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If you can give someone a high to extreme diff fight you're on their level so the point that has to be made is what diff Doffy could give the Admirals because it's highly unlikely he'd beat one.
[Discussion] Doflamingo is Admiral Level | Funny Facts
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Rikudou Tobi
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You're wasting your time with an idiot nazi who thinks Sabo stalemating an Admiral for several pages if not chapters, is considered losing. Issho didn't land a hit on Sabo and the same thing in return, it was Issho who even stopped the fight in the first place.
Him speculating the level of seriousness is just his stupidity.
Rikudou Tobi
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I was thinking the same thing because his problem was before that his G2 was fast for Dofy but was too weak, and that his G3 was too strong for Dofy but was too slow for Dofy leaving him wide open.
After seeing him fight Dogtooth in base for a while, I'm sure he can fight him without G4 to an extreme diff battle. Same thing with Jimbei imo.
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Still think all Germans are nazis you racist?
But hey...I guess those bruises Sabo had fighting Fujitora was just him slamming his face into the ground and that heavy breathing was all due to Sabo doing jumping jacks the whole time. Toss in Sabo himself saying Fujitora wasn't serious and found it weird...yeah...I guess people who can only pull a nationality card can't comprehend something so simple.
You were thinking Current Luffy extreme diffs Mingo and you also think Croc=Mingo? So you're saying Crocodile extreme diffs G4.....toss in the fact that you think Croc is as strong as Marco or Katakuri in the desert..so you think Crocodile can beat G4 let alone compete with it lol
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What do you mean luffy does it all the time. And bitch as is his dog that he can control ,doffy is the puppeteer the man behide the shadows pulling the strings. To have an admiral as your puppet dog is a feat who is silghtly above or has an advantage over them. If not then why is the world goverment still a thing. Admirals are close to god tier and doffy is still not even is the same league as them so yea.
I understand you, but the way you interprete it is wrong, you avoiding the reason for which he did that. He did not do it just because he wanted, he did because that was the damaged he did to Luffy when his sister send her attack and he did not knew. That is what I am trying to explain. And evenly is both in the same terms but no, he just gave himself an attack.
1.- No I didnt, you are just trying to use some text of scans and twist things, real the whole.
2.- I would quote you down. You said organ and no internal injuries. But ok, we both agreed that it is no external wounds and it makes internal injuries.
3.- It doesn't matter if other had some organs damaged, I am saying that the attack the Doflamingo received is not just damaging his organs, he literally should be dead, that is the difference to have an organ damaged and be literally dead now. Katakuri vs Luffy, both got stabbed in their stomach, and were losing blood, but that doesnt come close to have all your organs damaged and already have died.
And that is the difference, while they cant do something to stop the bleeding, Doflamingo can but nothing takes away he had severely injuries in his organs, even though he avoid the worse which is death. And he did have downgrade, like this just stupid, Luffy and Katakuri did not care about their organs nether so I can asume nothing happened to them?
They resisting the pain is one thing, but not having it is an other thing. You are just trying to make the Doflamingo was at full power or if not, trying to make that his internal injuries have nothing to do with his performance against Gear 4, that is not how thing is, Law and Luffy acknowledges this:
Law said that even someone like Doflamingo should die, he didnt even care if he died since Doflamingo should be dead after the attack.
Law is the freaking best doctor, there is no doubt in his words.
Defenseless Dolamingo receives a Counter Shock which electrocutes everything inside him even after a deadly Gamma Knife
And just Luffy said, there is no way Doflamingo is not affected by it, Luffy even could hit him some time with his gears 2 and 3 after the damaged made by Law
We later see again Doflamingo touching his abdomen to keep fighting
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Law is the freaking best doctor, there is no doubt in his words.
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Defenseless Dolamingo receives a Counter Shock which electrocutes everything inside him even after a deadly Gamma Knife
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And just Luffy said, there is no way Doflamingo is not affected by it, Luffy even could hit him some time with his gears 2 and 3 after the damaged made by Law
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We later see again Doflamingo touching his abdomen to keep fighting
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Ohh no mate. Luffy did not even need Gear 4 to eat them. He ate them even when he could not even move:
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And it has never been stated that Tank Man > Bound Man in power. Doubt Luffy can even do Kong Gun or any other attack, and much less do King Kong Gun. This is just head cannon, in fact, tank man is just a technique of Gear 4 where he blows him as a balloon and doubles the attack, it is just the version of Gear 4:
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And yes, Luffy was eating 11 hours, it is clear, it says it there, "Craker 800 Million Bounty vs Will to Devour" and even though Cracker said Luffy was fighting, well it also said he ran and ate, and if he fought to eat then they were soften by Nami, both of them did not hit each other for 11 hours and Cracker did not try to engage Luffy directly and was clapping his hands.
