[Discussion] Doflamingo is Admiral Level | Funny Facts

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes he wanted to do it. I know and it was because his sister. No debate here. He did because his sister, not because he wanted to fight evenly. He was still superior than Luffy at this point.

Doing it because of his sister IS fighting evenly, do you not understand English? There's no arguing here because I'm right. Enough said about that just learn how to read what I said properly before you make yourself look bad. I already mentioned that Dogtooth had the advantage in that fight, so he evened it by stabbing himself.

But what part of being an attack to kill a person already is not understandable? Doflamingo was not losing only losing blood internally from one organ, it was all his organs that were destroyed. Doflamingo uses his strings to stitch together his internal organs that have been injured, acting as a rudimentary form of first aid; however, this is only a temporary measure as this does not heal him, just minimizes further damages (this was evidenced during the final stage of his battle with Luffy, when Doflamingo was still suffering some pain of Law's Gamma Knife time after). Gamma Knife, Jet Stamping, Counter shock all hit defenseless Doflamingo, Law didnt even matter if he died since he thought that with his attacks Doflamingo should already be dead.

And I know stabbing your organs damages you. Now, if you think this didnt affect the performance of Doflamingo then you are saying that Law is Bullshit and his attacks are in the level of a mere filler. Luffy acknowledges that Law's attacks are affecting Doflamingo.

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There is no denying this, denying this is just denying a fact and matter if you agreed or no, facts will remain facts like it or not.

All this long talk is useless because I've already repeated this issue before and I already posted this before too.

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The fact is that stitching his ruptured organs back up prevented him from any further internal bleeding, which is the purpose of Gamma knife, so having a bruised internal organ did not affect the way he used his devil fruit or haki. In fact he was moving just fine right here:

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All he did was receive damage, which Luffy suffered too so there's no excuses because many people from Part 1 received the same amount of damage Doflamingo did yet they still remained fighting.

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. Even Arlong made a comment and said that he should've been dead from those wounds

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So having your organs ruptured isn't an excuse for someone who is Warlord level, people have had their organs stabbed before yet still continued to fight. Just look at

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Even Luffy got his

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then pushes a small portion of the city apart:

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Point is that people have had their organs ruptured and stabbed before, yet they still didn't use them as an excuse like what you're doing right now.

Say that again after seeing this:

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After Katakuri stabbed him with his trident, Luffy was getting beated and could not avoid the hits, even Katakuri saw how Luffy lost strength. Yuo might say it was his Sister, but her needle just made possible

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that Luffy stopped.

How about you repeat that after seeing this:

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Looks like you like to do selective reading because if you read any further, you would've seen Luffy get back up after he got stabbed/beaten and then stalemate punch Dogtooth's biggest Power Mochi with his G3 elephant punch. Nice try, read carefully next time.

It had nothing to do with his performance. And nobody walked into that fight at full power, even Doflamingo noted that Luffy is weakened too:

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This is my text so you messed up on the quoting reply.

What parts are not covered with Haki? When was this said? And no, Luffy does not need Gear 4 to fight them, he need gear 4 to destroy them. With gear 2 and 3 he could also fight and maybe, this is me, even destroy them with gear 2 and 3 once they have been soften with Nami's rain. It took 3 days for Luffy to recover consciousness after he defeated Doflamingo yet still had damage, but with Cracker, the only hit he got was the cut of his arm and after he won, it took a little nap and then he was receiving a beat up of Sanji. Nami did help Luffy, but that doesnt mean he could beat him without here and that is just saying that Cracker is stronger than Katakuri and that is not true.

What is wrong with you? Is English not your first language?
Nami putting rain on Cracker's soldiers are not going to make the biscuits soft if arms haki is covering it. That's why Luffy will need G4 to break the parts that are covered in haki. Again, read properly.
And stop this senseless speculation, I never said that Cracker's haki is stronger than Dogtooth. You just simply don't know how to read properly.

Then Elephant Gun would be stronger than Kong Gun since it is bigger. Right? Of course not. Where is it said it wastes more Haki and is stronger? Tank Man cant even walk, cant even give a punch, a kick and you think is stronger? Tank Man is just that, to tank hits and as far doesnt work for anything else. Cracker not perforating him does not mean that tank man gear 4 has stronger Haki, since the only difference of Base Haki and Gear 4th Haki of Luffy is that Gear 4 keeps his rubber properties. It does use more since it is continuously and in almost the whole body. If using just more Haki makes you stronger, then anyone can just use all his haki in a punch and win.

