did naruto surpass his father and jiraiya ?

[Narutoftw]

I just couldn't pass that up.

no, i know i woulda sed somethin but you beat me to the punch XD

 

[Big Jutsu]

Sure he hasnt surpassed them yet.
You mean surpassed in terms of what?
I am 100% sure that, for instance, Kakashi will defeat Naruto if they fight. AN jiraya and for sure, fourth hokage!

Surpassed in terms oftechniques? Maybe, in terms of chakra capacities- maybe.
IN terms of speed and battle expirience - not now.

Or " tu surpass" means to take the technique which noone could take before?
And what..even tho u are slow and dont know the other techniques.

sorry dude you are wrong. kakashi would be destroyed. kakashi loses in chakra, speed, power, etc etc. all naruto would have to not give kakashi time to use MS. which, from what we have seen by naruto protecting tsunade, naruto would be able to hit kakashi way too early in the fight for kakashi to have a chance.

the upper tier of the ninjas(pain, sauske(maybe), madara, naruto, minato, jiraiya) are above and beyond the regular ninjas of the villages(kakashi, gai, etc). there is a reason pain is able to... idk.. TAKE ON A WHOLE VILLAGE. he is so far beyond regular shinobi and now naruto is at that level

 

[leafeater]

no, i know i woulda sed somethin but you beat me to the punch XD

It was great, and it will be left there for history to see.

 

[Fanzypantz]

I am 100% sure that, for instance, Kakashi will defeat Naruto if they fight. AN jiraya and for sure, fourth hokage! QUOTE]

if Kakashi and Naruto will have a fight(without holdig back) i will think Naruto actualy will win. u know, Orushumaru(how is it spelled?) had problems fighting Naruto(with just 4 tails). if he goes that far and will go for the kyubii-powers, will Kakshi, J-man or his father have problems.

 

[almasyan]

Sure he hasnt surpassed them yet.
You mean surpassed in terms of what?
I am 100% sure that, for instance, Kakashi will defeat Naruto if they fight. AN jiraya and for sure, fourth hokage!

Surpassed in terms oftechniques? Maybe, in terms of chakra capacities- maybe.
IN terms of speed and battle expirience - not now.

Or " tu surpass" means to take the technique which noone could take before?
And what..even tho u are slow and dont know the other techniques.

sovetuu tebe ne utrujdat' sebia ob'iasneniiami imtut 90% narodu voobshe neadekvatnie)))fannat Porechenokova,ili Misha sobstvennoi personoi?)))

 

[Fanzypantz]

sovetuu tebe ne utrujdat' sebia ob'iasneniiami imtut 90% narodu voobshe neadekvatnie)))fannat Porechenokova,ili Misha sobstvennoi personoi?)))

im new here but im sure NB have a rule about language

 

[squiremarcus]

surpassed means that he would've defeated both of them...
naruto would beat the crap out of thous guys...
multi shadowclone jutsu...sage mode and now that he is in sage mode he can use rassen shuriken...so no doubt about naruto surpassing j man and 4th

um not certainly I mean Jiraya could easily take out hundreds of naruto shadow clones and he has a bunch of more useful jutsu that fuutonrasengan

 

[Miggy69]

i wouldnt say surpass yet. in terms of sage mode yes but if naruto fought j-man he would lose. if he fought the 4th he would lose but he is close

 

[almasyan]

im new here but im sure NB have a rule about language

i think i'm free at choosing language even at NB.that's my right.or NB changes constitutions?anyway welcome to NB

 

[roflcopter]

sovetuu tebe ne utrujdat' sebia ob'iasneniiami imtut 90% narodu voobshe neadekvatnie)))fannat Porechenokova,ili Misha sobstvennoi personoi?)))

Po4emy eto? Ja vse taki poprobyuu))
NU nashet togo to ja... ugadaj



To all: DO you really think Naruto would defeat Kakashi? I think it would be smth like. BOdy flicker - raikiri from behind = naruto dead. Kakashis speed is faster, seals are faster, technqiues are faster, + he's smarter and much more expirienced. Naruto won most of his fight with pure luck, but sems like you dont want to admit it. He's powerfull, i have no doubt about that but...
Naruto is not expirienced and doesnt have tactics. For such a smart guy as Kakashi, with limited chakra but DEADLY techniques, there would be no problem defeating Naruto. Remember his fight vs Kakuzu? He could die, but Kakashi saved him. IF something like this happens in a fight vs Kakashi, there wont be anyone to save him.

Im not talking about tails lol. ITs not Naruto its Kyyubi. Noone can defeat Kyyubi.






Fight vs 4th hokage = FTG + rasengan form behind = gg Naruto. IF not gg naruto = FTg + shuriken from behind, gg Narutos neck. ehtz.

