Does Jinton or Onmyoudon work on Yata Mirror

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

If Onmyoudon is eneffective against Senjutsu then that means it's also ineffective against Yata

:Sparks:

How though?

 

[ComplexCity]

Welp the time has come

There doesn't have to be proof

Then I guess you don't how debates work then. Can't say I didn't see this coming though
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Hiruzen carries the Will of Fire and has emphasized that he would put his life on the line to protect the village. The fact that he wasn't using his Full Power contradicts Hiruzen's character

I ask for proof and this is the best you can come up with? Desperation reeks all of this post. First of all

How do you know Hiruzen was in his prime then and what does the will of fire have to do with someone going all out?

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The fact that Tsunade knew Pain was a thread to the village and didn't use the Byakugo shows how dumb this argument is, no need to go into this any longer. Now you have to prove Hiruzen was in his prime at that point and time. I'll wait

I'm not sure why you're using such shitty logic in the first place, but I would drop this point

You're right, we'll drop it considering that it should not have been brought up in the first place

That's generally because we've seen most of these techniques in action which even then, I can assure you that some people do use statements to supplement their argument.

And when they do, they usually back up with manga scans or some type of proof and when they don't have it they're asked to prove it. Seeing as you are incapable of debating I doubt you've even offically debated but that's speculation on my end

We don't have this with Yata Mirror, so we go by it's portrayal in the Manga and the Databook as that's clearly how Kishimoto wanted the reader to envision how powerful Yata Mirror is.

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It's still featless against elemental jutsu. It doesn't matter how much you glorify the hype, it will always be featless

Which is why we use statements instead of disregarding the author's portrayal of the technique.

Statements with no proof = Character's subjectivity

You're using logic such as, "It's featless, therefore I can say it's weak as there's nothing contradicting that," when I can just as easily say that because it's featless, there's nothing proving that it's not invincible

If only I said this. All I did is ask for proof and here you are fabricating things I never said

I'll wait for the moment when you apply some common sense. :bdpf:

Common sense tells me that when an exaggerated claim is made, proof is needed to make it valid. Also it was said that Yata makes you invincible just as it was said Prime Hiruzen was the greatest Shinboi in the leaf

 

[Tyris]

Nah...

 

[Tyris]

Welp the time has come




Then I guess you don't how debates work then. Can't say I didn't see this coming though
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I ask for proof and this is the best you can come up with? Desperation reeks all of this post. First of all

How do you know Hiruzen was in his prime then and what does the will of fire have to do with someone going all out?

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The fact that Tsunade knew Pain was a thread to the village and didn't use the Byakugo shows how dumb this argument is, no need to go into this any longer. Now you have to prove Hiruzen was in his prime at that point and time. I'll wait







You're right, we'll drop it considering that it should not have been brought up in the first place








And when they do, they usually back up with manga scans or some type of proof and when they don't have it they're asked to prove it. Seeing as you are incapable of debating I doubt you've even offically debated but that's speculation on my end





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It's still featless against elemental jutsu. It doesn't matter how much you glorify the hype, it will always be featless






Statements with no proof = Character's subjectivity





If only I said this. All I did is ask for proof and here you are fabricating things I never said







Common sense tells me that when an exaggerated claim is made, proof is needed to make it valid. Also it was said that Yata makes you invincible just as it was said Prime Hiruzen was the greatest Shinboi in the leaf

As Featless as anything>Yata

Until shown in cannon yata is exactly what it it's said to be.

Also hiruzen was most gifted in his era at prime after his senseis died but newer era negdiff him lol also Itachi was literally God-tier since p1...

 

[NarutoX28]

Ah, I forgot about this thread. I shall refute his post shortly then.

 

[ComplexCity]

As Featless as anything>Yata

Until shown in cannon yata is exactly what it it's said to be.

Also hiruzen was most gifted in his era at prime after his senseis died but newer era negdiff him lol also Itachi was literally God-tier since p1...

Sorry that's not what the DB says

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Sorry that's not what the DB says

and curiously enough, the databook is wrong several times.

 

[ComplexCity]

and curiously enough, the databook is wrong several times.

If you read my previous post, you'd see why I said that

 

[NarutoX28]

Then I guess you don't how debates work then. Can't say I didn't see this coming though

And unfortunately, I provided proof. This is just my style of debating.

I ask for proof and this is the best you can come up with? Desperation reeks all of this post. First of all

How do you know Hiruzen was in his prime then and what does the will of fire have to do with someone going all out?

Will of Fire has everything to do with it when it comes to protecting the village at all costs.

Hiruzen inherited the Will of the Village when he attempted to put his life on the line for Tobirama and his comrades to escape and it was even implied that Tobirama felt that Hiruzen was best suited for the Hokage spot as he was the one who would follow the Will of the Leaf and guide the new generation along the right path.

I seriously can't believe you're calling my argument bullshit when everything in the manga points towards Hiruzen being the one who would protect the village at all costs.

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The fact that Tsunade knew Pain was a thread to the village and didn't use the Byakugo shows how dumb this argument is, no need to go into this any longer. Now you have to prove Hiruzen was in his prime at that point and time. I'll wait

No. She knew that she had to protect the entire village using Katsuyu. Using Byakugou would've been irrelevant as each of the Paths were spread out over different sections of the village and Konoha would've suffered even more significant casualties had Tsunade decided to be reckless and use Byakugou just to target one of the Paths as opposed to protecting the entire village with Katsuyu.

Lame attempt to refute my argument btw. It was even revealed that Tsunade poured all of her chakra into her seal to protect the village and was left out of commission for a noticeable period of time (the length of the Kage Summit). Saying that Tsunade didn't do her best is laughable when the manga shows that she exhausted all of her chakra to protect the village.

And when they do, they usually back up with manga scans or some type of proof and when they don't have it they're asked to prove it. Seeing as you are incapable of debating I doubt you've even offically debated but that's speculation on my end

Ah, proof such as manga statements and databook statements? Didn't know Manga statements never classified as manga scans. Tell me more. :bdpf:

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It's still featless against elemental jutsu. It doesn't matter how much you glorify the hype, it will always be featless

So you're basically saying that Kishimoto's opinion doesn't matter despite the fact that he wrote the manga.

Statements with no proof = Character's subjectivity

The Yata Mirror's defense is proven to be powerful through both the Manga and the Databook. It has nothing to do with Character Subjectivity and has more to do with choosing to acknowledge the author's portrayal or not.

If we were to take someone like Hanzo and place him in a Battledome match, would the majority claim he's fodder and thus, disregard him entirely as he's featless, or, would we take into consideration what lengths the author went to to emphasize how powerful Hanzo is? Likely the latter. No one would claim Hanzo is Jonin level when the author's statements contradicts that. Why can't the same apply to Yata Mirror?

If only I said this. All I did is ask for proof and here you are fabricating things I never said

Nope. Your claiming that it's featless, so it's not a powerful defense, but because it's featless, there's no proof that it's not invincible. Fortunately, there are statements in both the manga and databook that suggests it is. What sources do you have to suggest it's not invincible?

That's right,

Absolutely nothing!

Where I'm standing, my opinion holds more merit than yours.

Common sense tells me that when an exaggerated claim is made, proof is needed to make it valid. Also it was said that Yata makes you invincible just as it was said Prime Hiruzen was the greatest Shinboi in the leaf

Exaggerated claims are clearly contradicted such as the case with Prime Hiruzen.

 

[Tyris]

Sorry that's not what the DB says

He's God tier lol manga says it often enough before and after both self inflicted deaths... plus with yata & totsuka DB clearly states gods are fodder before him lol

Could end war singlehandedly 7 different ways lol godly..

Ty & Itachi solos

 

[ComplexCity]

And unfortunately, I provided proof. This is just my style of debating

Uhh.....

There doesn't have to be proof

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Will of Fire has everything to do with it when it comes to protecting the village at all costs.

Hiruzen inherited the Will of the Village when he attempted to put his life on the line for Tobirama and his comrades to escape and it was even implied that Tobirama felt that Hiruzen was best suited for the Hokage spot as he was the one who would follow the Will of the Leaf and guide the new generation along the right path

So that means he was using his full power right? Lovely response

I seriously can't believe you're calling my argument bullshit when everything in the manga points towards Hiruzen being the one who would protect the village at all costs

Naruto has the will of fire, did he summon Gamabunta against Sasuke? It's a yes or no question, no need to derail

No. She knew that she had to protect the entire village using Katsuyu. Using Byakugou would've been irrelevant as each of the Paths were spread out over different sections of the village and Konoha would've suffered even more significant casualties had Tsunade decided to be reckless and use Byakugou just to target one of the Paths as opposed to protecting the entire village with Katsuyu

Irrelevant for reasons explained below

Lame attempt to refute my argument btw. It was even revealed that Tsunade poured all of her chakra into her seal to protect the village and was left out of commission for a noticeable period of time (the length of the Kage Summit). Saying that Tsunade didn't do her best is laughable when the manga shows that she exhausted all of her chakra to protect the village

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And I quote

There doesn't have to be proof. Hiruzen carries the Will of Fire and has emphasized that he would put his life on the line to protect the village. The fact that he wasn't using his Full Power contradicts Hiruzen's character.

