Luffy ate out of the Mochi before he even used Gear 4 so you're looking really stupid right now.
One this argument as usual.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard :|
Luffy ate a whole life time supply of biscuits and he passed out after using one move weakened with no energy left to fight, yet when he fought Dogtooth as BounceMan he was able to run into cocoa island, dodge the ministers, and use Gear 3 as well before finding a place for his Haki to recover and Luffy didn't eat anything during or after he used BounceMan.
So drop the fanfic and stop using running gags as an argument. Check 2 you lost this one.
Yes it is you dumbass. That was right down to the left abdominal area
Yep.
Katakuri wasn't hit by the Black Mamba barrage. He blocked it and then dodged it to hit Luffy.
Except that a weakened luffy in water had his jet pistol swatted away, a fully healthy luffy's red hawk put Doflamingo's ass down. Base luffy swatted away Dofy and his string clown in base form. Dodged the hawk bazooka because like I said earlier he was outside. He flew passed it because of the clouds. Go in the mirror world and he gets pummeled.
Except that Doflamingo did not keep G4 on the defense and it was Luffy who was on the offense the whole time. If G4 was on the defense for 20 minutes, then that explains why he was smashing his face in the whole time right?
Does this look like keeping G4 Luffy on the defense for 20 minutes?
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You want to see how BounceMan got pummeled? It goes like this:
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No he didn't you fanfic dumbass.
Except that he didn't and G4 was smashing him all over the place, being able to react to G4 doesn't mean anything. He didn't dodge any of his Gear 4 attacks all 5-6 of them landed on him.
So clearly his strength didn't fluctuate because fanfic. Doflamingo is outside with the cloud mobility advantage, his strings are the one keeping him flying and dodging in the air, his physical body is not. Do you need more excuse or are you going to say that his strings are responsible for keeping him from using his legs and arm too?
That's a snap sfx of Luffy's arm you dumbass. Katakuri was right in front of him:
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Are you retarded or do you not read? Luffy and Law didn't say anything you just posted and Doflamingo was slipping in and out of consciousness after that Leo Bazooka attack. Same thing happened with Moria and all the shadows.
Look:
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Because if you're telling me that Doflamingo was playing possum, then that means he's hiding like a little bitch.
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This is exactly why you go ass bent retarded for Doflamingo. Look at this stupidity.
Except no I beat you in everything without 0 effort. You even deleted the Lucci impaling the Luffy argument because you realized that you were wrong.
This is only natural.
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Yes but it still weakened him though and that's the point I'm trying to make. Take everybody else that was fighting on Doflamingo's behalf with a 100% Luffy vs a !00% DOflamingo and Luffy will win because in his 100% healthy fights he's fought stronger people for 10-11 hours while the Doflamingo one cut down to 20 minutes with no TankMan or no SnakeMan.
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, so all he did was cause internal bleeding without any
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openings so that you can't repair it. Little did Law know is that Doflamingo can repair his organs without an external wound defeating the purpose of his attack of making Dofy bleed out to death.Luffy on the other hand has had his organs ruptured by Lucci and by Dogtooth's Mochi thrust, yet he still fought for hours against him as SnakeMan. So what's the excuse for Dofy? He suffered injury from 1 attack.
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Because he used the energy for Tank Man lmfao
Eating adds to Luffy's reserves. That's undeniable facts. In Enie's Lobby, when he's tired, he eats food and says he's replenished. When Lucci says he was weaker at the tower, Luffy stated he ate meat. After fighting Cracker, we see Gear Fourth burning through the food he ate.
Take it up with Oda for having Gear Fourth work on calories and Luffy being revived from food, not me
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According to Oda in the SBS, there is no cool-down with Gear Fourth that prevents Luffy from moving. He can always run around once Gear Fourth ends.
Your organs are not that far to the edges of your body lmao. At the sides of your torso and stomach, there are no organs. Just muscle and nerves, because having those organs to the sides is detrimental when there's danger.
Yes, ignore the panels of Katakuri blocking the Black Mamba and then dodging the rest of them so that none of them hit him and deal damage.
Luffy wasn't standing in water when he shot the Jet Pistol, he was
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. It also doesn't change that Doffy went from blocking a Jet Gatling after it started to being unable to see a Hawk Bazooka to dodging a Jet attack to blitzing G4. The Red Hawk was stated to not work on Doffy, and that the only reason it even hit him and did any kind of damage was because it was a sneak attack. Gear Two isn't doing shit to Doffy 1 vs 1.Also, what makes you think Doffy wouldn't be able to fly in the Mirro-World? He can attach his strings to WATER VAPOR in order to fly, and you think he can't just attach them to walls in order to fly the same way? Not to mention that if Doffy can't fly, he can just carry himself around with Awakened threads.