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First you need to know that Cracker does not have the strongest armament Haki, here is the viz scan:
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And if he could really hurt Luffy then why couldnt he do the same here:
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Cracker's sword was destroyed with one punch together with the main body of the Biscuit. So no, Cracker did cut Luffy (which is his weaknes) but only did it since it was a sneak attack (when Luffy thought he won) and his arm was all stretched.
While Doflamingo strong could challenged double culvarin and even hit multiple time Gear 4th:
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Even though Doflamingo could not give him hits with major damage since this really was a fight (Unlike with Cracker) where Luffy was avoiding get hit as much as possible, he was hitting Luffy and stopping his attacks. He did this with his own body and with his awakening.
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1.- I am looking for the SBS and cant find it, mind to post it. And Doflamingo said he could take down Fujitora, unless you think Doflamingo is Yonko level then this is true. And if Admirals were Yonko Level, then they could take down alone the Yonko's and that is not happening. So no, Yonko > Admiral and this does not contradict any logic.
2.- Who said Luffy was inferior to admirals? We dont know that for sure, mind to post a fight of Gear 4th Luffy vs an Admiral? I bet you cant. I no, Doflamingo was not having a hard time, both Luffy Gear 4th and Doflamingo were fighting with high difficult. I admit Doflamingo had more direct hits once Luffy entered to Gear 4, but when he used his awakening, that stopped until the last leo bazooka. In fact, with the awakening it was Luffy avoiding hits and getting some while Doflaming was stopping them. Read the manga again.
3.- Whitebeard? Dont understand what does this have to do.
4.- Did Law fight Gear 4th Luffy? That is the difference. And even if Law could do that, if he fought he would be still damaged just as Doflamingo was. Being able to do first aids dont be you are already recovered. Look at Luffy that needs to sleep like 3 days after some fights. Doflamingo wounds did have a big role of being defeated like it or not. He did not regenerate them, he just stitched them to not die and keep fighting. Even after the gamma knife he received a counter shock with no protection. Doubt Law could keep fighting.
5.- That is a reason? Really? Well that birdcage was gonna kill everyone including an Admiral. Who know how much energy that wastes.
Wasnt an Admiral gonna die with everyone with birdcage?
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I meant interviews my bad. If Akainu became the protagonist with his strength, he could end OP in a year and you can't find the One Piece without getting past the other yonko and admirals.
Speaking of getting past them, TWICE through Luffy and Chinjao did Oda emphasize that Luffy can't be pirate king or surpass Roger's legend without stopping both the yonko AND admirals aka if Luffy against he strength to stop a yonko, an admiral still has the ability to stop him.
The admirals alone cannot take down the yonko. Each yonko controls a massive armada of capable fighters while an admiral only gets one battleship and is the only capable combatant. If one admiral is sent out to take a yonko aka an entire empire, he'd get destroyed. That is why it takes the full force of the marines along with capable pirates to balance out the forces of the yonko. The yonko and admirals are pretty much equal but the yonko are far more dangerous. This is why capable allies is of the upmost importance when going to war with an emperor.
Lastly, the fact that we have yet to see the full strength of either a yonko or an admiral as of now and they are always handicapped to keep the MC alive.
As for Mingo, he said he can take care of Fujitora alone...he directly implied the opposite...he said to leave Fuji alone cause that requires some planning and his words don't mean anything because:
-he though Pica could take Fujitora, Luffy and Zoro no problem.
-he thought Diamante could take care of Luffy and Burgess
-he thought Vergo could take care of Luffy and Law
He clearly underestimates his opposition and shat himself when he saw Fuji's power up close. Lastly, the coliseum fighters were all gung ho about taking out Mingo and his gang but against an admiral? They all ran. They even told Luffy, the dude they saw take out Mingo, to run away from Fujitora as he can't stop an admiral.
It is factual and not debatable that the admirals are superior to Luffy and how does what you said change that Mingo & G4 had a hard fought battle? You pretty much enforced what I said so I guess you need to read the manga again as well.
A guy that the admirals can fight and overpowered in MF when both were handicapped. If you think Mingo can tussle with an admiral, you're saying he can do the same to WB.
Ok? As I said before, this doesn't mean Mingo can tussle with an admiral just because he can keep his organs stitched together.
