Did Naruto start the the fight with Pein at 1/3 strength?

[zagubus]

most of us know that when Naruto makes KB his chakra is divided evenly amongst them right? so was he, in essence, fighting at 1/3 power when he started the fight with pein since he had 2 KB on toad mountain? and yeah i know how ridiculous that sounds, Naruto pawning Pein like that at 1/3 strength but i didn't make up the rules for KB... wouldn't this also suggest that as he calls back clones he'd get proportionally stronger? and i may be wrong but isn't the amount of nature chakra he can gather proportionate to his own chakra?

in other words, with 2 clones and naruto - naruto's chakra would be divided 3 ways so he's at 1/3 his chakra level. now that he only has 1 clone he should move up to 1/2 his normal chakra level and there by increasing how much nature chakra his clone can gather. when he uses that last KB he should be at full strength, meaning that he'll have all his chakra.

discuss...

 

[sandshark]

Makes sense to me. I agree.

 

[Miggy69]

yea that makes sense but not really if u know what i mean

 

[Issu]

Pretty much, thats what it means..

 

[TOBI!]

i look at it like this

naruto has a sage mode chakra bar

- full
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- empty


the clones are made only with sage mode chakra so they don't use any of naruto's normal chakra >.> and sage mode takes energy from the surrondings so he basically has 2 free clones snading there

and when teh chakra bar reaches engery he is like
"oh noez no more sage mode must refill energy tank"

and then teh clone dissapears and he regains hiz sage chakra


so he is fighting at full strength

 

[Alucard]

i look at it like this

naruto has a sage mode chakra bar

- full
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- empty


the clones are made only with sage mode chakra so they don't use any of naruto's normal chakra >.> and sage mode takes energy from the surrondings so he basically has 2 free clones snading there

and when teh chakra bar reaches engery he is like
"oh noez no more sage mode must refill energy tank"

and then teh clone dissapears and he regains hiz sage chakra


so he is fighting at full strength

agree with U

 

[zagubus]

i look at it like this

naruto has a sage mode chakra bar

- full
-
-
-
-
- empty


the clones are made only with sage mode chakra so they don't use any of naruto's normal chakra >.> and sage mode takes energy from the surrondings so he basically has 2 free clones snading there

and when teh chakra bar reaches engery he is like
"oh noez no more sage mode must refill energy tank"

and then teh clone dissapears and he regains hiz sage chakra


so he is fighting at full strength

the way i understand it is that what makes gathering nature energy so difficult is that you have to find a balance between your chakra and nature chakra. if the clones only had nature chakra they'd be overwhelmed by it and turn into toads. a delicate balance must be met and kept in order to draw on nautre energy. they wouldn't be able to gather nature chakra unless they had a significant amount of regular chakra of their own. and since they're clones, they get that regular chakra from the source, the real Naruto.

 

[TOBI!]

the way i understand it is that what makes gathering nature energy so difficult is that you have to find a balance between your chakra and nature chakra. if the clones only had nature chakra they'd be overwhelmed by it and turn into toads. a delicate balance must be met and kept in order to draw on nautre energy. they wouldn't be able to gather nature chakra unless they had a significant amount of regular chakra of their own. and since they're clones, they get that regular chakra from the source, the real Naruto.

finding a balance doesn't apply to clones aparently cuz you can store natural energy in them :|

 

[Chakra]

naruto has not used his own chakra yet I don't think. only to make kage bunshins. otherwise his kage bunshins have been collecting natural chakra and naruto has been using that chakra.

 

[zagubus]

finding a balance doesn't apply to clones aparently cuz you can store natural energy in them :|

oh, did it say that some where in the manga?

 

[TOBI!]

oh, did it say that some where in the manga?

did it say otherwise in the manga :|

 

[zagubus]

did it say otherwise in the manga :|

so you're making an assumption...

if KB could gather chakra with out having to balance it with normal chakra then why were they turning into toads when Naruto first started his sage training? remember, pa frog got tired of whacking all of them and said he couldn't keep up... if balance isn't an issue for KB then they wouldn't have started to turn into toads.

 

[TOBI!]

so you're making an assumption...

if KB could gather chakra with out having to balance it with normal chakra then why were they turning into toads when Naruto first started his sage training? remember, pa frog got tired of whacking all of them and said he couldn't keep up... if balance isn't an issue for KB then they wouldn't have started to turn into toads.

well can the clones carry the sage chakra without going into sage mode or turning into a frog then :|

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[Neutrino00]

Yes, but what he is doing is using shadow clones to get the natural energy, and what he is doing is doing nothing but using natural energy for ALL of his jutsus, so his chakra never really goes down. Or something like that.

 

[Toadie]

nah i dont think he is fighting at 1/3 strength cuz... naruto is drawing on his own chakra while in sage mode he only draws on natural chakra and natural chakra is limitless its the power of the universe the power of everything and nothing... it is life.. it is death... its cosmic and planetary... thats why he can keep going into sage mode

 

[TOBI!]

or maybe the sage mode clones are made of none of naruto's own chakra only natrual energy

 

[Toadie]

thats also smart idea he would have to create them after he gathered natural energy and went into sage mode...

 

[konoha s beautiful beast]

human body can gather a sertain amount of natural chakra.there is a limit.so naruto now has x3 sage chakra in fact.he is using not 1/3 but 3/1 of it!

 

[Skye Kaguya]

i look at it like this

naruto has a sage mode chakra bar

- full
-
-
-
-
- empty


the clones are made only with sage mode chakra so they don't use any of naruto's normal chakra >.> and sage mode takes energy from the surrondings so he basically has 2 free clones snading there

and when teh chakra bar reaches engery he is like
"oh noez no more sage mode must refill energy tank"

and then teh clone dissapears and he regains hiz sage chakra


so he is fighting at full strength

I agree with TOBI! here

see he can be serious when he wants to be...

 

[zagubus]

ok 1 :naruto: has 100% of his chakra

he makes 1 shadow clone so there are 2 Narutos with half the chakra
:naruto: 50% :naruto: 50%

if he makes 3 clones then there are 4 narutos at 25% chakra :naruto: 25%, :naruto: 25%,:naruto: 25% :naruto: 25%

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you MUST keep all three types of energy in perfect harmony to use senjutsu which means that EVERY clone MUST have ALL three types of energy, not just nature.

This is further proven from narutos training in

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because if the clones didn't need to worry about balance pa frog wouldn't have to worry about hitting them to stop them from turning into toads. you turn into a toad when you take in too much nature chakra and can't balance it out with spiritual and physical energies.

Naruto started the fight with Pein knowing he had 2 shadow clones at frog mountain. that means his chakra was split up 3 ways and each clone had 1/3 of the originals chakra.

he's not fighting with 3x his chakra he started fighting at 1/3 because he had 2 clones on the mountain. the chakra in the shadow clones stay in the shadow clones until he disperses them. THEN he goes back into sage mode. it would be more accurate to say that he's fighting in sage mode 3 x as long as he normally would but he's not 3x stronger.

NOW he only has 1 clone at frog mountain so he could be fighting at 50% because the balance must be met in order to use senjutsu. he has 50% of his chakra now so he must be able to hold more nature chakra as well to maintain balance.

my point is that i think naruto started the fight at 1/3 power because of the 2 clones at the mountain. now there's 1 clone so he's up to 50%. and when he uses the last clone he will be at 100% of his chakra level and should (according to the manga) be able to use more nature energy which is only limited by how much chakra naruto had to start with for balance purposes.