Does Jinton or Onmyoudon work on Yata Mirror

[shadowcb]

Jinton < Yata < Onmyoudon IMO personally.

How would atomising work on a spiritual weapon? REGARDLESS. Spiritual weapons in this world would be the result of chakra existing. Hence it IS ninjutsu of some sort. TSB slices it in my eyes.

Whilst the databook is full of hyperbole and is hugely frustrating from a narrative aspect, the fact that it is BZ stating this that makes it pretty concrete. Yata/Totsuka are HYPE devices like Kishi does all the time, just bc of their irrelevancy they're ones that never really show up again and so were never rectified or put in the world of later Shippuden by Kishi. So whilst Zetsu (who IS TSB himself) is impressed by these tools (Likely Indra's) You really do have to take that description of it with a grain of salt when practically applying them to Naruto discussion. How literal you believe the DB to be is up to you.

Exactly. I get so tired of people claiming that is something is true just because manga said so when manga contradicts it's own statements all the time.

 

[ComplexCity]

A source being disproved on multiple occasions does not mean every bit of Material in that source is false.
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Too bad I never said that

That is your error for making a hasty generalization on the Databooks behalf

I asked for proof backing the claim it can defend against any and all attacks seeing as coming from a source that has made hyperbole before has been disproved on numerous occasions seeing how it displayed no feats as doing as such. You are essentially saying that it has S/T properties (I.E defense against Kamui) I would like you to prove such a thing.

When you have a unreliable source in a debate and (an)other source(s) that either argue against it or presents more accurate representation, then the former loses most (if not all) credibility of valid claims unless made valid through reliable sources

when there is tremendous amounts of valid information in it's literal context ranging form jutsu description, ranges to heights and Ages of Shinobi

Irrelevant due to your lack of comprehension of what I was saying

My argument is there is evidence for Yata's abilities that are written in the Databook description on the shield

And there is manga facts as well as DB scans to support Prime Hiruzen being the strongest in the leaf. So by your logic, you're telling me he would have been able to contend with PS and 1000 Hand Buddah despite the lack of feats showcasing so

that would allow it to negate Jinton which is by altering it's properties and if it is able to do this for Omnyoudon as well then it will negate it

Jinton has proved it's feats from the unreliable DB before it was even released in the DB. Not sure why you're so confident that it can do this when the DB has exaggerated and even been wrong about a lot of descriptions in the DB

on the other hand your argument is asking for feats of physical achievements of it being able to do so to validate the propositions I provided which by definition is an argument from ignorance; in more accurate terms, a fallacy.

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Ignorance? For not agreeing with a source that has not been correct about the very thing(s) you deem factual? Sorry I'm not a conformist. The moment Yata live up to it's hype, the quicker I'll be incline to agree. But until then, Yata is just as featless as Prime Hiruzen. I'd like you to see Yata's validity in a serious debate. You can't tell me that everyone in the VS lacks intelligence cause it's already been debated a refuted as valid already

 

[The Necromancer]

Exactly. I get so tired of people claiming that is something is true just because manga said so when manga contradicts it's own statements all the time.

Lol what? The manga is what gives us all of our information. You want people to prove something in the manga without using the manga? That's mental.

Naruto's name is Naruto? Prove it. Manga lies.

 

[ComplexCity]

Lol what? The manga is what gives us all of our information. You want people to prove something in the manga without using the manga? That's mental.

Naruto's name is Naruto? Prove it. Manga lies.

Nice straw man

 

[~Ethereal~]

Yes...

 

[shadowcb]

Lol what? The manga is what gives us all of our information. You want people to prove something in the manga without using the manga? That's mental.

Naruto's name is Naruto? Prove it. Manga lies.

For example the manga states the Yata Mirror can block any attack. Then the manga state one of the seven swordsman sword can't be block.

Im not saying the manga contradicts everything, but it does contradicts itself. So when I hear about jutsu that can block any attack or attack that can't be blocked I look at all the information given to determine if this true. I don't see Yata Mirror being able to block all attacks.

It's not a senjutsu and one of its main characteristics is its ability to change elements. That wouldn't be useful against jinton.