No he wasn't. Fujitora's entire role in Dressrosa was to let the city crumble in order to prevent Mingo's actions from being covered up,. That is blind justice. Fujitora's casual no named gravity had enough force to overpower ZORO, who is a brute. With just raw strength, Zoro, Kinemon, Kanjuro and injured fighters could make the birdcage stop momentarily. Toss in the fact that Fujitra can just life the rubble or create a tunnel, he couldn't easily solved the birdcage problem. Dude showed country sized AoE with his gravity.
I have to say though...wouldn't Mingo kill himself with birdcage? And you assume that birdcage drains his stamina....does controlling stone drain Pica's stamina? Cause we never saw it.
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Rikudou Tobi
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:lol He did do it because he wanted to. He had an option to not stab himself with his own trident, I don't know why you're arguing. He wanted to get on an even plainfield after his sister's interference. He's being fair.
Then that was a typo because if you look above I said "organs" and that he had "internal" wounds
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I getting stabbed in the stomach is damaging your organs just so you know. Doflamingo is not suppose to be dead because people pre-timeskip has had a hole put in their organs before. Even Lucci put a whole in one of Luffy's organs during their fight. So that's not a valid excuse for Doflamingo especially since he stitched it up.
Luffy and Dogtooth still fought with those injuries and it still didn't affect their performance. Even When Doflamingo stitched up his organs it still didn't make his powers any stronger or weaker.
It had nothing to do with his performance. And nobody walked into that fight at full power, even Doflamingo noted that Luffy is weakened too:
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He needed G4 to fight them. I already told you that he can only eat that parts that are not covered in haki.
@bold is headcanon and TankMan is stronger because of his increase of size and haki.
Well wrong, viz doesn't state any of this:
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And Luffy did not eat for 11 hours since fighting is involved.
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Well first off you need to know that I did not say that Cracker has the strongest haki but his Haki is stronger than Doflamingo's. Read what you quoted properly and you'll see.
Because that's a biscuit not Cracker's actual body himself. Cracker's biscuits are known for its powerful defense. Offense wise Cracker's main body is superior stronger hence why Luffy dodge them:
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Look above because your comparing Cracker's main body to his biscuits which is weak.
1. I don't know why you showed me doflamingo using athlete strings because Luffy it did nothing to Luffy and Doflamingo got hit by culverin too
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2. He only hit Gear 4 Luffy twice and it did nothing to him.
Doflamingo wasn't stopping all of his attacks, and Luffy knocked Doflamingo out with 5 hits alone. Against Cracker's biscuits he used more barrages of hits against Cracker than he did with Doflamingo. Majority of the fights was just Luffy smacking Cracker around all over town but for Crcaker, Luffy learned that he can't use BounceMan against a guy who can take G4 attacks via Hard Biscuits and while giving powerful Arms Haki attack through his man body.
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Wow the OP is obviously trolling you all. Dahomomingo cant even beat the yonko first mates but youre all gonna fall for this thread and willingly let him troll you? Lololol
Well, if they both fight with extreme difficulty then the fight could go to any side and I see Doflamingo fighting like that.
Seriously? That is how he won with the help of Law and Gear 4 twice. I doubt that.
False. Doflamingo could avoid gear 2 speed, he could even do that with gear 4th but lacked of raw power and that is why he used awakening. Gear 3 never was sated to be to strong. Bring the scan. In fact, Doflamingo was stopping it casually.
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In fact, Luffy fought Katakuri 9 hours only with gear 2 and 3 and only used twice gear 4. bound man and snake man.
He said gear 2 and 3, not gear 4.
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Mingo cant even beat ben beckman or any of the first bratans of a yonko. Any admiral low/mid diff mingo.
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Luffy actually hit Doflamingo with Gear 2 and he noted that it was fast but there was not enough power behind it:
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, he just punch through the openings of the web.It wasn't for 9 hours but yes, they did fight Dogtooth in base and G2 just like he did Dofy:
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So he does that during his fights with Hody, Cesear Clown, Colosseum combatants, Dofy, Cracker, and Dogtooth.
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Well, we dont know how Akaunu would do it. I doubt Akainu could beat any Yonko by himself, after all Whitebeard out of his prime and yet sick gave him a bad beating. He even didn't fight Shanks. But lets just leave this as he was weakened for an other Yonkou. And when I said an Admiral cant take a Yonkou, I was talking 1 vs 1. Admirals cant beat them alone.