More haki=More power so that's a terrible example.

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Look at the raw, I could not find a picture, but look at the video of Youtube. It clearly shows the author words there.

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And like I said, Luffy did not use more times Gear 4 in those 11 hours, he did fight, ok, true, but his battle strategy was eat, fight, run, he was not fighting seriously and since he had the biscuits soften, there was no need to use Gear 4 always.

Well you're wrong because you don't know japanese in fact you don't know how to translate it properly. As far as canon goes Viz manga>>>Anything you think or have to say. This isn't even up for debate.
Luffy used G4 enough said. Cracker uses Haki against Luffy so he'll need G4 to break through the biscuits covered in haki.

There is no proof he has stronger Haki. Luffy weakness is cuts, it was a sneaky attack and his arm was already stretched therefore thinner. If his armament Haki was stronger, the Biscuits wont have been broken with Kong Gun and Doflamingo should have his bones broken.

There is proof that his haki is vastly stronger than Dofy's, you're just in denial. Doflamingo's strings cuts and so does his kicks:

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Yet all of them were useless again G4 Luffy. Even when Dofy attacked Luffy to the side:

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Well it is not like he would tank attacks even if they were weaker, I could say the same, Luffy dodged Doflamingo's attacks, the problem is that he didnt make any effective hits just as Cracker after that only hit he did. And there is no guaranty that his main body is stronger than his Biscuits Soldiers, it is true they are more durable but stronger is debatable. But lets say it is true, but as I told you, tank man does not have stronger Haki it is the same Haki. Tank man is just bigger and his body is all most fully covered unlike Bound Man.

Tank Man is just as when he is inflated with air to tank hits and that is true and has the same principle as the scan I already posted, double the attacks power.

And author just says general gear 4 uses a lot of Haki, not only Tank Man or that is uses more.

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Nope, Luffy tanked Dofy's attacks in G4 BounceMan too:

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TankMan uses more Haki because after he uses it, it burns through his calories making him smaller and he falls asleep. With BounceMan all it did was make Luffy lose haki for 10 minutes but he did not shrink and he was able to carry Brulee while running away. Common sense tells you that TankMan is stronger because it increase in size and haki. Even Luffy told Doflamingo that the reason why he created Gear 4 in the first place is to increase his size and resiliency to take down bigger monsters. Same thing with King Kong Gun:

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So to say that size does not make it stronger is just ignorance on your part.

The same strength of Haki, but it covers more in size not in power.

No it required more stamina to use TankMan hence more Haki. If Luffy used BounceMan instead and somehow won, Luffy would've never shrunk or fall asleep like he did when he was using 1 of Tankman's attack.

If he were stronger he could have fought him and not his biscuits.

Cracker's biscuits are for defense so you're completely wrong. If his main body's haki was not stronger than his biscuits then his biscuits would've cut G4 luffy's haki like his main body did.

I showed that Doflamingo could keep the speed of Gear 4 with his body, but not in raw power. Also, Doflamingo kick did bend Luffy, it was not an effective hit but it also wasnt weak. And once Doflamingo use awakening he hit Luffy several times but they were effective hits. I already posted the scan where you can see the hits, but here are again:

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Hits, not effective since Luffy was dodging, but hits.

This is completely wrong because G4 Luffy completely blitzed the shit out of Doflamingo. I'll post it again:

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So Doflamingo needed to use his awakening to keep Luffy at distance because the more strings he produce the more Luffy's resiliency bounces him away from Dofy's body. So he needed to bounce around them to land a clean hit on him. You can see this as he decided to blast through the strings due to the time limit:

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Knock off no, send him flying yes. And after awakening Luffy only hitted once Doflamingo while it was Doffy hitting him. And I know that Cracker was using his biscuits for defense, but it is clear Doflamingo can take more hits and that with Cracker he did not even used hald the attacks he used against Doflamingo. He only used Kong Organ and was destroying the biscuits with ease.

5 hits sent Doflamingo flying yet 6 hits from Kong Organ was blocked by Cracker's biscuit soldiers with ease. So there's no debating here that Cracker is obviously better.

 

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Doing it because of his sister IS fighting evenly, do you not understand English? There's no arguing here because I'm right. Enough said about that just learn how to read what I said properly before you make yourself look bad. I already mentioned that Dogtooth had the advantage in that fight, so he evened it by stabbing himself.