The fact the Yata Mirror disappear after it blocked Kirin makes me believe that was its limit. If it wasn't Yata mirror should have still been there.

 

[kunde]

A rotten old hyperbole. There is literally no need to debate. Anyone who has read manga can comprehend this fact. Totsuka was said to seal anything it touches in db and manga and yet itachi didn't think of sealing Edo nagato's CT instead he resorted to his offensive tech, why? Perhaps because there is a limitation to what it can seal quantity wise. Same with yata, there is a limitation. Itachi never used it again after his battle with sasuke despite the fact it can repel attacks. Onmyoudon is the tech used by Rikudou senjutsu users whose strength far surpasses that of itachi's. As simple as that

 

[ComplexCity]

A rotten old hyperbole. There is literally no need to debate. Anyone who has read manga can comprehend this fact. Totsuka was said to seal anything it touches in db and manga and yet itachi didn't think of sealing Edo nagato's CT instead he resorted to his offensive tech, why? Perhaps because there is a limitation to what it can seal quantity wise. Same with yata, there is a limitation. Itachi never used it again after his battle with sasuke despite the fact it can repel attacks. Onmyoudon is the tech used by Rikudou senjutsu users whose strength far surpasses that of itachi's. As simple as that

I'm sorry the databook disagrees. It can block everything because Kishi said so and has never contradicted or changed anything before :|

 

[kunde]

I'm sorry the databook disagrees. It can block everything because Kishi said so and has never contradicted or changed anything before :|

I feel ya. Madara's PS sword said to be capable of destroying anything in universe yet it only managed to cut few mountains. Latest DB is ridiculous to say the least. DB is factory where Hype gets manufactred lamo. But you know thick headed fanboys always try to defend their claims with DB stats. So it's better to ignore them. Yata hype was literally thrown into gutter when onmyoudon was introduced. It's the most powerful offensive and defensive tech to exist till date, kishi literally was spoonfeeding us that time. It can not only repel any ninjutsu but render it useless at the same time, we have seen it happen.

 

[ComplexCity]

I feel ya. Madara's PS sword said to be capable of destroying anything in universe yet it only managed to cut few mountains. Latest DB is ridiculous to say the least. DB is factory where Hype gets manufactred lamo. But you know thick headed fanboys always try to defend their claims with DB stats. So it's better to ignore them. Yata hype was literally thrown into gutter when onmyoudon was introduced. It's the most powerful offensive and defensive tech to exist till date, kishi literally was spoonfeeding us that time. It can not only repel any ninjutsu but render it useless at the same time, we have seen it happen.

Too bad I'll just ignore any logic presented to me and just stick to my guns instead of using common sense

Finna neg

(Not really gonna neg :lol)

 

[kunde]

Too bad I'll just ignore any logic presented to me and just stick to my guns instead of using common sense

Finna neg

(Not really gonna neg :lol)

Yeah, that's why they are called fanboys lol.

 

[NarutoX28]

All irrelevant unless you can post a scan where temari tries blowing universe and fails, thats how hype will be disproven

Nope.

FRS > Temari's Futon.

FRS can't blow away the entire universe. Blows your shitty argument out the window. :bdpf:

Hahahahaha

how ironic, you are defending yata's hype and lack of feats by citing the lack of feats of another technique.

How amusing

Nope. Yata's Hype is supported through statements within the Manga and the Databook.

Temari's Futon is contradicted through the manga as FRS, a stronger attack, cannot blow away the entire universe. We know this as RSM Naruto's Yoton FRS, a much stronger attack, could barely cover Shinju's Area when all of the energy was released outwards.

 

[ComplexCity]

Nope.

FRS > Temari's Futon.

FRS can't blow away the entire universe. Blows your sh*tty argument out the window. :bdpf:



Nope. Yata's Hype is supported through statements within the Manga and the Databook.

Temari's Futon is contradicted through the manga as FRS, a stronger attack, cannot blow away the entire universe. We know this as RSM Naruto's Yoton FRS, a much stronger attack, could barely cover Shinju's Area when all of the energy was released outwards.