Robin said this power is only granted to an Admiral, yet CP9 also has it thinks to Aokji.
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And no, Yonko > Admiral. There is 4 Admirals in the marines, if they were Yonko Level, then they wont need the Shichibukai since an Admiral can give a fight to a Yonko and the other 3 would beat the commanders with ease while all the other fodder pirates would fight to fodder marines yet we still have the vice admirals who have a level such as Smoker and with them they could take down a Yonko with ease. And if we include the Warlords they this wont be a fight. There is balance of 1 Emperor = Marines + Warlords.
It is not the whole Yonkou = Marines + Warlords since the Emperors dont fight together. And we already saw the MarineFord war, vs only 1 Yonkou it was needed alll the force of Marines and Warlords and that was weakened Whitebeards and without Ace.
And Doflamingo never thought that Pica could take all straw hats, it was Pica that said it. Search the scan. And he never sat down when he saw Fujitora's power, he said he was gonna defeat him once Fujitora wasn't useful for him since Fujitora agreed to take down Straw Hats. And they ran from Fujitora since that was the plan since the beginning. There is full evidence of this.
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It is debatable if we talk about Post time skip since Luffy has not fought them, before the 2 years it is a fact since he was defeated by them multiple times but after the time skip it is debatable since he has not fought them with all his full power.
And you said it is facts, then bring the scans to prove it otherwise it is just headcanon and not demonstrated. Doflamingo said he could take Fujitora with hard difficult and Luff and Law beat him with Hard Difficult. So this might show that Luffy can give a fight to an Admiral already. This proves he is Admiral Level. Even Aokji told Smoker to tell Akainu to move Admirals to stop Doflamingo and that this would be the hardest battle the Akainu ever faced as Fleet Admiral. In fact, Law said that Admiral Class would come after Doflamingo once he quit the Warlord seat, yet Doflamingo said that Law's best plan was to put Kaido fight Doflamingo, he was not even scared of Admirals.
Alone yes, but against all Admiral no. Whitebeard did more than fighting a Admiral and yet we was beating Akainu who defeated Aokji who is said to be the strongest in the Marines.
Your statement is what doesnt make Law at Admiral Level and that is what you are trying to say when Law can cure himself. And it also doesnt mean Admiral would beat him. You just dont bring actual feats to say an Admiral would mid or low difficult him. Aokji froze him and Doflamingo came out of it like nothing happened.
And that was Fujitora's action before Doflamingo set the birdcage. If Fujitora could do that, then why didnt he do that? How can you prove that the stings were not underground also?
And it was not only those you name that stopped for a few seconds the birdcage, it was even Fujitora helping them.
And you think Doflamingo would die with his own technique when he said he was gonna kill everyone to keep his secret? Why would he want to keep his secret if he was gonna die with his own technique?
And we dont know how much stamina does Birdcage waste, but we do know that it was lot of people trying to stop it and that he was continuously controlling it since he made it advance faster to make Luffy come out before the 10 minutes of recovery of his Haki. This common sense.
Just admit it, Doflamingo had in check an Admiral and has portrayal of Admiral level from Aokji, Law, himself said could beat hard difficult Fujitora. Even Sabo fought some time Fujitora when he barely knew to use his Mera Mera no mi fruits powers.
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It's crazy how the anime deciding to fluff that scene has caused so many to think that WB just beat Akainu's ass as opposed to jumping him and still being unable to put him down.
He could not for a multitude of political reasons.
Of course they can. Before WB's illness was affecting him, Aokiji and him were trading equal blows. Admirals have shown power on par with(and even exceeded notable feats from) other Emperors like Big Mom and even Whitebeard himself while at Marineford. There has never been anything indicating that the Emperors are stronger than the Admirals like this.
Why would the Marines want to play on an even playing field with the Yonko? There's still a need for the Shichibukai even with an Admiral being able to beat an Emperor because the Marines are looking for advantages over criminals, not to have a friendly competition with them.
And they decimated the WB pirates. Navy HQ stomped one Emperor and his forces, so it's obvious that the balance of the Three Powers places Navy HQ on par with the force of the Yonko as a collective. Even if the Yonko aren't teaming up against the Marines, it's still the Marines vs all of them.
Luffy and Law needed support from dozens of fighters to ultimately defeat Doflamingo.
Yes he wanted to do it. I know and it was because his sister. No debate here. He did because his sister, not because he wanted to fight evenly. He was still superior than Luffy at this point.
