If there's no God, then who created the universe? where did mankind ridiculously come from?
This is a stupid question. Why does the universe have to be created? Why does it have to be created by someone? When you posit that the universe was 'created' your choice of language automatically assumes that it was created by someone. This is a logical fallacy.
So any time you posit 'creation' you are also positing a 'creator,' and then an infinite regression can only explain 'who' the creator is. An infinite regression is in fact, a non-answer.
The ones who dont believe in Allah, one God, are lost in the deeepest of the darkness!!! Similar to the one in a cold night , middle of the sea on a low tide, when ur not able to see ur own hand!!!
How are we lost? We don't have false hope that our lives have some external meaning that will be known to us after we die. Instead, we live in such a way that creates meaning here in the real world, within the one live we KNOW we are going to have. Why would anyone spend their life here in search of God, only to die never having lived a life of true meaning here on earth?
I would just like to ask everybody a few questions. Do you know the odds that our planet somehow formed in the perfect spot with the perfect materials to sustain life today? Do you know the odds that mutations occurred in certain organisms at certain times in certain ways to end up the way we are today? Do you know the odds that these mutations would differentiate in such a way to create the diversity of life today? There is a chance that all the air in the room you are in right now would accumulate in one corner of the room leaving a vacuum in the rest. This is highly improbable but still has a higher chance of happening than the odds in my previous questions. This is why I believe in a higher being who created an intelligent design. Who said that this design had to be perfect? or easy for those abiding in it? Just because we have no scientific proof of something existing doesn't mean we have proof of it not existing. The odds are that there is something greater than us. I don't know what it is exactly but I am confident in my relationship with the Christian God. What do I have to lose?
Ahhh, the old 'impossible odds' and 'finely tuned universe' argument. If the universe were finely tuned for life, then why is it that most of the places you go in the universe are not hospitable for life? Most planets are much too hot, much too cold, have no elements that can sustain life, or are ridden with violent weather systems that would instantly kill the kind of life we have here on earth.
That doesn't sound like fine tuning at all, to me. On the flip side, we have witnessed the formations of galaxies and planets and explained it with Einstein's laws of relativity. Regarding the 'odds' of the universe existing in it's current form, let's say we were playing poker. Let's say you were dealt a hand of Ace, Five, Nine, Two, and Jack, with all different suits. It's a terrible hand, worth absolutely nothing aside from Ace high.
However, the odds of you getting that actual hand based on a prediction, is 0.0038476929233231754240157601502139e-7 (1/2,598,960). The universe exists exactly in the way that it does which could generate intelligent life capable of asking these questions. If the universe existed in any other way, we wouldn't be here to tell about it. However unlikely the odds may be, they still don't prove that a God exists. The odds that the shitty poker hand I talked about above being predictably dealt are astronomically small, but it happens, most likely at least once per day, somewhere, on some poker table in the world.
Just because there are small odds of something happening a certain way, doesn't mean that they cannot happen without some divine intervention.
Edit: To people wondering what created the creater. What created the first mass and energy in the universe? If you believe in the findings and theories in science of the beginning of our universe then you believe that some things where just there and have always been.
Science is the observation and explanation of testable and repeatable events in the universe. Under no circumstances does science assume anything without evidence. Science only talks about the beginning of the KNOWN universe, which is everything within the red light shift of the 'big bang.' Everything beyond that red light shift is unknown to us, because we cannot see past it.
In fact, there are a great many things on this side of the red light shift that we don't know. There are several theories being worked on at the moment to try and gain some sort of understanding of our universe, but every single one of them is 100% dependent on evidence.
That is the difference between science and religion. We don't make assertions without evidence to back up our claims, and to that effect, we would not make an assertion that a God exists and that he created the universe. There is no evidence to support that viewpoint, and there is even less evidence to support the notion of a personal god who loves you and cares about you.
If every single person in the world still believed in a god, and has done so for the entirety of human history, we would still be living in the Bronze age where there is a 50% child mortality rate, where life expectancy is age 30, and people die from simple things like child birth and the common cold.
The fact is that because people stopped believing in god, we've advanced as a civilization, creating technology, science, and medicine, improving lives while prolonging life 3x as long as in the Biblical days.
To the people wondering how evolution plays into the way the Bible explains how God created our world. It is said in the Bible that a day to God is much longer to us. The 7 "days" that God created Earth could have been millions of years in our sense of time.
The bible doesn't explain anything. It just says that 'god did it all' in a few days. It also says that god created all plant and animal life as is, and completely disagrees with the theory of evolution. If not for the facts that science has discovered with evolutionary theory and biology, then creationists wouldn't be trying to weasel evolution into the bible.
The fact of the matter is that there are mountains of evidence supporting evolution, and nothing supporting creationism. In fact, there is zero evidence of God himself, and that's a problem for anyone claiming that he exists. Religion has not met it's burden of proof on any supernatural claims being made, and that is why people are atheists. By definition, the word 'faith' is a position of believing something without any evidence, so it's befitting of religion and religious claims.
However, science and the progress of civilization have no need of faith. We observe reality and progress within reality based on the facts and evidence that we accumulate. The computer you are using to post on these forums came from science and technology, and our understanding of physics in reality.
If you had been using this computer during the times of Moses, you would have been stoned to death for witchcraft, because whatever cannot be explained by the bible is obviously magic, and anyone practicing magic is obviously a witch. The bible is rather clear on the punishment for witches.
It's also pro slavery, pro abortion, pro murder, pro war, and pro incest. Based on morality alone, the bible fails miserably. The 613 commandments don't hold a candle to the average 6 yr old who watches Sesame Street.
So sure, you can believe whatever you want to believe. Just keep your religion to yourself and we'll be fine.