Because statements equal feats, fux logic right?


So I guess Prime Hiruzen babyshakes 1,000 buddah then :bdpf:

 

[NarutoX28]

Because statements equal feats, fux logic right?

If they're uncontradicted and there isn't a reason to disbelieve it, then yes.

So I guess Prime Hiruzen babyshakes 1,000 buddah then :bdpf:

Nope because Prime Hiruzen couldn't handle Kurama. :bdpf:

 

[ComplexCity]

If they're uncontradicted and there isn't a reason to disbelieve it, then yes.




Nope because Prime Hiruzen couldn't handle Kurama. :bdpf:

And you're saying he was displaying his full power? Nice bandwagoning you aren't the first to have said this :bdpf:

Nice reaching but no Yata is featless


Unless statements are uncontradicted? Wtf :sdo: :lol

 

[NarutoX28]

And you're saying he was displaying his full power? Nice bandwagoning you aren't the first to have said this :bdpf:

Are you implying that he was letting Kurama destroy the entire village?

Nice reaching but no Yata is featless

Statements in the manga supports that it does have those feats and they were never contradicted. Keep in mind that Black Zetsu witnessed how Susano'o is a powerful defense (due to tanking Kirin) yet hyped up the Yata Mirror as being something even stronger. It's clear that Yata Mirror is a powerful defense.

Unless statements are uncontradicted? Wtf :sdo: :lol

For example, Prime Hiruzen's hype was contradicted. :sdo:

 

[Aznkidd]

I dont know why people believe on Black zetsu words, it is just a pure stupid creature.
Anyway Jinton can make the shield changes it's attribute according to Jinton attack and then turn Itachi into nothinless. /thread

 

[ComplexCity]

Are you implying that he was letting Kurama destroy the entire village?

I'm not implying anything I just asked you to prove he was using his full power to subjugate Kurama

*Waits for the reversal for lack of proof for said claim*

Statements in the manga supports that it does have those feats and they were never contradicted

Statements being used to gauge a technique are not credible seeing how characters have subjective and often exaggerated points of views. We don't use statements in the manga in a debate, we use feats

Keep in mind that Black Zetsu witnessed how Susano'o is a powerful defense (due to tanking Kirin) yet hyped up the Yata Mirror as being something even stronger

It's clear that Yata Mirror is a powerful defense.

Ok, Yata is still featless against elemental ninjutsu and that's not going to change

For example, Prime Hiruzen's hype was contradicted. :sdo:

In order for this to have been contradicted, you'll have to prove he was using his full power. I'll wait

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm not implying anything I just asked you to prove he was using his full power to subjugate Kurama

*Waits for the reversal for lack of proof for said claim*

There doesn't have to be proof. Hiruzen carries the Will of Fire and has emphasized that he would put his life on the line to protect the village. The fact that he wasn't using his Full Power contradicts Hiruzen's character. I'm not sure why you're using such shitty logic in the first place, but I would drop this point.

Statements being used to gauge a technique are not credible seeing how characters have subjective and often exaggerated points of views. We don't use statements in the manga in a debate, we use feats

That's generally because we've seen most of these techniques in action which even then, I can assure you that some people do use statements to supplement their argument.

We don't have this with Yata Mirror, so we go by it's portrayal in the Manga and the Databook as that's clearly how Kishimoto wanted the reader to envision how powerful Yata Mirror is.

Ok, Yata is still featless against elemental ninjutsu and that's not going to change

Which is why we use statements instead of disregarding the author's portrayal of the technique.

You're using logic such as, "It's featless, therefore I can say it's weak as there's nothing contradicting that," when I can just as easily say that because it's featless, there's nothing proving that it's not invincible.

In order for this to have been contradicted, you'll have to prove he was using his full power. I'll wait

I'll wait for the moment when you apply some common sense. :bdpf:

 

[The Work]

Yata trumps both.

Jinton is fodder because Obito used Kamui in it to save Sasuke

If Onmyoudon is eneffective against Senjutsu then that means it's also ineffective against Yata

:Sparks: