Does EMS count as borrowed powers

[LoZelda101]

Didn't madara say sasuke's eyes had some special unqiue feature that let him better flow into movements. that could've been the "power" sasuke gained. other than that, sasuke only gained new "light" to his eyes. infact i exactly remember the day in forums when sasuke first came out with his EMS, we were hyped to see this new power he gained, but sadly that hasn't came. infact i'd argue sasuke came out weaker if you compare ems sasuke to itachi when they faced sage kabuto. but then again, their duty was to capture kabuto not kill. so maybe he held back.

 

[King Of Pop]

Didn't madara say sasuke's eyes had some special unqiue feature that let him better flow into movements. that could've been the "power" sasuke gained. other than that, sasuke only gained new "light" to his eyes. infact i exactly remember the day in forums when sasuke first came out with his EMS, we were hyped to see this new power he gained, but sadly that hasn't came. infact i'd argue sasuke came out weaker if you compare ems sasuke to itachi when they faced sage kabuto. but then again, their duty was to capture kabuto not kill. so maybe he held back.

he gained perfect soosano alongside legged soosano. so obviously he held back during the kabuto fight

 

[LoZelda101]

he gained perfect soosano alongside legged soosano. so obviously he held back during the kabuto fight

The only thing obvious is your assumptions. he hasn't used perfect susanoo uptil after meeting the sage and didn't use legs until situations with juubito. therefore it's a likely possibility that he didn't even know he could make additional body parts or haven't perfected his ems yet. same reason he barely did anything against killer B with his mangekyou.

 

[King Of Pop]

=101zelda101;20147292]The only thing obvious is your assumptions. he hasn't used perfect susanoo uptil after meeting the sage

when would people like you read the godamn manga properly? *sigh*

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that is perfect soosano

and didn't use legs until situations with juubito. therefore it's a likely possibility that he didn't even know he could make additional body parts or haven't perfected his ems yet. same reason he barely did anything against killer B with his mangekyou.

oor they were in a cave so using legged soosano is pointless as it would serve no purpose seeing as he cant jump? either way my point was to show that he obviously got powerful after the kabuto fight so Ems is not just what you said he could do in your original post

 

[LoZelda101]

when would people like you read the godamn manga properly? *sigh*

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oor they were in a cave so using legged soosano is pointless as it would serve no purpose seeing as he cant jump? either way my point was to show that he obviously got powerful after the kabuto fight so Ems is not just what you said he could do in your original post

1. nice find, didn't really notice it was PS. 2. that wasn't the susanoo i was referring to. 3. taka sasuke was never the kind of guy who held back his power. infact that manga scan you provided, that was late-game against juubito, you know how many times sasuke has came near death prior to that against juubito? why go curse seal leg mode and not curse seal PS mode? that DOESN'T make any sense and it's out of character for sasuke to do. what likely happened is the same i said before, kishi didn't allow sasuke to realize his power until that particular moment when the plot needed it. same crap as with killer B and sasuke's rampage in the kage summit therefore it's not really sasuke himself that is "holding back" rather the plot is holding sasuke back (yes, that's actually a difference) i even made an entire thread about that plot handicap for sasuke's sharingan that has plagued him since PTS

 

[UzumakiRyu]

I mean every Uchiha has in their DNA to awaken Sharingan, Mangekyou Sharigan and Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, so I don't see why EMS would be considered borrowed power. The Uchiha can simply just swap eyes when both Uchiha has Mangekyou Sharingan.

A Uchiha implanting someone eye is no different than getting a hand transplant by losing in war or implanting organs.

My understanding of it is if you're borrowing another Uchiha's eyes then you intend to return them in the future to said owner but since that is hardly ever the case in the NV

Madara's little brother according to him sacrified his eyes to Madara for the greater good of their clan
Obito gave his eye to Kakashi to help him protect Rin
Itachi's best friend gave his only remaining eye to Itachi to keep it safe before Danzo could take it after stealing one already

With all that I would call it Sacrificed power to aid in the causes of those who received the eyes.

Some sacrifices willingly others not

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

1. nice find, didn't really notice it was PS. 2. that wasn't the susanoo i was referring to. 3. taka sasuke was never the kind of guy who held back his power. infact that manga scan you provided, that was late-game against juubito, you know how many times sasuke has came near death prior to that against juubito? why go curse seal leg mode and not curse seal PS mode? that DOESN'T make any sense and it's out of character for sasuke to do. what likely happened is the same i said before, kishi didn't allow sasuke to realize his power until that particular moment when the plot needed it. same crap as with killer B and sasuke's rampage in the kage summit therefore it's not really sasuke himself that is "holding back" rather the plot is holding sasuke back (yes, that's actually a difference) i even made an entire thread about that plot handicap for sasuke's sharingan that has plagued him since PTS

in what way did the plot restrict sasuke during the 5 kage summit?

 

[LoZelda101]

in what way did the plot restrict sasuke during the 5 kage summit?

plot convenience

sasuke said he wanted to test something out at the kage summit (either susanoo or blaze release)


1. So that implies sasuke knew he had susanoo back when he faced killer B. yet sasuke didn't bother activate susanoo before heading out to get the 8tail? or to increase it's development stages before heading to kage summit?

2. When he faced kages he always had the stages in which the enemy always had enough power to stop it. kishi loves to limit sasuke to give the enemy fair game cause he knows if sasuke went all out (complete susanoo/not PS) it'd be enough to actually kill someone.

3. You could argue that sasuke' hatred has to get stronger in order to increase susanoo's stages. but the manga as you progress in the series is clearly obvious that susanoo's development is not bound by sasuke's hatred at all. all it did was determined it's attribute. therefore all the nonsense sasuke went through against the raikage and siblings could've been solved with a simple complete if not armored susanoo (the one he used against Kakashi) instead of almost getting decapitated had not gaara step in the right moment.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

plot convenience

sasuke said he wanted to test something out at the kage summit (either susanoo or blaze release)


1. So that implies sasuke knew he had susanoo back when he faced killer B. yet sasuke didn't bother activate susanoo before heading out to get the 8tail? or to increase it's development stages before heading to kage summit?

2. When he faced kages he always had the stages in which the enemy always had enough power to stop it. kishi loves to limit sasuke to give the enemy fair game cause he knows if sasuke went all out (complete susanoo/not PS) it'd be enough to actually kill someone.

3. You could argue that sasuke' hatred has to get stronger in order to increase susanoo's stages. but the manga as you progress in the series is clearly obvious that susanoo's development is not bound by sasuke's hatred at all. all it did was determined it's attribute. therefore all the nonsense sasuke went through against the raikage and siblings could've been solved with a simple complete if not armored susanoo (the one he used against Kakashi) instead of almost getting decapitated had not gaara step in the right moment.

1. susanoo would not have protected him from the 8 tails...not at all

2. perfect susanoo outright would have been an asspull so I disagree...

3. that makes no sense...there is nothing tying susanoo's developement to it's owner other than chakra...hatred has nothing to do with it unless you think itachi bore hatred (for example) in his own susanoo's developement...all in all none of those are plot restrictions

 

[Jiren]

What do you mean by borrowed power? Like a power that doesn't belong to you? The eyes only belong to one person, so therefore no!