Luffy states that if he doesn't hurry up, G4 will run out[
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]. After Doflamingo brings out Awakening, the very next page starts with
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, and we see that Luffy is being tossed around by Awakening during King Riku's speech. [
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]The only thing this demonstrates is that Katakuri has more offensive power than Doflamingo. You know who else he had more offensive power than? Luffy. Who walked away from that fight, again?
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That's the impact point from where Luffy hit Katakuri...why would Oda use an impact bubble meters in front of Luffy to indicate his arm snapping back to his shoulder lmfaooo
If Doffy slipped out of consciousness at any point, the Bird Cage would have dissipated. Law and Luffy both comment on the fact that the Bird Cage is still up, confirming he was never unconscious themsevles.
I didn't delete the argument I already addressed it and you added nothing new.
Well, no, katakuri had never ever been hit, until luffy either upset him and he never lost a fight until, luffy started seeing in the future as well. So, that being said, luffy would no longer ever get hit, unless his opponent could also see in the future, which so far, only people like, Rayleigh, katakuri, or the yonko can do. (Assuming yonko can beat katakuri, and if they could, than they can see in the future as well) it was already implied in luffy fight, and by Rayleigh, that if your opponent can see in the future. And you can't, than you can't win
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Didn't Katakuri say at the end that that was all BS. Anyway, Luffy gets stronger after every arc so he's definitely stronger than doffy now.
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:lol No :|
100% Luffy still has energy to move and fight after Gear 4 is done:
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So food does not increase Luffy's stamina.
Eating does not add to Luffy's reserves, that's an undeniable fact.
Luffy said that he was hungry, he didn't say that he was tired or out of stamina. Learn how to read stupid
Look up above. Luffy without nothing to eat still had energy after he first used Gear 4 against Dogtooth yet against Cracker he passed out. Food doesn't increase his stamina.
You need stamina/energy to run and fight in Gear 3 so once again this further proves my point that food doesn't increase Luffy's stamina. This was already stated in the manga which you argued against in another thread:
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Once again you're a dumbass that is willing to contradict all simple basic logic for the sake of Doflamingo
:lol You're retarded. Dogtooth's trident wasn't at the far edges of both of their body, it was exactly impaled inside of his large intestine. If that was the edge of his body, Dogtooth wouldn't of had the shaft of the trident sticking out of his torso.
Still got hit, don't know why you're coming up with this useless argument.
1. That's base Luffy and that wasn't Jet pistol. Even
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2. This doesn't make sense but blocking Jet gatling is not a speed feat if he's blocking. He dodged Hawk gatling because of clouds, he was outside flying. Hawk had enough speed and power to put Dofy on the groung
More fanfic. WATER VAPOR? how pathetic does your excuse get? Doflamingo showed no such thing and as far as manga goes Doflamingo cannot fly without clouds because Oda> you:
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1. Luffy wasn't getting tossed around in Gear 4 by dofy's awakening, he was dodging every single one of them:
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2. The whole Gear 4 fight was twenty minutes. He siad by the time it reaches
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. None of that happened.And it means that Doflamingo's offensive power is inferior and his stamina is inferior along with his durability
Once again dumbass, fanfic. Doflamingo didn't rupture his strings again, he never said it and it was never shown either. Try again stupid.
All he did was just wake up in that scan. He didn't say that Luffy ruptured his organs from Leo Bazooka, and it doesn't show his organs being ruptured internal either.
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are you retard? the impact bubble is right above his hand, you can even see the "clink" sfx next to it. Oda's done this many times before every time Luffy snaps back his arm No it wouldn't other wise Moria would released all his shadows when he was going in and out of consciousness.
No you deleted it because you lost. Unless right now you're telling me that Lucci did not impale Luffy's organs
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This doesn't disprove that point at all.
"Learn how to read," says the guy who completely misses Luffy saying that eating revived him.
Except Luffy was fighting Katakuri with the food from Sanji, from Bege, from the cake, and the food from Mochi in his stomach. So he was fighting Katakuri with food in his stomach.
Oda also notes that Luffy is capable of running any time after he uses Gear Fourth, he just can't use Haki. The only reasons he didn't run after fighting Cracker is because he had no need to and he was too fat, not because he lacked the energy. In fact, when he sees Sanji's carriage, the first thing he does is run over to Sanji and leap onto the carriage, showing he wasn't incapable of moving or too tired to run around.
Tell that to Luffy stating that food revives him.
Nope. We can see with both of them that the damage is to the side of their torso.
WHAT? Blocking a move and then NOT BEING HIT BY IT is not getting hit by it.
Smoke around his arm marks it as a Jet Pistol. Also, very dumb argument to make since that was pre-skip Luffy.
And even if that wasn't a Jet Pistol:
1. The fact that Doffy went from swatting away a base move to getting tagged by base Luffy shortly after Gamma Knife still demonstrates a drop in power
2. The fact that Doffy could react to a Jet Gatling after it started but failed to notice a Hawk Bazooka until it was at his chest still demonstrates a drop in power
3. The fact that Doffy failed to react to the Bazooka and then reacted to not only it but G4 demonstrates a fluctuation in power.