All this long talk is useless because I've already repeated this issue before and I already posted this before too.

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The fact is that stitching his ruptured organs back up prevented him from any further internal bleeding, which is the purpose of Gamma knife, so having a bruised internal organ did not affect the way he used his devil fruit or haki. In fact he was moving just fine right here:

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All he did was receive damage, which Luffy suffered too so there's no excuses because many people from Part 1 received the same amount of damage Doflamingo did yet they still remained fighting.

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then went off

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. Even Arlong made a comment and said that he should've been dead from those wounds

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So having your organs ruptured isn't an excuse for someone who is Warlord level, people have had their organs stabbed before yet still continued to fight. Just look at

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and

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Even Luffy got his

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then pushes a small portion of the city apart:

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Point is that people have had their organs ruptured and stabbed before, yet they still didn't use them as an excuse like what you're doing right now.






How about you repeat that after seeing this:

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Looks like you like to do selective reading because if you read any further, you would've seen Luffy get back up after he got stabbed/beaten and then stalemate punch Dogtooth's biggest Power Mochi with his G3 elephant punch. Nice try, read carefully next time.

This is my text so you messed up on the quoting reply.




What is wrong with you? Is English not your first language?
Nami putting rain on Cracker's soldiers are not going to make the biscuits soft if arms haki is covering it. That's why Luffy will need G4 to break the parts that are covered in haki. Again, read properly.
And stop this senseless speculation, I never said that Cracker's haki is stronger than Dogtooth. You just simply don't know how to read properly.



More haki=More power so that's a terrible example.

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Well you're wrong because you don't know japanese in fact you don't know how to translate it properly. As far as canon goes Viz manga>>>Anything you think or have to say. This isn't even up for debate.
Luffy used G4 enough said. Cracker uses Haki against Luffy so he'll need G4 to break through the biscuits covered in haki.


There is proof that his haki is vastly stronger than Dofy's, you're just in denial. Doflamingo's strings cuts and so does his kicks:

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Yet all of them were useless again G4 Luffy. Even when Dofy attacked Luffy to the side:

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Nope, Luffy tanked Dofy's attacks in G4 BounceMan too:

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TankMan uses more Haki because after he uses it, it burns through his calories making him smaller and he falls asleep. With BounceMan all it did was make Luffy lose haki for 10 minutes but he did not shrink and he was able to carry Brulee while running away. Common sense tells you that TankMan is stronger because it increase in size and haki. Even Luffy told Doflamingo that the reason why he created Gear 4 in the first place is to increase his size and resiliency to take down bigger monsters. Same thing with King Kong Gun:

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So to say that size does not make it stronger is just ignorance on your part.


No it required more stamina to use TankMan hence more Haki. If Luffy used BounceMan instead and somehow won, Luffy would've never shrunk or fall asleep like he did when he was using 1 of Tankman's attack.



Cracker's biscuits are for defense so you're completely wrong. If his main body's haki was not stronger than his biscuits then his biscuits would've cut G4 luffy's haki like his main body did.


This is completely wrong because G4 Luffy completely blitzed the shit out of Doflamingo. I'll post it again:

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So Doflamingo needed to use his awakening to keep Luffy at distance because the more strings he produce the more Luffy's resiliency bounces him away from Dofy's body. So he needed to bounce around them to land a clean hit on him. You can see this as he decided to blast through the strings due to the time limit:

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5 hits sent Doflamingo flying yet 6 hits from Kong Organ was blocked by Cracker's biscuit soldiers with ease. So there's no debating here that Cracker is obviously better.

Well who cares hahahaha. I think Doflamingo can beat Cracker and current Luffy in a 1 vs 1. There is a lot of evidence. And about Katakuri, that guy could fight anyone and not lose High Difficult as long he is calm. He could even fight a Yonko as long they are slow or dont have long rang attacks or attacks that could come from all directions.

I think a weakness for people who could see the future is to know how much could they see, for example if they could see 30 seconds in the future then an consecutive attack of more than 30 seconds could hit him, this would be similar to Obito with his kamui, he could use for 5 minutes his Kamui, so Konan made an explosion of more than 5 minutes and severally damaged him. Might be the same situation, you need to know this weakness.

Have you seen the spoilers of chapter 907? The chapter is epic from page 1 to the last page !!!!

