Do you believe in GOD

[Renegade87]

Prop ganda. How'd you know we don't know? Perhaps there are people who do know.

Simply because you cant.
Like i said, the universe is to big for the human brain to fully comprehend.
That's that, it is just a simple fact.
And there has never been anyone who went to "heaven" came back and said ohh hey guys i know whats up
again, humans just cant understand or know how the universe came into being or what happens after you die, anyone claiming they do is fooling himself.
you can believe, have theories or even semy proof, the fact remains is that we just cant be sure.

I believe in God because.... if I didn't I would be worried about burning in hell for eternity, for my whole life.

Well if you dont believe in god you also dont have to worry about hell

Thoughts like this is what makes religion dangerous, trying to force people to believe in something cuz otherwise they will go to hell.
It's just wrong and no reason to believe at all, or not a good one at least.
if you only believe in god because your scared to go to hell, dont you think that god will know you only believed in him because of that and will send you to hell anyway?

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Religion was a propaganda for the weak and the poor in order to have hopes for the future

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Sorry Wrong My Bank Account Is Crazy Im Nore Broke Or Weak An i Believe In God??

 

[Renegade87]

Religion was a propaganda for the weak and the poor in order to have hopes for the future

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Sorry Wrong My Bank Account Is Crazy Im Nore Broke Or Weak An i Believe In God??

SHOWOFF!

and is that a 10 dollar bill i see there???
hope it's just one and not all

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

SHOWOFF!

and is that a 10 dollar bill i see there???
hope it's just one and not all

Lol I Know Shhh hehe
Nothing But 1z,5z,10z And 20z

 

[Renegade87]

Lol I Know Shhh hehe
Nothing But 1z,5z,10z And 20z

hahah busted!

Still its a fair amount of money though.

 

[Buu]

I believe in God because.... if I didn't I would be worried about burning in hell for eternity, for my whole life.

I don't know about that. Some say Jimi hendrix, Tupac, Van Halen, and some others are all going to hell. I won't mind going hell, to attend that concert. xD

 

[RokuNR]

Watch what you're saying Roku, because you're raping historyU_U. Using the Greeks as an example is a very BAD move, because their look on the world had a very unique evolution.
Even better, the Greeks were one of the first cultures to cut God/Gods away from the human world. You're example that the phrase "religion was made up to explain natural occurences" was only used by the Greeks is historically complete wrong. At a certain time they indeed had that concept, but from the moment that they came into contact with other cultures(around 600 BC) they threw that vision away.

You also need to take in account that it is not only the "natural phenomenons" that were controlled by the Gods, but everything: economy, politics...the rules of society came from the Gods himself. However the Greeks cut away this interaction and "banish" the Gods from our world. They keep believing in their Gods(the Olympics for example), but they have a world of their own.

Still it remaines a fact that a lot of religions/cultures started by asking themself how things came into being. You say only Greeks believed that, but Maya's, Aztecs, Celts...they all believed in that.

You also need to realise that Christianity and Islam are very young religions, so they had a very different kind of evolution. And they indeed don't say that when there's fire it's the will of God. But what they do say is that once is made by God, everything is made by God.
The Bible indeed doesn't reject science, however religious people who believed in the bible did rejected it.

Mythology is religion in terms of believing. They just believe in other things.

Never try to make a historian mad

I'm not bashing the greeks. But people are saying that all religions used gods to explain natural things, and all I said was that they are using Greek Mythology to generalize about all religions. Everyone knows the greeks were great geniuses especially in their concept of evolution. And I know that they didn't use the gods to explain only natural causes because I studied Greek history for 2 years and their gods were involved in all aspects of life, just as it is in other religions. I'm just saying that they should generalize about religions just because in early times, the ancient Greeks believed that because they couldn't explain it. Using one belief system (which at the time, it was their religion) as an example is generalization. I never said they had bad beliefs. =/

 

[peaceful]

Watch what you're saying Roku, because you're raping historyU_U. Using the Greeks as an example is a very BAD move, because their look on the world had a very unique evolution.
Even better, the Greeks were one of the first cultures to cut God/Gods away from the human world. You're example that the phrase "religion was made up to explain natural occurences" was only used by the Greeks is historically complete wrong. At a certain time they indeed had that concept, but from the moment that they came into contact with other cultures(around 600 BC) they threw that vision away.

You also need to take in account that it is not only the "natural phenomenons" that were controlled by the Gods, but everything: economy, politics...the rules of society came from the Gods himself. However the Greeks cut away this interaction and "banish" the Gods from our world. They keep believing in their Gods(the Olympics for example), but they have a world of their own.

Still it remaines a fact that a lot of religions/cultures started by asking themself how things came into being. You say only Greeks believed that, but Maya's, Aztecs, Celts...they all believed in that.

You also need to realise that Christianity and Islam are very young religions, so they had a very different kind of evolution. And they indeed don't say that when there's fire it's the will of God. But what they do say is that once is made by God, everything is made by God.
The Bible indeed doesn't reject science, however religious people who believed in the bible did rejected it.