Byakugo has shown to be Tsunade's full power yet she did not use it to fight Pain. According to your horrendous logic, when you carry the will of fire, then (it means you're protecting the village your/)you're using (your) full power. So which is it? Because using the seal is not utilizing her full power to protect the village

Ah, proof such as manga statements and databook statements? Didn't know Manga statements never classified as manga scans. Tell me more. :bdpf:

But here you are denying Prime Hiruzen's hype saying it was debunked without even proving he was in his prime. Typical fapboy logic though

So you're basically saying that Kishimoto's opinion doesn't matter despite the fact that he wrote the manga.

Do you enjoy fanfiction cause you're spewing a lot of it on this site. Don't know what makes you think that way seeing as I have not given implication of such thing. I asked you to prove a statement that was made by a fodder character seeing as how the creator of his own series has

a. Contradicted himself several times
b. Wrote an (exaggerated) encyclopedia that has been refuted on several occasions.

The fact that you are applying your fallacy to a statement that cannot even be proven yet deny another statement (Prime Hiruzen) that is from the same source shows that I shouldn't even be debating with you because you do not know how to debate

The Yata Mirror's defense is proven to be powerful through both the Manga and the Databook. It has nothing to do with Character Subjectivity and has more to do with choosing to acknowledge the author's portrayal or not.

Bold 1: Yata has blocked explosion tags and a sword

Bold 2: Since you seem to like the faulty Databook and fodder character statements riddle me this. What wins between Yata and Kabutowari since Kabutowari can penetrate any defense according to the manga? Don't be bias now

Bold 3: Which you mean you acknowledge that Prime Hiruzen is the strongest meaning he can deal with PS and Buddah

If we were to take someone like Hanzo and place him in a Battledome match, would the majority claim he's fodder and thus, disregard him entirely as he's featless, or, would we take into consideration what lengths the author went to to emphasize how powerful Hanzo is? Likely the latter. No one would claim Hanzo is Jonin level when the author's statements contradicts that. Why can't the same apply to Yata Mirror?

Simple, Hanzo has feats, Yata does not

Nope. Your claiming that it's featless, so it's not a powerful defense, but because it's featless

So according to your dumbass logic, saying that something is featless = me saying it's weak? Ok, so since Rinnegan Madara's PS is featless that also means it's weak as well. Gotcha

there's no proof that it's not invincible

Nor is there proof suggesting that it is invincible. However, in a debate it is up to the user making the claim to prove his point. Never made an argument against Yata. All I asked for was feats but all you're giving me is walls of unnecessary text

Fortunately, there are statements in both the manga and databook that suggests it is. What sources do you have to suggest it's not invincible?

There are statements for things that have yet to be proven. Allow me to display why your logic fails

Itachi and Hiruzen hail from the leaf
It was said that Yata makes Itachi invincible. It was also said that Hiruzen was the strongest in the leaf in his Prime. DB and character statements both support both of these statements

Please logically explain to me who wins

That's right,

Absolutely nothing!

Where I'm standing, my opinion holds more merit than yours

This is the average mindset of a fanboy, you exclaiming such a thing doesn't make it true. Seeing as I am still here asking you for scans proving it's invincible and you have yet to do so.

Exaggerated claims are clearly contradicted such as the case with Prime Hiruzen.

I like how you completely just skipped over what I've asked you to prove. Can you prove that Hiruzen was in his prime at the time Kurama attacked Kohona?

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[NarutoX28]

I see many flaws in your argument that not even Naruto would approve, but I shall refute it later. :bdpf:

 

[ComplexCity]

I see many flaws in your argument that not even Naruto would approve, but I shall refute it later. :bdpf:

Like you did the first time right? Not really wasting my time anymore. I'll give you two more trys

He's God tier lol manga says it often enough before and after both self inflicted deaths... plus with yata & totsuka DB clearly states gods are fodder before him lol

Could end war singlehandedly 7 different ways lol godly..

Ty & Itachi solos

Not even gonna entertain you. Good this

 

[Oreo Itachi]

People really trying to discredit Yata's data book description even when it doesn't contradiction the manga like the other empty hype ablties
Im deceased.

It would seem people would do anything to avoid thier fav getting soloed :bdpf:

 

[ComplexCity]

People really trying to discredit Yata's data book description even when it doesn't contradiction the manga like the other empty hype ablties
Im deceased.

It would seem people would do anything to avoid thier fav getting soloed :bdpf:

Itachi is dead. The only thing doing the soloing is AIDS

 

[NarutoX28]

Itachi is dead. The only thing doing the soloing is AIDS

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:bdpf:

 

[ComplexCity]

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:bdpf:

Doesn't change the fact that he's dead :bdpf:

 

[NarutoX28]

Doesn't change the fact that he's dead :bdpf:

Even death can't solo Itachi. :bdpf:

 

[Oreo Itachi]

Itachi is dead. The only thing doing the soloing is AIDS

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