But what part of being an attack to kill a person already is not understandable? Doflamingo was not losing only losing blood internally from one organ, it was all his organs that were destroyed. Doflamingo uses his strings to stitch together his internal organs that have been injured, acting as a rudimentary form of first aid; however, this is only a temporary measure as this does not heal him, just minimizes further damages (this was evidenced during the final stage of his battle with Luffy, when Doflamingo was still suffering some pain of Law's Gamma Knife time after). Gamma Knife, Jet Stamping, Counter shock all hit defenseless Doflamingo, Law didnt even matter if he died since he thought that with his attacks Doflamingo should already be dead.
And I know stabbing your organs damages you. Now, if you think this didnt affect the performance of Doflamingo then you are saying that Law is Bullshit and his attacks are in the level of a mere filler. Luffy acknowledges that Law's attacks are affecting Doflamingo.
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There is no denying this, denying this is just denying a fact and matter if you agreed or no, facts will remain facts like it or not.
Say that again after seeing this:
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After Katakuri stabbed him with his trident, Luffy was getting beated and could not avoid the hits, even Katakuri saw how Luffy lost strength. Yuo might say it was his Sister, but her needle just made possible
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that Luffy stopped.It had nothing to do with his performance. And nobody walked into that fight at full power, even Doflamingo noted that Luffy is weakened too:
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What parts are not covered with Haki? When was this said? And no, Luffy does not need Gear 4 to fight them, he need gear 4 to destroy them. With gear 2 and 3 he could also fight and maybe, this is me, even destroy them with gear 2 and 3 once they have been soften with Nami's rain. It took 3 days for Luffy to recover consciousness after he defeated Doflamingo yet still had damage, but with Cracker, the only hit he got was the cut of his arm and after he won, it took a little nap and then he was receiving a beat up of Sanji. Nami did help Luffy, but that doesnt mean he could beat him without here and that is just saying that Cracker is stronger than Katakuri and that is not true.
Then Elephant Gun would be stronger than Kong Gun since it is bigger. Right? Of course not. Where is it said it wastes more Haki and is stronger? Tank Man cant even walk, cant even give a punch, a kick and you think is stronger? Tank Man is just that, to tank hits and as far doesnt work for anything else. Cracker not perforating him does not mean that tank man gear 4 has stronger Haki, since the only difference of Base Haki and Gear 4th Haki of Luffy is that Gear 4 keeps his rubber properties. It does use more since it is continuously and in almost the whole body. If using just more Haki makes you stronger, then anyone can just use all his haki in a punch and win.
Look at the raw, I could not find a picture, but look at the video of Youtube. It clearly shows the author words there.
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And like I said, Luffy did not use more times Gear 4 in those 11 hours, he did fight, ok, true, but his battle strategy was eat, fight, run, he was not fighting seriously and since he had the biscuits soften, there was no need to use Gear 4 always.
There is no proof he has stronger Haki. Luffy weakness is cuts, it was a sneaky attack and his arm was already stretched therefore thinner. If his armament Haki was stronger, the Biscuits wont have been broken with Kong Gun and Doflamingo should have his bones broken.
Well it is not like he would tank attacks even if they were weaker, I could say the same, Luffy dodged Doflamingo's attacks, the problem is that he didnt make any effective hits just as Cracker after that only hit he did. And there is no guaranty that his main body is stronger than his Biscuits Soldiers, it is true they are more durable but stronger is debatable. But lets say it is true, but as I told you, tank man does not have stronger Haki it is the same Haki. Tank man is just bigger and his body is all most fully covered unlike Bound Man.
Tank Man is just as when he is inflated with air to tank hits and that is true and has the same principle as the scan I already posted, double the attacks power.
And author just says general gear 4 uses a lot of Haki, not only Tank Man or that is uses more.
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The same strength of Haki, but it covers more in size not in power.
If he were stronger he could have fought him and not his biscuits.
I showed that Doflamingo could keep the speed of Gear 4 with his body, but not in raw power. Also, Doflamingo kick did bend Luffy, it was not an effective hit but it also wasnt weak. And once Doflamingo use awakening he hit Luffy several times but they were effective hits. I already posted the scan where you can see the hits, but here are again:
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Hits, not effective since Luffy was dodging, but hits.
Knock off no, send him flying yes. And after awakening Luffy only hitted once Doflamingo while it was Doffy hitting him. And I know that Cracker was using his biscuits for defense, but it is clear Doflamingo can take more hits and that with Cracker he did not even used hald the attacks he used against Doflamingo. He only used Kong Organ and was destroying the biscuits with ease.