[Discussion] Do You Support The Death Penalty For Rape?

[V h o]

Well solitary confinement takes effect just after 15 days. Leading the criminal beyond repair mentally.

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Silverstein wrote a letter of apology begging to be sent back to the more "violent" prison saying he is loosing his "humanity" after being locked in solitary confinement for over 3 decades coined "America's most isolated being"

I was talking about general prison, solidarity confinement is an entire different issue which I hope is removed. Think it's used as torture in war or whatnot.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Death is too little a punishment for scarring a human's soul forever.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

I would say give them some humiliating punishment ( at least it will make others think out of fear before committing such crimes ) and some Rapists do kill so their wrong doings are not to be revealed for them i think death penalty must be given ..

 

[Avani]

Well making a flawed argument is an feat you would never find from me(I make wrong arguments on purpose sometimes to stir things but a flawed one never.) This is not the case today, it's simple: you just want the guy executed. . Just for interest I do have 280 credits on psychology .

Ciao I have an hour long drive before reaching home :bye:

280 credits for incendiary rhetoric ? I believe you.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So many rape apologists here

 

[DominiqueX]

Do you support sending a fresh man 18 year old college kid to death because he got drunk and violently raped his ''crush''?

Yes, I do. What the fuq is wrong with you? You make it sound as if the person in such a case only drove the "wrong way" down a one-way street. Do you have an idea of what rape is? What rape causes on the victim? Rape scars you for live. Please go check statistics of how many people, not only women, are not able to build intimate relationships anymore or even take their lives because they can't handle what happened to them.

If that "drunk 18 year old college kid" can't control itself, it's not the problem of the law. It's the problem of that "kid". You have to face the consequences if you fuq up. Even if the person was just a stupid bastard who lost control because he didn't know his drinking-limits. Stupidity does not save you from serious consequences.

 

[V h o]

Yes, I do. What the fuq is wrong with you? You make it sound as if the person in such a case only drove the "wrong way" down a one-way street. Do you have an idea of what rape is? What rape causes on the victim? Rape scars you for live. Please go check statistics of how many people, not only women, are not able to build intimate relationships anymore or even take their lives because they can't handle what happened to them.

If that "drunk 18 year old college kid" can't control itself, it's not the problem of the law. It's the problem of that "kid". You have to face the consequences if you fuq up. Even if the person was just a stupid bastard who lost control because he didn't know his drinking-limits. Stupidity does not save you from serious consequences.

What else do you believe deserves death?

 

[ZK]

No, I do not believe that capital punishment is fair or just. The state should not have a mandate to put anyone to death for any reason, save when it is unavoidable in kinetic military operations or when a police officer acts in self defense.
No crime deserves death, not even murder. The state must not sink to the level of those it seeks to rehabilitate. How can we ever teach all of our citizens that murder is wrong if we exercise it as a people and as nation states? We have the resources to rehabilitate these people and we must do so, if not for the sake of their morality then for our own.

 

[DominiqueX]

What else do you believe deserves death?

Murderer, rapists and child molester.

Other violent criminals that didn't completely destroy a life, drug dealer, robbers, tax evaders etc. would be used for medical research or would have to work 24/7 in community service (cleaing public toilets with toothbrushes, removing garbage from streets, parks etc.) after spending a certain amount of time in solitary confinement, if it was me to decide the punishment.

 

[V h o]

Murderer, rapists and child molester.

Other violent criminals that didn't completely destroy a life, drug dealer, robbers, tax evaders etc. would be used for medical research or would have to work 24/7 in community service (cleaing public toilets with toothbrushes, removing garbage from streets, parks etc.) after spending a certain amount of time in solitary confinement, if it was me to decide the punishment.

I see. Interesting outlook

 

[ZK]

Murderer, rapists and child molester.

Other violent criminals that didn't completely destroy a life, drug dealer, robbers, tax evaders etc. would be used for medical research or would have to work 24/7 in community service (cleaing public toilets with toothbrushes, removing garbage from streets, parks etc.) after spending a certain amount of time in solitary confinement, if it was me to decide the punishment.

...tax evaders? The US imprisons more people per capita than any other nation. Its for-profit facilities and harsh average sentences have not, as one would think, created a particularly safe nation. I think it is safe to say that to truly fight crime you need to use preventative measures, not harsh sentences and inhumane treatment of inmates. What you are doing is mindless punishment and such a system will, as research has shown, just create hardened, repeat offenders. You alienate these people from society for the remainder of their life, which is a long time if the average age at which first time offenders are imprisoned is to be believed.
We need to rehabilitate and prevent if we truly want to fight the root of crime, which is social and economic hardship in an overwhelming amount of cases.