 

[kiiro]

It's crazy how the anime deciding to fluff that scene has caused so many to think that WB just beat Akainu's ass as opposed to jumping him and still being unable to put him down.

I know his face was blown off and his organs was destroyed. Yet Akainu also was getting hit hard. According to his subordinates there were attacks easily to avoid but due his medical conditions he could barely avoid hits and still he was old, maybe like Garp or more. He was 72 years, very old.

I know Akainu was also giving hits, but we could say it was an equal fight and we know the conditions of Whitebeard.

He could not for a multitude of political reasons.

Which ones?

Of course they can. Before WB's illness was affecting him, Aokiji and him were trading equal blows. Admirals have shown power on par with(and even exceeded notable feats from) other Emperors like Big Mom and even Whitebeard himself while at Marineford. There has never been anything indicating that the Emperors are stronger than the Admirals like this.

Well we have that there is balance of power between 1 Emperor and Warlors + Marines. So 1 Emperor = Warlords + Marines.
And in the marines we include 4 Admirals, and like 20 Vice Admirals with power like Smoker. If the admirals were Yonkou Level then, they alone would be able to take them down one by one yet new world is govern by them and not the Marines. As we have seen as far, each Yonko would have 3 top commanders with great powers, sweet commanders of big mom, 3 calamities of Kaido and Marco, Ace, Jozu, Vista for Whitebeard. If an Admiral could give a fight and even win, then the other 3 admirals would beat the commanders and maybe with not to much difficult and then help the admiral that is fighting the Yonko to defeat him. While the other Commanders of low category would be fighting the Vice Admirals and the fodder vs the fodders.

There wont be need for Warlords yet they need their power to fight a Yonko. If it is said that there is a balance they this wont make sense since the Marines alone could make the balance.

But holy shit, seeing marineford in manga make you see that Oda doesnt care to put extreme gore in his mange when there is a war. I mean, Whitebeard got all his body destroyed.

Look:

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If it was not for Teach appearing and stopping Whitebeard, Akainu would have been dead. But then it was Teach crew killing him yet WB still gave a beating to Teach:

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And this WB when he died:

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If Whitebeard was in his prime and not sick, he could have Mid Difficult Akainu or any other Admiral. Aokji and Akainu fought 10 days or 5, dont remember and that is hard difficult, but give a little time to WB and he would have killed Akainu in that war.

Why would the Marines want to play on an even playing field with the Yonko? There's still a need for the Shichibukai even with an Admiral being able to beat an Emperor because the Marines are looking for advantages over criminals, not to have a friendly competition with them.

Well it was said that it was a balance, you know balance would be equal. I dont know why and I understand they would need to be superior.

And they decimated the WB pirates. Navy HQ stomped one Emperor and his forces, so it's obvious that the balance of the Three Powers places Navy HQ on par with the force of the Yonko as a collective. Even if the Yonko aren't teaming up against the Marines, it's still the Marines vs all of them.

And would they win if they all team up? Dont think so. That is why it is just for 1 emperor, they are even trembling when they heard Shanks contacted Whitebeard for an alliance.

Luffy and Law needed support from dozens of fighters to ultimately defeat Doflamingo.

Do you think Doflamingo is Admiral level?

Also, Doflamingo said he could beat Fujitora with high difficult and he was only scared of Kaido which could beat him.

 

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Well who cares hahahaha. I think Doflamingo can beat Cracker and current Luffy in a 1 vs 1. There is a lot of evidence. And about Katakuri, that guy could fight anyone and not lose High Difficult as long he is calm. He could even fight a Yonko as long they are slow or dont have long rang attacks or attacks that could come from all directions.

I think a weakness for people who could see the future is to know how much could they see, for example if they could see 30 seconds in the future then an consecutive attack of more than 30 seconds could hit him, this would be similar to Obito with his kamui, he could use for 5 minutes his Kamui, so Konan made an explosion of more than 5 minutes and severally damaged him. Might be the same situation, you need to know this weakness.

Have you seen the spoilers of chapter 907? The chapter is epic from page 1 to the last page !!!!

Luffy beat Doflamingo so that didn’t make sense to me, also Dogtooth would smash Dofy not because of his observation Haki but because of his Power Mochi had enough power to match G4 BounceMan. So he’d send Doflamingo flying all over place that it’s not even funny. No chance.

I didn’t see the spoilers I’ll go check it out