Not sure about the plot if he fights J-man though, but I doubt Naruto would defeat him. Well, i dunno if they didnt new eachother, then maybe Naruto COULD HAVE A chance. But since J-man nows Narutos techniques and abilities better than Naruto does.... no chance naruto.

 

[twistedlink]

I agree with what roflcopter said.

Narutos sage mode is great, but in reality FTG technique was exactly why the 4th was so feared, dead before you even know hes there, even sage mode cant go against that.

To get a nice representation of what FTG is like think back to the original bell training when naruto and kakashi fought and kakashi suddenly appeared behind him and naruto went "wha?" as kakashi dissapeared.

Thats what FTG is like to even the most accomplished ninja, by the time you realise hes behind you, youre dead

 

[almasyan]

Po4emy eto? Ja vse taki poprobyuu))
NU nashet togo to ja... ugadaj



To all: DO you really think Naruto would defeat Kakashi? I think it would be smth like. BOdy flicker - raikiri from behind = naruto dead. Kakashis speed is faster, seals are faster, technqiues are faster, + he's smarter and much more expirienced. Naruto won most of his fight with pure luck, but sems like you dont want to admit it. He's powerfull, i have no doubt about that but...
Naruto is not expirienced and doesnt have tactics. For such a smart guy as Kakashi, with limited chakra but DEADLY techniques, there would be no problem defeating Naruto. Remember his fight vs Kakuzu? He could die, but Kakashi saved him. IF something like this happens in a fight vs Kakashi, there wont be anyone to save him.

Im not talking about tails lol. ITs not Naruto its Kyyubi. Noone can defeat Kyyubi.






Fight vs 4th hokage = FTG + rasengan form behind = gg Naruto. IF not gg naruto = FTg + shuriken from behind, gg Narutos neck. ehtz.

Not sure about the plot if he fights J-man though, but I doubt Naruto would defeat him. Well, i dunno if they didnt new eachother, then maybe Naruto COULD HAVE A chance. But since J-man nows Narutos techniques and abilities better than Naruto does.... no chance naruto.

a na grudi raspishesh'sia???? a esli ruku mne pojmesh'....ia ee otreju i kak orochimaru na polo4ku postavlu,pokazivat' vsem budu!))))
ia vot jdu 4to kakoi-nibud' umnik skajet 4to ti nihera ne prav i naruto vseh nah porvet:naruto:i vse 4to ti napisal huinia potomu...za4em mozgami dumat'??)))

to all who wanna know what we are talking about-i just said i agree with him

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

a na grudi raspishesh'sia???? a esli ruku mne pojmesh'....ia ee otreju i kak orochimaru na polo4ku postavlu,pokazivat' vsem budu!))))
ia vot jdu 4to kakoi-nibud' umnik skajet 4to ti nihera ne prav i naruto vseh nah porvet:naruto:i vse 4to ti napisal huinia potomu...za4em mozgami dumat'??)))

to all who wanna know what we are talking about-i just said i agree with him

ia s taboi saglasen...on kakuitu erundu nesiot posle togo kak zaregistriravalsa na NB.ia pomnu ego pervi privame msg ka mne...."when are you gona provoke russia again?".da 4e on v jizni panemaet.nadeus za eta ban ne dadut
chears guys

 

[UzumakiJake]

These are hard answers to answer as we dont know anything about the fourth.

NAruto did get a surprise attack on one of the peins so thats why he could kill it..


He has surpassed kakashi but i have no idea about j-man and the fourth

 

[roflcopter]

ia s taboi saglasen...on kakuitu erundu nesiot posle togo kak zaregistriravalsa na NB.ia pomnu ego pervi privame msg ka mne...."when are you gona provoke russia again?".da 4e on v jizni panemaet.nadeus za eta ban ne dadut
chears guys

IJa hot' i u4u russkij 10 let, no ponjal 4to skazal Almasyan, a ti, k sozhaleniju net!
4to ja po zizni ponemaju? ( ? a?
So when?


voila mon pasport! BOnjour mon amis, je suis croissant!

I am really sory but they force me to speak spanish!

Flick!*

 

[inkwell88]

Sure he hasnt surpassed them yet.
You mean surpassed in terms of what?
I am 100% sure that, for instance, Kakashi will defeat Naruto if they fight. AN jiraya and for sure, fourth hokage!

Surpassed in terms oftechniques? Maybe, in terms of chakra capacities- maybe.
IN terms of speed and battle expirience - not now.