Murderers, rapists and child molesters. That is a grim list. Yet by punishing these people with death you are simply driving them further into crime... or, well, not the people you catch, but the ones you don't. Why not murder twice, if one's life is forfeit anyway? If we offer no chance of redemption, no outstretched hand, then we are essentially creating our own worst enemy.
As a society we must be able to see the bigger picture. We must teach that crime is wrong, but we must also offer a legitimate and reasonable alternative to those who have been pushed into a life of crime. We all make choices in our life, and we must all take responsibility for these choices, but we must also take care of those in our society who have lived a live of hardship and offer them a helping hand to the best of our ability.

 

[SSStylish]

tax evaders etc. would be used for medical research

I kek'd.

 

[DominiqueX]

...tax evaders? The US imprisons more people per capita than any other nation. Its for-profit facilities and harsh average sentences have not, as one would think, created a particularly safe nation. I think it is safe to say that to truly fight crime you need to use preventative measures, not harsh sentences and inhumane treatment of inmates. What you are doing is mindless punishment and such a system will, as research has shown, just create hardened, repeat offenders. You alienate these people from society for the remainder of their life, which is a long time if the average age at which first time offenders are imprisoned is to be believed.
We need to rehabilitate and prevent if we truly want to fight the root of crime, which is social and economic hardship in an overwhelming amount of cases.

Murderers, rapists and child molesters. That is a grim list. Yet by punishing these people with death you are simply driving them further into crime... or, well, not the people you catch, but the ones you don't. Why not murder twice, if one's life is forfeit anyway? If we offer no chance of redemption, no outstretched hand, then we are essentially creating our own worst enemy.
As a society we must be able to see the bigger picture. We must teach that crime is wrong, but we must also offer a legitimate and reasonable alternative to those who have been pushed into a life of crime. We all make choices in our life, and we must all take responsibility for these choices, but we must also take care of those in our society who have lived a live of hardship and offer them a helping hand to the best of our ability.

Your point of view is nice and all.. but it does not work as you wish. A big amount of people will always be a monster, no matter how good the conditions are or how good the chances of rehabilitation are. Humanity unfortunately will always be haunted by evil people. These need to be removed as soon as possible and I don't give them a second chance. Ever. Not everyone deserves a second chance, that's just how it is.

No matter how awful the life is, there is never a reason to commit a crime. You ALWAYS have the choice. If you fuq up, then deal with it and face the consequences. You think only about the criminals and their well-being while they didn't care about the well-being of their victims.

My family suffered multiple cases of rape and child abuse. I know exactly how they all feel. I can see with my own eyes that their lives are destroyed, it tears my heart apart. No one seems to care about how the victims feel. How can you call it justice when these monsters are released from custody only a few years later and just continue with being disgusting creatures?

I kek'd.

As usual, you have no idea what I meant. Tax evaders would fit in the latter category, that you left out on purpose. But I'll help you.

[...]or would have to work 24/7 in community service (cleaing public toilets with toothbrushes, removing garbage from streets, parks etc.) after spending a certain amount of time in solitary confinement

I wrote medical research and community service as punishments into one sentence to save time. small-time criminals wouldn't be used for medical research in my scenario.

 

[ZK]

Your point of view is nice and all.. but it does not work as you wish. A big amount of people will always be a monster, no matter how good the conditions are or how good the chances of rehabilitation are. Humanity unfortunately will always be haunted by evil people. These need to be removed as soon as possible and I don't give them a second chance. Ever. Not everyone deserves a second chance, that's just how it is.

No matter how awful the life is, there is never a reason to commit a crime. You ALWAYS have the choice. If you fuq up, then deal with it and face the consequences. You think only about the criminals and their well-being while they didn't care about the well-being of their victims.

My family suffered multiple cases of rape and child abuse. I know exactly how they all feel. I can see with my own eyes that their lives are destroyed, it tears my heart apart. No one seems to care about how the victims feel. How can you call it justice when these monsters are released from custody only a few years later and just continue with being disgusting creatures?

It works as I wish a lot of the time, I would say. In my country of Denmark the jails are nice, inmates have the opportunity to work or go to school, there is therapy and similar. We have hardened criminals, certainly, but they are few and far between because we have addressed one of the root causes of crime; poverty and hopelessness.
The inmates serve their time and are then assisted in the pursuit of a normal, stable life.
The best thing you can do for the victim is make sure the crime does not happen at all, but failing that you can work to assure that it does not happen again. Thus; rehabilitation.
I do not believe that anyone is born evil, and if they are made evil then that evil can be unmade... not that anyone is truly evil. In the US people who committed a crime thirty or forty years ago sit right in jail cells and will remain there until the day they die. I do not believe that this is justice and I do not believe that this is what the victims want. When you treat the criminals like monsters they will act like monsters. Treat them with kindness and they will regret and repent. Show them the impact of their crimes and they will not repeat them.