Doesn't matter if he does it by flying or foot speed, it's still a feat of him dodging it. Also, blocking Jet Gatling is a speed feat because it shows that Doffy has the reaction time to notice the Jet Gatling and the physical speed to put up a guard before it hits him.
I see you don't know what clouds are.
and as far as manga goes Doflamingo cannot fly without clouds because Oda> you:
That's because he's in open waters. There's nothing else but clouds to cling to.
Except for the panel I linked above where Luffy bounced off the Awakened string that drew blood on impact.
Factually incorrect as Doffy brings out Awakening after a few moments of Gear Fourth and then the manga skips 20 minutes of what happens after that.
The panels you linked does absolutely nothing to show that Doffy has inferior stamina/durability.
Sound effects at his hand while it's at his stomach refutes this.
you really have no sense of depth perception. The clink effect is his arm, the impact bubble isn't.
What? This is a completely different Devil Fruit. It has no bearing on how Doffy's fruit works.
Nope, he didn't. Not to mention that even if he did, people with stab wounds to the stomach survive all the time IRL and these are normal people, so that isn't even in the same league as Law ripping all of Doffy's internal organs
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Why should the words of someone who looks down on the whole world and thinks everyone is beneath him should be taken seriously? He also asked if he should kill Isho right then and there. His opinion is hardly trustworthy
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Curious how on NarutoBase you’ll see people hyping Zoro by saying that his one-armed slash pushed Fujitora back after clashing with his gravity, and will then turn around and say “Oh yeah, Fuji stomps Doffy, no question.”
So according to you, Zoro casually pushing back an admiral with just a flying slash is not hype worthy?
With just a flying slash? You act like a flying slash isn't a big deal when only 2 people have ever shown to be able to do a flying slash without a df. Zoro and mihawk . And only two people have ever shown a flying slash WITH there df. Fuji and law
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I mean it does because Luffy doesn't gain stamina from eating, he passed out. Luffy without food still had stamina left after he finished using Gear 4 the first time against Katakuri but he had 0% left after Gear 4 against Cracker and he ate prior to that transformation.
No, it's says the guy that knows that words revive≠stamina, which you fail at comprehending. He also said that he was hungry not tired, stupid. Try again.
Luffy drank milk you desperate dumbass, and Luffy at food to keep him from shriveling up. He did not have a full stomach and he didn't even expand. And if you really want to get technical here since you're acting really stupid right now.
Luffy clashed with Big mom in Gear 4, used G3, and ran from Big mom before fighting Dogtooth. So Luffy had no food right before the fight, therefore you're wrong.
1. @Bold I told you this a while ago, you denied it:
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2. Yet Luffy was knocked out due to fatigue, hence why food doesn't do shit with his stamina.
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Better yet, I'll tell you that stamina does not mean revival. How about that?
Nope. The pole was sticking out of his torso.
Still got hit. It's funny how you're not seeing this.
Smoke wasn't coming out of his body, it wasn't jet pistol stupid. And so what? base luffy is base luffy. Try comparing pre timeskip alabasta luffy's punches to the one luffy threw at Doflamingo.
That's because Luffy was ricocheting his punches and kicks in cqc, the same way how base Luffy tagged
Dogtooth (100% health):
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and Crocodile:
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He was only able to block it not dodge it, that's not react well. Every other time he's dodge well is because of the clouds outside.
Don't know what you're talking about, G4 still hit him, he couldn't dodge a single one.
No it does matter because strings are pulling him in the air and he's not using his feet. So it's not a speed feat.
I clearly see that you don't know what clouds are because last time I checked, water vapor are npt water droplets or ice crystals.
Doflamingo only cling on to clouds to fly in the air, it stop short because their were no more clouds to cling on to. Why tf do you think Law asked the straw hats if anyone can control clouds?
Except he wasn't because there was no blood.
Wrong, the fight happened in 20 minutes. Manga says so.
Except it does because Dogtooth fought Luffy for 10hrs and Doflamingo could not. Dogtooth tanked G4 and never landed on his back, while Doflamingo was laying down confused. Dogtooth with a pool sticking out of his torso (impaled organs) fought Luffy for hrs, Luffy needed to increase his speed even more yet Doflamingo turns into a bitch and all of a sudden can't move or tank punches according to your fanfic theory.
The "Ba-bump" and the "shrp" sfx refutes this.
Says the guy who failed to see a pivoted sfx bubble to the left of Luffy's hands while Katakuri was punched across when he was linear to Luffy's body.
You sound stupid right now
This basic devil fruit concept, which you are failing to grasp.
You're fucking retarded. I hope you know that the stomach is an internal organ you dumbass?
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Appently Doflamingo attacking Admiral Issho without even being able to push him back 1 centimeter is more hype worthy than what Zoro did. A while ago he called Doflamingo Admiral level because of that.
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