Or " tu surpass" means to take the technique which noone could take before?
And what..even tho u are slow and dont know the other techniques.

you're high!!! kakashi already said there's nothing left for him to teach naruto, and naruto would sucker him in with a clone whether he used the sharingan or not because kakashi's chakra limit is a real flaw in his abilities... and he has surpasses the 4th and jaraiya because the pa toad said so, he WOULD know seeing as how he's trained the other two... let's not forget that pein has 5 other sets of eyes watching(obviously not able to keep up with naruto's speed) as naruto stops one of peins body dead in it's tracks... and even though he doesn't have tons of battle experience, it's not really a time of war so i think he has plenty for this peaceful era... he would hold his own against all ninja's we've been introduced to if not not own them...

 

[roflcopter]

you're high!!! kakashi already said there's nothing left for him to teach naruto, and naruto would sucker him in with a clone whether he used the sharingan or not because kakashi's chakra limit is a real flaw in his abilities... and he has surpasses the 4th and jaraiya because the pa toad said so, he WOULD know seeing as how he's trained the other two... let's not forget that pein has 5 other sets of eyes watching(obviously not able to keep up with naruto's speed) as naruto stops one of peins body dead in it's tracks... and even though he doesn't have tons of battle experience, it's not really a time of war so i think he has plenty for this peaceful era... he would hold his own against all ninja's we've been introduced to if not not own them...

Nah, it's just you who is a Naruto fan and does not like to think logically. Sure Naruto will defeat Pein or at least force him to leave. Or someone is gonna save Naruto. Otherwise HOW is gonna Konoha survive, everyone dies the end of manga no money KIshimoto?

But you know, maybe u're even right, since manga is written for people like you, who are fans and can't accept anything else but their favorite (or the main protagonist) character pwning everything and everyone.
Then he is really the STRONGEST one, with 3 jutsus >.< but high amounts of chakra.
Kakashi was always saying something like this "You srupassed me Narutpo" " your so cool Naruto" only to make fans hearts beat with incredible speed and think like " WOWWW naruto ur our heroe!!".
But in which cases was Kakashi telling that? WHen Naruto developed R-suriken or when he learned smth rly fast. It coulnd't be other way Naruto is main character and we cant wait for years for him to develope new jutsu, eventhough it's only possible to do it in a long run, Main character is gonna make it in 1 week! ( Naruto, Bleach)

You just keep saying that Naruto owns all, but he's too careless to win against somebody who knows him well.
Assuming his fights were luck. WHen he relied on Kyyubi and help. THe only powerfull opponent he defeated was Kakuzu. ANd that was luck + he was saved + Kakuzu was already damaged. + kakuzu didnt know what Naruto is capable of :/
So thinkone more time please. Dont listen to what frogs say or what do manga characters say cuz fans are supposed to read that!

 

[almasyan]

Nah, it's just you who is a Naruto fan and does not like to think logically. Sure Naruto will defeat Pein or at least force him to leave. Or someone is gonna save Naruto. Otherwise HOW is gonna Konoha survive, everyone dies the end of manga no money KIshimoto?

But you know, maybe u're even right, since manga is written for people like you, who are fans and can't accept anything else but their favorite (or the main protagonist) character pwning everything and everyone.
Then he is really the STRONGEST one, with 3 jutsus >.< but high amounts of chakra.
Kakashi was always saying something like this "You srupassed me Narutpo" " your so cool Naruto" only to make fans hearts beat with incredible speed and think like " WOWWW naruto ur our heroe!!".
But in which cases was Kakashi telling that? WHen Naruto developed R-suriken or when he learned smth rly fast. It coulnd't be other way Naruto is main character and we cant wait for years for him to develope new jutsu, eventhough it's only possible to do it in a long run, Main character is gonna make it in 1 week! ( Naruto, Bleach)

You just keep saying that Naruto owns all, but he's too careless to win against somebody who knows him well.
Assuming his fights were luck. WHen he relied on Kyyubi and help. THe only powerfull opponent he defeated was Kakuzu. ANd that was luck + he was saved + Kakuzu was already damaged. + kakuzu didnt know what Naruto is capable of :/
So thinkone more time please. Dont listen to what frogs say or what do manga characters say cuz fans are supposed to read that!

ia je govoril 4to poiavit'sia takoi umnik=)))))))ahaha)))10 let u4ish?ti ne russkii??otkuda sam togda?=)

 

[almasyan]

ia s taboi saglasen...on kakuitu erundu nesiot posle togo kak zaregistriravalsa na NB.ia pomnu ego pervi privame msg ka mne...."when are you gona provoke russia again?".da 4e on v jizni panemaet.nadeus za eta ban ne dadut
chears guys

zabud' politikuteper' ved' vse horosho

 

[-Quest-]

well, if he beats pein he'll surpass at least one of them..