Everyone deserves a second chance, even if they mess up badly. Sometimes people make the wrong choices, some more than others. If I am a poor man I can choose not to eat, and starve. Not everyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Choice is not so simple. Some people become desperate and desperate people seldom act rationally. If we execute and abandon these people then we create the very thing we should be fighting.

I am sorry to hear that you have suffered, but hopefully you do not wish that suffering on others. Even the perpetrator. We must forgive and help both parties move on with their life.
And we must do our best to prevent people from suffering as you have, not simply punish the offenders after the fact. That only creates more suffering.

 

[DominiqueX]

It works as I wish a lot of the time, I would say. In my country of Denmark the jails are nice, inmates have the opportunity to work or go to school, there is therapy and similar. We have hardened criminals, certainly, but they are few and far between because we have addressed one of the root causes of crime; poverty and hopelessness.
The inmates serve their time and are then assisted in the pursuit of a normal, stable life.
The best thing you can do for the victim is make sure the crime does not happen at all, but failing that you can work to assure that it does not happen again. Thus; rehabilitation.
I do not believe that anyone is born evil, and if they are made evil then that evil can be unmade... not that anyone is truly evil. In the US people who committed a crime thirty or forty years ago sit right in jail cells and will remain there until the day they die. I do not believe that this is justice and I do not believe that this is what the victims want. When you treat the criminals like monsters they will act like monsters. Treat them with kindness and they will regret and repent. Show them the impact of their crimes and they will not repeat them.

Everyone deserves a second chance, even if they mess up badly. Sometimes people make the wrong choices, some more than others. If I am a poor man I can choose not to eat, and starve. Not everyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Choice is not so simple. Some people become desperate and desperate people seldom act rationally. If we execute and abandon these people then we create the very thing we should be fighting.

I am sorry to hear that you have suffered, but hopefully you do not wish that suffering on others. Even the perpetrator. We must forgive and help both parties move on with their life.
And we must do our best to prevent people from suffering as you have, not simply punish the offenders after the fact. That only creates more suffering.

Thank you for sharing your point of view. You have yours and I have mine.
I wish we didn't need harsh consequences and could just live with each other in peace and harmony. But that will never be the case. It didn't happen in 200.000 years of human history and won't change in the next 200.000 years. The human species won't make it this long anyway.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

I'm all for eye for an eye. If you rape someone then you can get a wooden pole up your ass or vagina and die from some std

 

[LoZelda101]

hell no. the amount of females who lie about getting raped.

 

[Michelle]

Do you think or would you support the death penalty being used as a punishment for raping a woman/man? Do you think it is too severe a punishment that should be used only on murderers or do you believe that the death penalty should not be used at all regardless of the crime? It is aruged that rape is worse than murder because has to live with it and relieve the horror for the rest fo her life. Do you guys agree with that?

No. Death is final. No one can repay his sins after dies. And rape is such a bad thing that death is too light to be the punishment. But just being is prison to be fed by the society and live peacefully there is wrong, a hard work should be imposed to the guilty that he/she put all effort in making something useful for the society.

You can say i'm a dreamer... but i'm not the only one

 

[HashiraMadara]

Murderer, rapists and child molester.

Other violent criminals that didn't completely destroy a life, drug dealer, robbers, tax evaders etc. would be used for medical research or would have to work 24/7 in community service (cleaing public toilets with toothbrushes, removing garbage from streets, parks etc.) after spending a certain amount of time in solitary confinement, if it was me to decide the punishment.

If your argument is that rape leaves a soul tortured with suicidal thoughts and Jean Grey there uploaded links of rape victim suicides: Then cyber bulling should get a death sentence as well. Because it leaves the same remark as rape, 14% of victims consider suicide, 7% attempt it, no known numbers of how many do it(for obvious reasons)

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[HashiraMadara]

I was talking about general prison, solidarity confinement is an entire different issue which I hope is removed. Think it's used as torture in war or whatnot.

I still can't comprehend being locked with no human, noise nor darkness contact for over a month :sdo:

I read Thomas Silverstein's declaration boy have I gained respect for Solitary confinement

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Silverstein claims that "no human contact” status is essentially a form of torture reserved for those who kill correctional officers. "When an inmate kills a guard, he must be punished," a Bureau of Prisons official told author Pete Earley. "We can’t execute Silverstein, so we have no choice but to make his life a living hell. Otherwise other inmates will kill guards too. There has to be some supreme punishment. Every convict knows what Silverstein is going through. We want them to realize that if they cross the same line that he did, they will pay a heavy price."[4] Ted Sellers, a former convict who met Silverstein during 25 years spent in prison, said he became a "legend" at Leavenworth. Sellers told BBC News Online, "He is not as bad as they portray. Sure he is dangerous if they push him to the wall. But there were some dirty rotten guards at Marion.... They would purposely screw you around. You are dealing with a person locked up 23 hours a day. Of course he's got a short fuse."[3]

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