Mythology is religion in terms of believing. They just believe in other things.

Never try to make a historian mad

Just a correction. Greeks(i am one) came in contact with other cultures before 600 bC...

 

[RokuNR]

LOL...no... Greeks were not the first ones... And Chriastianity was based on the Greek religion.... And believe me Christianity has much holes and contradictions...

Christianity technically bloomed from Judaism...=/
It came from the Hebrew religion, not Greek. It spread to places like Greece and Rome however, and thus it arrived in a lot of Europe because of the Greek and Roman influences, especially.

 

[RokuNR]

I cant agree, the point is this.
Old religions had a need to explain things that people of those times couldn't understand, fire water, death, love etc.

now with christianity, islam and judaism, they might not need explenations on the these natural occurences, but they still do and "try" to explain how we came to be and what is there after death.
Just because we dont understand or know these things, doesnt justify the notion of a god.
and that's why non believers make this comparison because the need for a god comes from people who cant understand something, whether it's fire, war, death, the afterlife or whatever, it is still a explanation for things we dont know.

It's okay if you don't want to believe in it. Nobody's forcing anyone to become religious or believe in god or anything. We all have different beliefs so we should respect that =/

 

[peaceful]

Christianity technically bloomed from Judaism...=/
It came from the Hebrew religion, not Greek. It spread to places like Greece and Rome however, and thus it arrived in a lot of Europe because of the Greek and Roman influences, especially.

No. It was based on the Hebrew religion but was influenced by Greek religion so as to to convert the europeans. I am not here to educate you but you can by yourself...

 

[RokuNR]

No. It was based on the Hebrew religion but was influenced by Greek religion so as to to convert the europeans. I am not here to educate you but you can by yourself...

Exactly, but you said "Christianity is based on Greek religion". Read your post again O_O

And a little history lesson, the Romans had more influence on European religion

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

Yeah im gonna have to be honest as people we need to help each other and be more kind to each other i seen the video back there someone posted you gotta realize no one perfect and the world is full of corruption and problems im speaking upon believers and non believers we will neva completey know how the world works and i cant force anyone to believe or anything but im sure at one thing alot of times i seen people say i dont believe in god but when there in a tight jam or there death bed they flip like pancakes on a hot stove i be 95 percent% would flip too i know i cant prove god really exist or anything well i think he exist one thing is that as human were all mess up this is something that alot of religious have alot in common but disagree to disagree at the end of the day the world is a disagree to disagree will neva understand each other completely like which came first the chicken or the egg.its or human nature to argue what can you say and i can prove that anyone wanna see??

 

[Yoh]

Exactly, but you said "Christianity is based on Greek religion". Read your post again O_O

And a little history lesson, the Romans had more influence on European religion

woah u know a lot about this dude thats cool O_O

 

[Renegade87]

actually if you ever watched Zeithgeist you would know christianty is based on more then just judaism, it also has infuances of egyptian mythology, hindoesm and lots more.
Especially, jesus his story, the parts of born from a virgin, announced by a bright star, followed by three kings, preacher at the age of 12, died, resurected after 3 days can be found in in a lot more religions, expacially ones that hold the sun in high regard.
im not gonna explain the whole theory on this, but here's the youtube video.
i know i know, not all of there points are to be called sane, but the part where they explained jesus his story with astrology is rock soild.

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[RokuNR]

actually if you ever watched Zeithgeist you would know christianty is based on more then just judaism, it also has infuances of egyptian mythology, hindoesm and lots more.
Especially, jesus his story, the parts of born from a virgin, announced by a bright star, followed by three kings, preacher at the age of 12, died, resurected after 3 days can be found in in a lot more religions, expacially ones that hold the sun in high regard.
im not gonna explain the whole theory on this, but here's the youtube video.
i know i know, not all of there points are to be called sane, but the part where they explained jesus his story with astrology is rock soild.

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If someone asks you what religion it's based on, what is your first reply? You certainly aren't going to list them all are you? It's a simple question. Stop trying to find fault in everything I say because what I said is true, I just didn't elaborate on it because there's no need to other than just state a point.

-_- I said it was based off of Judaism. If you want me to go into mega detail, then just say that. You don't have to make everything I say wrong. I'm just getting to the point. Yes, Christianity is influenced by many other religions, but the bottom line is that it is based mainly on Judaism. If this were something that I wanted to seriously debate on, then I could list all of those other things. But all I was trying to do was make a simple point, so don't try to turn a sentence into an essay just because I didn't write one. =/

 

[Renegade87]

If someone asks you what religion it's based on, what is your first reply? You certainly aren't going to list them all are you? It's a simple question. Stop trying to find fault in everything I say because what I said is true, I just didn't elaborate on it because there's no need to other than just state a point.

-_- I said it was based off of Judaism. If you want me to go into mega detail, then just say that. You don't have to make everything I say wrong. I'm just getting to the point. Yes, Christianity is influenced by many other religions, but the bottom line is that it is based mainly on Judaism. If this were something that I wanted to seriously debate on, then I could list all of those other things. But all I was trying to do was make a simple point, so don't try to turn a sentence into an essay just because I didn't write one. =/

relax dude, i never said you were wrong on judaism being the main influence on christianity, i just added something to your point.
and what essey? i just said i wasnt gonna post the whole theory on jesus his story, hence the youtube link.

and im not trying to find fault in everything you say, i replied to you post regarding the comparison between old mythology and modern religions, trying to explain we or at least I dont think every religous person thinks god is the reason behind every natural occurance.
just that people use god to explain things they cant understand or know.
whether it's something as simple as a fire or deeper things like the creation of the universe or what happens after you die makes no difference, it is still an explanation for something we cant understand.

 

[RokuNR]

relax dude, i never said you were wrong on judaism being the main influence on christianity, i just added something to your point.
and what essey? i just said i wasnt gonna post the whole theory on jesus his story, hence the youtube link.

and im not trying to find fault in everything you say, i replied to you post regarding the comparison between old mythology and modern religions, trying to explain we or at least I dont think every religous person thinks god is the reason behind every natural occurance.
just that people use god to explain things they cant understand or know.
whether it's something as simple as a fire or deeper things like the creation of the universe or what happens after you die makes no difference, it is still an explanation for something we cant understand.

The way you said it is insulting to me because you said, "if you've ever watched.....you would know", and that implies that you think that I have no knowledge of that matter whatsoever, which isn't true. =/

Anyway, I guess you didn't mean it, so its okay.

 

[Caliburn]

Just a correction. Greeks(i am one) came in contact with other cultures before 600 bC...

Yes and no. There had been contacts with other cultures for at least 2000 year, however that were the Minoans and Myceneans and those cultures were not yet Greeks. At the year 1100 BC, both cultures had vanished(first the Minoans, some centuries later the Myceneans) and all the contacts with other cultures came to a halt. It's in the time between 1100 and 600 BC the modern Greek culture came into existence with the Gods like Zeus, Hera, Hermes.... It's in this time period that the famous polis-system was developed and as a result of this system, around 600 BC, the old contacts were once again restored.

Christianity technically bloomed from Judaism...=/
It came from the Hebrew religion, not Greek. It spread to places like Greece and Rome however, and thus it arrived in a lot of Europe because of the Greek and Roman influences, especially.

Technically? Christianity was seen in the time of Jesus as just another branch of Judaism and there were more of those branches. It was never the intention of Jesus to make another religion, especially if you consider that Jesus was a Jew himself.

No. It was based on the Hebrew religion but was influenced by Greek religion so as to to convert the europeans. I am not here to educate you but you can by yourself...

Judaism is pretty much the Hebrew religion. My knowledge about this is a bit foggy, but Hebrews is a sacred language to the Jews.

Exactly, but you said "Christianity is based on Greek religion". Read your post again O_O

And a little history lesson, the Romans had more influence on European religion

You've been discussing about what influenced what. Let me tell christianity has been influenced by a lot of things: Greeks, Romans, Jews, Germans, Celts... actually the christianity we know today looks nothing like the christianity in the time of Jesus.
If you want to have a simple chronology:

-christianity originates from Judaism. It becomes very popular with lowest classes because it has no restrictions on entering(<->Judaism). A lot of Greeks that live in Israel join christianity.

-So the second great influene are indeed the Greeks. Even better, it's because of the Greeks that christianity became seperated from Judaism. It's because it's very important for Jews to cut of the head from there flute(don't know the English word, it's something like circumstanced), but Greeks see this as a violation of the body and refuse this. Because christianity decides that you don't have to do that, they become a religion of there own and are no longer part of Judaism.

-Then comes the Roman period. When Christianity becoms the main religion of the empire, it gets major influences: For the first time there's an official hierarchy, the bible was made etc. You also need to take in account that the Romans itself had a lot of Greek influences.

-In the beginning of the middle ages the church start to convert the barbarians that had overrun the Western Roman Empire. They used a system called "assimilation" for this. It means that they take over elements from the barbarian religions and make them christian. Best examples are the use of old temples and make them into churches and make out of barbarian feasts christian feast(like christmas, according to the bible Jesus was born in march, the 25th december was a very important feast of the Germans).
So as a result a lot of barbarian elements came into christianity.

 

[Renegade87]

The way you said it is insulting to me because you said, "if you've ever watched.....you would know", and that implies that you think that I have no knowledge of that matter whatsoever, which isn't true. =/

Anyway, I guess you didn't mean it, so its okay.

your right, bad choice of words, my apologies.

and i fully respect anyone who believes in god as long as they respect my believes to.
The reason i might come of a little strong regarding religion is because i had more then one bad experiance with family members who tried desperatly to force their believes on me.
as a result i dont see my fathers side of the family no more.

I'll admit that my viewes towards relegious people are heavily tainted by my experiances, so if i ever generalize anyone call me on it, cuz that is never my intention.